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It's an unsettling discussion for me (not only does he get clocked as looking like a woman, but in a way that strikes people as wrong), but I have to remind myself that this happens a lot with 3D characters and doesn't necessarily translate to how people are perceived in real life. In almost every MMO I've played I can think of an example of a buff, lantern-jawed, scowling male character model being treated as strikingly feminine, because they were being judged against other 3D character models, most of which were hypermasculine to the point of parody.
My favorite example is World of Warcraft's blood elves, which caught endless grief for being "girly" and indistinguishable from the female models. This is pretty laughable at a glance--the guys complaining about them probably didn't have as many traditionally masculine features as the elves do--but if you're comparing them to other WoW models, most of the males are cube-headed, refrigerator-shaped meat walls with perpetually aggressive posture and expressions. Male blood elves have more delicate features, a smaller waist, thinner legs, longer hair and lashes, and smoother skin, all traits seen more often in the hyperfeminine female character models. A lot of players were genuinely pissed about it and decided blood elves were for fancy fairy princesses only.
To the credit of everyone here, no one seems pissed about it or unreasonable, but the point of my original comment was that in real life it's more common for men to have features that look like Ivar's than, say, Kjaer's, and in real life they don't usually strike people as strange unless they're actively looking for gender cues--which many people are going to be more likely to do when evaluating the appeal of a character model built on a unisex mesh. The examples where people masculinize him look great, but they're also just bumping him from "guy at the bus stop" to "guy on Instagram."
Noticing that a male character looks somewhat feminine or that a female character looks somewhat masculine is not a problem until people personalize it and conflate it with their own experiences or the negative experiences of people they love. But we are talking about 3D figures, not people. If someone wants to extend their fantasy into their real life experience, then that is their own affair. However, shall one person's real life experience extend into someone else's fantasy?
I can understand it being annoying to perceive a character as masculine and have others come along and accuse it of being feminine, because then that calls into question one's own understanding of sexual dimorphic characteristics and so on, and perhaps even indicts the accusers as having a distorted view of masculine features, socialised perhaps by too much video games or superhero movies.
But that's not what's happening here. this character literally reads female for some reason. sorry.
Feminine you say? Super hot I say...
I'm not getting "feminine" at all...
I still don't get all the comments about Ivar supposedly being "feminine"...like he looks like every other brown-haired dude I see in the grocery store...so are we saying every other brown-haired dude on the street is "feminine" too?
EXCELLENT TASTE :V
Yeah, this is where I'm coming from--it's not that he doesn't have the features he has, or that those features aren't common in women, or even that they don't tend to be seen as less masculine features. It's that those aren't really unusual or notable features on real men in real life.
For me, it's the eyebrows. The thinner, groomed brows are placed higher than usual on a cis/AMAB male - which is usually along the superorbital ridge - and have a slight upward cant to them that doesn't follow the ridge. Even Lee Pace's magnificent brows naturally fall along that ridge, and it doesn't make them furrowed or caveman looking.
Paired with Ivar's less pronounced brow bone, high cheekbones, smaller nose, large eyes and lush lashes, it gives off a more feminine structure to me, one that stands out more to me when contrasted with the rugged skin texture, and the whole Viking thing. Did they have threading salons in 10th century Scandanavia?
Of course men can have thinner brows, and if he's got brows like mine, grooming is essential. Men can have any or all of the things I mentioned. Men can be 'pretty'. Noting more feminine attributes is only a problem when you're using it as a pejorative, like calling a tied up hair on a guy a 'man bun'.
The hairline and brows have been a problem for me in the store for some time.
I'm honestly not sure the unisex base does the masculine characters as much good as it does feminine. Recent male figures seem to distort in odd ways I didn't see in male figures for genesis 8.
cool, i've been outside before too.
Feminine- adjective Having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women or girls; woman-like
Easy solution for all the "too feminine/masculine" issues one can have here at the shop: buy or don't buy... no amount of posting here will bring any other "solution" to any real or imagined "problems".
This aspect of the discussions is just going in circles, time to drop it please.
That's never the point of such discussions; it's about giving PAs an idea of what people like / dislike, so they can decided what to do / not do with upcoming releases in case the sales didn't work out as expected or they're actually interested in such things.
I bought only the character, no bundle. Today's 50% off coupon made it affordable. I gave him a cowboy hat and a Santa beard and used MelissaGT's settings adjustments.
I like the wide array of eyebrows, in this, the 1st music video I ever saw. It was in summer of 1977 when it was 1st played but I don't remember the show that it was on. I think mTV came about in the summer of 1981. There were quite a few music videos though beforehand though, which probably gave someone the ideal of a music video only channel.
I also took advantage of the coupon and bought Ivar 9. Here's a first pass with different eyebrows and some changes to his features.
Thanks for the video. I'd heard the song, but never saw it. Whoa (Keanu Reeves Matrix voice).
Nice job. I don't have a G9 Adam's Apple morph yet.
He looks happy and blingy! Thanks for posting this because it helped me see what I was interpreting as feminine may have been an Asiatic mixture (seen in the eyes) like the people of Iceland exhibit, which would make sense---since he's a viking.
he would definitely be great as a G9F morph
Why is he lurking under that tree???
I used a randomizer to add some asymmetry morphs and a few others.
I still think he looks like Elon Musk in many renders lol.