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I cannot think of a problem that I have with 8.1 that was solved by 9. I see zero compelling reasons to switch.
I was praying for USD support, but got V9.
"Abandoned"... such a dramatic way to put it!
Yes, a new generation has come out so there won't be many new products for the older generation anymore.
I say this as someone who's sticking with G8.1: This makes perfect sense, get over it.
How many G3, G2, Genesis, etc products did you see during the G8 days?
Plus, I get the impression that I'm not the only one sticking with G8, and other stores are making G8 content their niche.
Go look there, still plenty of new stuff coming out.
Application development (format suport) and content development (new figure) are not inherently related (there were some extra features in DS to support new features of Genesis 9, soem of which may be useful to people who don't want Genesis 9, but essentially they are separate at the level of your implied trade-off).
Even if G8/8.1 is all done, there is still plenty of back-catalog. And as others have mentioned, Rendo et al has plenty, too.
It was a tough decision (or maybe, not so tough), but I put the complete brakes on with G9. I bought so, so heavily into G8 that there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to head into G9 territory. I hope G8/8.1 doesn't get totally abandoned, but it's pretty much like a child with a new toy, the old one gets left in the trunk after a time - although, I am not so naive not to know that creators go where the money is. Fact is, I'm glad G9 is out, as it has made me look at all the frivilous, and not so frivilous, purchases I have made over the years and finally do something with it all. I've been getting into animation and cinematics for some time now, and Genesis 8 is still prime for that, albeit in other software. I do pop back from time to time just to window shop and see whats going on in Daz Merch World, and all I tend to see is the same utilities, morphs, and expression sets, etc, etc, that came out during the birth of Genesis 8. I have noticed that it has swung even futher towards female dominated merch...males seem to be a mere whisper nowadays.
...the issue with G9 I am running into deals with sales as they now all tend to require a "new release" (sometimes one of that day's "themed" releases which is usually for G9) to unlock discounts on other items and looking through the store, ,ore and more items tagged as "new" are G9 based (save for maybe a prop, vehocle, or environment set now and then). I've even seen Daz+ items for G9.
This has significantly reduced my purchasing here, particularly as prices have gone up and to "break even" on the cost of a "required item", one has to purchase more than one or two sale items.
I've also been passing on Orange banners as well as so far they have been for G9 products. as well.
As these days I'm using Daz models mostly as pose reference dolls with muscle textures being the only things they wear on renders, I'm very likely to keep to G8 for a very long time. For now G9 is not very useful as an anatomy reference.
All that means is, pick your opportunities and only buy the items you like best. If you're saving up for a system build or other larger purchase, that's a sure sign that you'll be spending less for content. At least, that's how it works for me. And that's been my way for about three years now.
I'm tinkering with G9, but don't see the new generation replacing my extensive G8/8.1 library any time soon, Like, for a couple of years at least. For my purposes, G9 is pretty much useless without bend corrective morphs. Once those products come available I will start giving G9 a deeper look. However, I really don't see a huge leap forward with G9 that makes previous content too outdated to use.
Good point. I should have just wrote that I was praying for USD support and didn't get it.
Genesis 8/8.1 had 5 years of products, maybe it's time to move forward ...
I would expect that Daz would focus on the new figure and encourage their artists to make more G9 to support that figure
Meanwhile at both Rosity and Renderhub I see G8/8.1 being supported by numerous vendors, even a few assets usable for both G8 and G9
There are still a lot of bits like environments and shaders that work across the generations so there's still stuff to buy here for those of us who are not embracing G9 yet
...that's 5 years of catching up for me, pretty at decent discounts. .
I didn't jump on 8 when it was first released as it was not as much an advancement as G2 - G3 was (different weight mapping and mesh) to warrant buying everything over again, and them in two years when the next generation comes out, having to do it all yet again (8.1 was even less of an and advancement). Now we have 9, the structure of which has been changed so radically one pretty much will have to buy everything anew (3 and 8 for the most part used the same UV map, base mesh and rigging). I can even use G2 and even G1 morphs/shapes with G8 (using both Generation X and X-Transfer together) which really expands what I refer to as my "gene pool" and it still makes my previous investments valuable. I also have utility content that cleans up clothing fit issues and converts poses,(the latter on the fly) as well.
I have more than enough hair, clothing, and morph content at my disposal when it comes to working with figures and characters to keep me busy for a long time. Save for catching up on more G8 items I need, I have moved more towards purchasing props, environment sets, and vehicles which are not "generation depndent.". My misginving as I mentiond a bit above is that with the current sale structure of having to buy a new product to get a discount and ost everything new is G9 based, getting those discounts is going to be a bit more challenging. At least there's the two Daz+ sales with the "Daz + For A Day" offers flash sales and occasional orange banner offers with no other strings attached save for a coupon code.
Oh and yes, saving up for the system upgrade is also a point, which means keeping content purchases at a minimum.
That is where I'm mostly shopping these days.
Hear, hear, I like the fact that G9's much more content creator-friendly, but the base is too bare-bones, literally, as her bends are severely underdeveloped, I'm gonna stick with G8.1 until KHImage studio comes out with another natural bend morph package for G9!
That doesn't mean that G8.1 is not without fault, as G8.1 was/is horrific for creating limb morphs unlike G8; as G8.1's morphs are asymmetrical, meaning you cannot simply mirror limbs without mirroring the opposing symmetry from the body, so when dialling the new morph, you're also dialling the opposing symmetry with the character!
I'm usually a champion for new figures, but with G9, it is too bare-boned and quite honestly, a bit lazy, to be honest as Daz employs master digital sculptors, so G9's joints could have easily surpassed anything from the previous generations, which is why it's disappointing that daz held back with advancing the figure's bends for a new generation for 'ole noodle-knees, as we're now reverting back to the days of V4, we don't even have flexion morphs that are prominently and accurately represented with G9.
I agree, but for me, G9 is not a step forward.
I rarely do close up portraits, rarely try to cross-fit clothing between genders, and even more rarely use fantasical creatures or humanoids. On the other hand, the noodle joints bother me, and the need for increased sub-d to show details, which leads to increased render times, bothers me even more.
I'll pass on G9 and hope that the eventual G10 + DazStudio5 combo will knock my socks off.
I personally am tired of all of these human Genesis models. I think Genesis 9 should have been a bigger focus on creatures and monsters specifcally.
Got Genesis models out like new cars and Iphones now.
I don't know...make a Genesis model that turns into a car. Do something new. Add new features to Daz Studio.
/shrug
Well, G8 still has a wealth of content that G9 hasnt yet, so artists with a large content library will still continue using the figures There wont be new DAZ Original content, but vendors with DAZ & Renderosity are still making stuff for it
I couldn't agree more with this. Probably the most important thing that keeps me from leaving the DAZ ecosystem altogether are the JCMs that are better than anything I am able to do myself, that deform a G8 so beautifully. G9s noodle-knees are as bad as another app's characters that made me close that app and never open it again. That was the deal-breaker for me, and the things at which G9s are actually marginally better wer just that: marginal, and not compelling enough to get me excited enough to re-design my characters and base them on it. If there were something truly innovative about G9, I would have to consider it, but it just doesn't solve any problem. A solution in search of one, like @wolf359 said...
Which all adds to my personal conviction that G9 is a stop-gap and one of the reasons I will not buy into it. DAZ 5 will be here sooner or later and I would hope and expect some pretty significant technological innovations. If so, a new generation of figures might be expected which take advantage of those innovations. So whether it is Genesis 10 or, as I expect, a whole new series is an open question. All pure speculation which will probably get this post removed as usual but I would suspect that those investing a lot in G9 might want to think about holding back. On the other hand, it never fails to amaze me just how much money some people are willing to pour into the DAZ coffers.
Personally, I really don't like maikng sets for Gen 9. And haven't seen the sales from sets made for Gen 9 as I have for Gen8 counterpart sets I've done. I will say I've had more cash since Gen 9 came out, mainly cause I am not getting the stuff for it other than the base things, and the morph sets. Haven't had the need to get new releases for discounts either, So on one hand the Gen 9 release has saved me quite a bit of money to put into other projects that aren't 3d based.So one plus on my front. With the pose converters I figured that would render older sets I've done useless as a rerelease for Gen9, not the case. It only gets it ball park and still requires quite a bit of tweaking to get the original pose, So basically that is about the easiest part of working with Gen 9 so far is converting ball park poses sets to over 300 products quick so all I have to do is tweak the pose to the original state which still requires quite a bit of time to tweak and resave and rerender tnails, and promos. Still not impressed after working with it since release. And really hate, and I can not stress this enough making promos with Gen 9.It has tacked on much un needed time to renders that I get with Gen8 in half the time with less hassle.So not all content creators find Gen 9 easier to use.
I think the one point that "rah rah G9 is great" camp is missing is that those of us who don't like it are not saying that we're against a new generation or a new figure or it's "G8 or nothing!". Quite the contrary for most of us, I would imagine. I just don't like what G9 has to offer and while it has a couple of good points (separate mouth and eye mesh), the rest of it just looks at best the same as g8, and in most cases worse once you factor in the bends. We just don't see the point in migrating to this figure and would rather wait and see if Daz fixes things for G10.
And really, it's good points could easily be used on G8. I converted the eyes and tear to G8 pretty easily, and that made my G8 even better. If I had time I'd probably tackle the mouth too.
In a nutshell, it's not so much we're super pro G8, we're just not pro G9
Well, I let my Daz+ run out in January after having it active for 5 straight years. I haven't felt a desire to renew in large part due to Genesis 9. And I was one of the people excited about G9! My excitement dropped very quickly after release.
It is swell that some PAs like making stuff for G9, but I am not a PA. I make some things and dig around, but I am not selling assets. I am an end user, the customer. Or was, I guess, without PA+ I doubt I will be buying much of anything here for a long time. Funny enough I have picked up some things from the other stores, though.
What's the deal with Genesis 9 bends anyway?
Each generation we are told that the new thing poses so much better and how amazing and life changing it is and how this is the reason to upgrade. Did somebody skip leg day at the Daz office?
It's nice that G9 is so much easier for PAs to work with, but I am not a millionaire and cannot afford to update all of the Daz assets and third-party assets that I use in my artwork.I am sure that a lot of Daz users are in the same boat. So, I will keep using pre-G9 content, and until I win the lottery, you and the other PAs who are focusing on G9 content won't be getting any money from me :)
Understandable.
But I think some folks are explaining why Daz PA`s wont be getting their G9 business in the near future.
As for me, I`m a working artist and very content with G8/8.1 and will probably never make the move unless something earth shattering comes out from Daz.
If I can continue getting paid using the G8/8.1 assets that I already have, there is no sense for me having to buy new assets and work harder to make G9 do what i`m already doing with G8/8.1
On a side note, a sincere THANK YOU for "Oso Dog Fur For Daz Dog 8". It just may be the most useful asset I have purchased. :)
Ha!
I like g9, I like the proportions and the body shapes much better than the heroic/idealized shaped of previous generations and I think the faces are fantastic and expressions look more natural too me. But some of the bending issues I see look so terrible, promo images from some of the PA's I know make amazing stuff I've seen some egregious bending issues and that completely turned me off of the product. It's also the higher prices, with a super tight budget I pick only my most wanted items that I will absolutely use often but I have to be able to afford them.
Can't believe I just realized this... if G9 is so much easier to work with, then shouldn't G9 figures and items be cheaper?
Err. No. If they're easier to work with, then by definition, they're better. If they're better, they can only be more expensive. Regardless of the reality of the situation. Definitions make life so much less complicated, don't they?
The $4 G9 character price hike to $22.95 is too steep for me, especially given the interesting joint effects we have seen. I admit I was finding the G8 price of $18.95 was already becoming a burden given the current economic climate, to bump it up $4 doesn't help my enthusiasm for purchasing items. The $5 price hike to $29.95 for the very impressive G9 hairs is also too steep for me. I am disappointed. DAZ are perfectly within their rights to offer items at whatever price they choose. I am electing not to buy what I see as lower usability goods at the offered price. When the utility decreases (ie portrait images only or desperately hide joints), I expect a reduced price, and I'm not seeing that.
Regards, Richard.
Hardly, given that Genesis 8/8.1 has had a fairly long run as content creation cycles go. Yes, DAZ3D is highly focused on content for the newest figure, but that's how they have always been. As others have said, there are other stores that still have vendors that are making and selling content for older versions of Genesis, and even the occasional bit for Victoria 4.
I'm also getting the feeling that G9 is a DS4 placeholder until DS5 arrives, whenever that might be.
I'm wondering how many users would happily embrace a new DS iteration if it made old content redundant? If it was something spectacularly better I guess I would. Note the word "spectacularly" because it would need to be a real game-changer if they went down that path.