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Thanks. I only order from CyberPower!
I have the same card as you L'Adair & have had no problems & it is quiet all the time, even at full load but then again I don't really notice noise anyway - noone in my family has complained about noise either so I guess it must be silent - :)
Nice rig. It looks like the case only comes with two fans - you might make a note to consider adding the second front fan and possibly the top fan if/when you add the second gpu card. :-)
I have a liquid cooling system for the CPU.... I don't like top fans, they bring in too much dust. I actually disabled the side fans on my current rig and it's just as cool inside with half the dust!
I hear you on the dust - I need to clean the filters on my case about every 4 months. The top fan should be an exhast, in any case, just to vent heat out the top. I've found, on my system, that when the 1080 and the 980ti both get real busy their fans keep them cool - but my case fans ramp up to near full speed after 10 minutes or so. (I've got three intake in front, two exhaust in the back, and one exhaust in the top).
I wouldn't overclock something used for rendering, unless those renders are only a few minutes; if you are leaving them for hours, then that is a lot of extra strain. And a lot of extra cash in some cases too.
Getting the blower style that pushes air out the back is a good idea.
I never overclock. I've always had my system do weird things when I tried that so I uninstalled the software to make that happen and forgot about it....
How are the rendering temps on the hybrid 1080?
OK, I'm not informed enough to put together a proper render system by myself (this would be my first Windows system). Looking at cybermonday deals, I see http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/VR_Ready_Deal_GTX_1080 -- is this going to keep me happy for a long while? What customizations would be desirable for this? I know, I know, everyone is spec-ing out systems now, but I'm feeling pretty much at sea on this.
I would add an optical drive (dvd/cd read/write), the USB 3 ports, the three-fan upgrade to the case, and go with windows 10 pro But that's just me. :-)
Well, thinking about upgrading my video cards. Not because the rendering is slow, but because of the memory restrictions. My 970 has 4 gig, and 780 Ti has 3. I like to make bigger scenes. Now, the questions:
1. Maxwell vs Pasqual. I know at this point Maxwell is older technology, but I was under the impression that the rendering speed of Iray is dependant on the Cuda cores. Is there any real difference in rendering speeds of 2 machines with the same number of cores, one being Maxwell and the other being Pasqual. If there is a difference, is it significant?
2. 1080 vs 980ti. 2 things that occur to me, tell me if I'm wrong. At the present time, the 1080 is only supported with the Beta Daz 9.3. True? I've seen the thread, there are bugs reported that I don't think I want to deal with. Next, the advantage from my standpoint is the 1080 has 8 gig of Ram, the 980 ti 6. 6 is still more than I'm used to. I may be inclined to go with 980 ti's running with 9.2 as opposed to 1080's running on the beta release, at least for now, and wait until the 9.3 general release to get 1080's.
3. Titan x Maxwell. I know it gets outperformed by other cards, and they are still pricey. I can probably get one used on Ebay for 750. Not cheap, however, at 12 gig of Ram it has more memory than any of the GTX's. I give up a few cores, but can do big scenes that use lots of memory.
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If you want an internal optical drive, though, you'll need to select a different case. Pick a case with obvious slots on the front, select the drive you want, and then go back to the cases. Now when you select a case, there will (probably) be a popup if the case doesn't support the drive. (FYI, my case didn't have the popup to say it didn't have access for an internal optical drive, and instead of getting the "high speed" drive I ordered. they substituted the slim-line external drive, which is a much slower burner. You'll see that drive offered toward the bottom of the page. And I see they finally fixed my case to have the popup!)
My system has a huge case, (EVGA DG-85,) with six fans, 3 intake, 3 outflow, plus two fans for the CPU liquid cooler that attach next to one of the outflow fans. That's 8 fans! And that doesn't count the one on the power supply or the two fans on the 1080. I upgraded to add the Enermax fans, and paid the $9 for the anti-vibration fan mounts. Even when the system is rendering at full tilt, all I hear is low-pitched hum. I don't know where the thermometer is, but I've never seen the case get hotter than 29°C. My case is overkill for what I have in it. But I'll be able to add up to two more 1080s without having to upgrade anything else... Something to think about, if you can swing a few extra dollars for a better case and power supply.
I didn't upgrade the 1080 and what they installed was an MSI Armor. I'm really happy with it.
By the way, before I placed my order, I searched online for any coupons. I found one for 5% off, though I don't believe it's still valid, I recommend you do a search and see if you can find a valid coupon. What you save you can put toward other things you may want to get. (There's always something else you need when you buy a new computer! lol)
And don't forget to select the option for the free $50 AmEx gift card. (I used mine to get a new TrackMarble via New Egg, and used the balance at Rendo.)
True to a point...when crossing generational lines, things get a bit fuzzy. Maxwell cores and Pascal cores are not equivalent, so while there may be fewer cores in the new generation, they will usually do the same or more work than the larger number of older cores. (I say usually, because I don't have the various benchmarks and I'm too lazy to go look them up
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The two biggest problems you won't be dealing with...the older AMD CPU issue and the incorrect CUDA version detection on a Mac. So, what's left is mostly the niggling stuff that may/may not affect you (most of the other bugs are either particular content not working as intended or system/config ones).
Always an option...and it's not like times are going to super long. Most of the time, you'll probably still get a render done in well under an hour (more likely on the less than 20 mins side of things).
Hi there
From my testing and what I've compared few renderers
1. Maxwell GPU vs Pascal.From my testing Titan X vs GTX1080,Titan X is slightly faster and Titan X has been OC like GTX1080,Titan X is running stable 1490MHz and GTX1080 is running stable OC 2055MHz right now and still Titan X is slightly faster
2. GTX10xx series only supported only by new DS Beta,but is supported by Poser 11 and Octane,but still I would expect difference between the Titan X and GTX1080 be higher,I've done few test renders like in IRAY,SuperFly and in Octane,still Titan X is slightly faster in IRAY,in SF there are small difference between two cards and in Octane,where GTX1080 is around 5% faster,this has been tested on our workstation in work
I would check prices and then I would decide,980Ti is still awesome card and if budget allows then I would add this card to yours PC,980Ti is still good card and in many cases and many renderers still is keeping with Titan X,where Titan X wins is 12GB VRAM and Ti can be OC to higher speeds and you will gain a bit performance from my testing there and if its worth against the GTX1080 not sure,GTX1080 is better card which have 8GB VRAM and with 8GB VRAM you shouldn't be limited,but I've done few renders where I resulted to use only Titan X as I've been in 10GB ramge
3. Regarding the Titan X,I've done few tests and still think Titan X is great GPU,performance is still OK and in many renderers Titan X keeping my GTX1080 honest although GTX1080 is clocked as standard lot higher(Titan X SC stock boost clocks are 1356MHz,GTX1080 are 1946Mhz),I've seen few Titan X recently in £400(something around $500USD) range for sale,used,but still they're covered by warranty and I wouldn't be very worried and if budget allows then I would get Titan X slap there EVGA Hybrid AIO and you have awesome card which will clocks and render like dream,just be careful EVGA AIO,they can fail like in my case and due this I'm running Raijintek Morpheus air cooler,agree is massive cooler,but cools my GPU and those temps I've never have previously with EVGA AIO or their stock cooler,stock blower on Titan X is just poor,card runs hot and will thermal throttle
Hope this helps and best of luck there
Thanks,Jura
any workaround?
Not from the user end, as far as I know.
It's not SSE4.1/4.2 that's the issue, it SSSE3 (yes, that's 3 'S's,,,as in Supplemental SSE3), which Intel CPUs had long before AMD ones...
The actual test for IRAY is this image? If yes with an GTX 1070 and Optix active the rendering time is 2:37 minutes
that is a strange result not really consistent with what I've read: the 1080 gtx is above 3mn. your time is on par with 980ti overclocked, with half of the cuda cores...
I'm doubtful
I did that image in 1:50 min.
Don't compare CUDA cores from differnet generations, without considering other factors; it is NOT relaible.
In the same generation, it is a very reliable method of comparison.
Having said that, Pascal Core for Core should be better when comparing to earlier versions, due to improvements in the design, and from what I'm seeing, the ability to run the cards at a higher speed.
Two potential benefits of 10 series cards - more RAM on them, and more power efficiency (allowing cooler cards and less power consumed).
Is the power efficientcy going to be something that is easy to appriciate on a practical basis? As it stands now, my cards don't go over 65 degrees. Also, from the standpoint of Ram, a Maxwell titan x has 12 gig. The 10 series has 8. When the 1080 Ti comes out, it will probably have 10, and will be more expensive than an older Titan x. I sometimes like to have lots of characters and props in a scene, and my speed right now is really good provided I don't go over the card ram. Also, the thing that is killing me more than rendering speed at this point is the time it takes for the scene to load. Why get the newest, fastest card if you're waiting 15-20 min just for the scene to load?
Power efficiency - depends. I have a scene rendering now - on the 1080, it's hitting 50% power consumption; on the 980ti, I'm running about 66%. In real numbers, the 1080 is running 50% of 180 Watts or 90 Watts and the 980ti is doing 66% of 250 Watts or 165 Watts. The 1080 is running at 76 C and the 980ti is at 63 C (the 980 is physically below the 1080 in my case, so some of its heat is migrating up to the 1080).
Scene loading time is a function of cpu speed, pci slot bandwidth, gpu clock speed, and scene complexity (more number of materials and their size than polygon count, as I understand it). As the beta progresses I expect to see improvements in scene loading times.
For me, at this point, that would be the single most important thing Daz could do: somehow make the scene load faster. I think my rig is adequate for loading a scene, and I certainly don't want to upgrade any hardware other than the graphics card at this point. Thing that gets me, is one of the thing that seems really slow is just the loading of a Genesis or G2 figure with Iray shaders applied. Every scene is going to have at least 1 figure in it, and I'm using pretty standard shaders: the Genesis Iray skin converter and Beautiful skins for G2. Some of the made for Iray hair slows things down too. The scenery loads fast, the figures are killing me. I mean, what does it matter if I get my rendering time15 minutes faster if every time the scene switches it's a 20 minute wait?
I don't understand, you mean that my result is good or not?
From what i understand, the poster is comparing CUDA cores from different generations, not reliable. I seem to be saying this a lot. New generation is better than older generation, CORE for CORE - but we still don't know how much.
But I could be misreading.
I'm not comparing CUDA at all. I'm comparing final time results. As a results I'm trying to have a hint about csingle CUDA core efficiency from a generation to the next.
My main concern: 1mn50 with a 1070GTX is too good to be true, considering that 1080GTX does above 3mn... (according to other people....because I only have a MSI OC 980ti wich does 2mn37, and this is quite a very good time for a single card)
No, that's my time, and I'm using 2 cards: a 970 and a 780 ti.
oups my bad, i was speaking about the 2mn37 above with a 1070gtx wich is not consistent to other reasults from othedaz users trying their 1080gtx above 3mn