What features would you like to see appear in dazstudio 5?

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited July 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ..the ability  to select and change the resolution of textures from within the programme rather than having to do it in a 2D app.

    Absolutely. I think somebody is working on this, but it really should be in Daz from the start. 

    Also, for iray to be able split between vram and ram, as well as multiple gpu configurations. It is ridiculous that iray drops to cpu mode when exceeding vram. And iray is super wasteful with memory as it is. Iray should also be able to discard pixels that are not in the picture, like an engine inside a car. I don't know how much control Daz has over that, since, you know, they have to license it from a 3rd party. Just like people are waiting on iray drivers for the 1000 series. Honestly, I really wish Daz could just develop their own physical based renderer, or maybe they could buy one outright so they could have full control over how it works. That would make some Iray people mad, but if it is better than Iray...

    ...yes and yes. It would be nice not to have to shell out a lot of money to get the latest greatest high VRAM GPU for those of us on a tight budget or with older systems. True this would involve having to discuss the matter with Nvidia

    Something like nvidia hairworks, but for Daz. Hair tech in Daz has not changed in years. Its time.

    ...it would be nice to have a hair system that doesn't require translation for use with Iray.

    As to importing, would be nice to have native .lwo and .3ds import.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited July 2016
    Taozen said:

    In D|S3 it works exactly the same as in Windows and every other program I have installed on my computer, scrolling in discrete little <clunk-clunk-clunk>s. Try the same in D|S4, scrolling one wheel click, and the list goes wheeeeeeeeeeee and 90% of the time zooms right past the thing I was looking for. Please don't everyone tell me it's supposed to work like that and everyone else likes it...

    Now that you mention it I hate that.  I spend a lot of time trying to land on what I am trying to land on.

    You can adjust that under Control Panel > Mouse > Wheel tab. Default is 3, try 2 or 1. If you have a special mouse driver you may have to change the setting there.

    Though it might be handy if you could alter the setting from within DS, e.g. if you press ctrl while scrolling it will used an alternative, user defined setting, so you can scroll at another speed when you need it.

    I can't find that 'Control Panel' and the page jumping scroll is too much...

    It's the Control Panel in Windows (I assume Macs have a similar option).

     

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  • AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 793

    I'd like the Scene tab's selection to be fixed. It often selects tons of items my mouse wasn't even near. Not sure why it does that.

    I would go for a lightwave import too. Especially for morphs. I would write one, but not sure if that's possible. I have all the code here for loading objects that I wrote myself. Is there an API for imports? I'd like the texture settings to be updated on export as well.

     

     

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited July 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    Totally agree. I'm about to migrate from win7 to "Ubuntu MATE". The desktop and menu interface is drastically better for a workstation then that want-to-be cell-phone OS.

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited July 2016
    Taozen said:

    In D|S3 it works exactly the same as in Windows and every other program I have installed on my computer, scrolling in discrete little <clunk-clunk-clunk>s. Try the same in D|S4, scrolling one wheel click, and the list goes wheeeeeeeeeeee and 90% of the time zooms right past the thing I was looking for. Please don't everyone tell me it's supposed to work like that and everyone else likes it...

    Now that you mention it I hate that.  I spend a lot of time trying to land on what I am trying to land on.

    You can adjust that under Control Panel > Mouse > Wheel tab. Default is 3, try 2 or 1. If you have a special mouse driver you may have to change the setting there.

    But that isn't the problem — I have D|S3 as well as 4 installed, plus all my other programs, plus Windows itself. ONLY D|S4 has this berserk mouse scroll behaviour, and it's always had it since the very first release of 4.0.

    Changing the setting under Mouse Properties works for me in Windows 10 and DS 4.9.2.70. Can't test it in other Windows versions right now. 

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941

    I'd like the Scene tab's selection to be fixed. It often selects tons of items my mouse wasn't even near. Not sure why it does that.

    Have you check if ClickLock is turned on? You can find the option under Mouse Properties > Buttons. Otherwise you may have a problem with a hanging mouse button. 

    Doubleclicking when you single click is another problem with some mice/trackballs, caused by bad or worn-out microswitches, dirt, or other things. There are long threads about it in the Logitech forums. The M570 trackball is often affected by it. 

     

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,421
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    Nope, you are offline... until you decide to go back online for updates etc...

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,608
    kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    This is a really great Idea but Iray is tied to MS and Daz is into Iray in a big way. If there was a way to get Iray without MS on Linux, then Daz could create a flavor of Unbuntu Daz with Installers for just doing graphics. Now that would be a great system to have for doing 3D. No more guessing if MS going to break something DAZ would be in control of the OS they support. Daz would have to invest into Open Source Linux thou and I don't see that happening. I could be wrong?

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    edited July 2016
    Taozen said:

    I'd like the Scene tab's selection to be fixed. It often selects tons of items my mouse wasn't even near. Not sure why it does that.

    Have you check if ClickLock is turned on? You can find the option under Mouse Properties > Buttons. Otherwise you may have a problem with a hanging mouse button. 

    Doubleclicking when you single click is another problem with some mice/trackballs, caused by bad or worn-out microswitches, dirt, or other things. There are long threads about it in the Logitech forums. The M570 trackball is often affected by it. 

     

    Mine does this also, two different computers, 4.9 and 4.8, two mice, one <1yr, one <1mo, one Logitech, one Sharkk. Happens once or twice per session on either computer.

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  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    As someone who likes 4.8, I can agree with that. And I did try 4.9 on a laptop to see how it looked.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited July 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    This is a really great Idea but Iray is tied to MS and Daz is into Iray in a big way. If there was a way to get Iray without MS on Linux, then Daz could create a flavor of Unbuntu Daz with Installers for just doing graphics. Now that would be a great system to have for doing 3D. No more guessing if MS going to break something DAZ would be in control of the OS they support. Daz would have to invest into Open Source Linux thou and I don't see that happening. I could be wrong?

    ...so it looks like once W7 reaches the end of the line so does Daz.  Pity after all I invested in this, however, MS lost me with W10 and their iron fisted update policy. Crikey they pretty much lost be with W8 and it's "Fisher Price" UI.

    Considering Nvidia is designing the next generation Tesla GPUs for use with Unix based supercomputers, one would think porting Iray to Linux.wouldn't be such a big deal.

    As to linux "flavours", from what I've read, Mint seems to be a better platform.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited July 2016
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    ...as I understand I would have to rework all my characters' skins because of changes to Iray, something I don't look forward to doing.

    Sounds like Daz's "WIn 8".

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited July 2016
    Petercat said:
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

    ...so they changed the UI?  I don't have much issue with the fonts in 4.8 as I have a 24" and 25" displays set up in dual mode.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    DRM removed. Not sure if this has been mentioned. This would add functionality imo.

  • kyoto kid said:
    Petercat said:
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

    ...so they changed the UI?  I don't have much issue with the fonts as I have a 24" and 25" display set up in dual display mode.

    And they nerfed the smart tab search, so no results show up at all unless you type in the full word or put funny characters in the search box. That was a change that had to do with the performance of the search function things, so I'm on the fence with that. I can't spell, so I kind of need that reducing list as I type thing.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    Totally agree. I'm about to migrate from win7 to "Ubuntu MATE". The desktop and menu interface is drastically better for a workstation then that want-to-be cell-phone OS.

    +1, 10, 100, 100000000000000000

     

    kyoto kid said:
    Petercat said:
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

    ...so they changed the UI?  I don't have much issue with the fonts as I have a 24" and 25" display set up in dual display mode.

    And they nerfed the smart tab search, so no results show up at all unless you type in the full word or put funny characters in the search box. That was a change that had to do with the performance of the search function things, so I'm on the fence with that. I can't spell, so I kind of need that reducing list as I type thing.

    A checkbox to allow or restrict how accurate it has to be.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited July 2016
    kyoto kid said:
    Petercat said:
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

    ...so they changed the UI?  I don't have much issue with the fonts as I have a 24" and 25" display set up in dual display mode.

    And they nerfed the smart tab search, so no results show up at all unless you type in the full word or put funny characters in the search box. That was a change that had to do with the performance of the search function things, so I'm on the fence with that. I can't spell, so I kind of need that reducing list as I type thing.

    ...being dyslexic, that certainly is no good for me.

    Bad enough this spell checker here on the forums reeks as it doesn't flag words smaller than 4 characters and has to be turned on every time you write a post.

    ...and sometimes requires several clicks just to get it to open.

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  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    kyoto kid said:
    Petercat said:
    lx said:
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    When 4.9 starts up there is a login box. You can choose to enter your details or not, and there is a tickbox to tell it never to ask again. You can use 4.9 without going near the awful Connect features.

    (I know because I gave in and upgraded it because I was sick of inconsistent Iray shaders, but now I have to deal with a ton of Iray figures designed for 4.8 so it didn't solve anything and the program is uglier and bloated now >.>)

    So what I'd really like to see in 5.0 is the acceptance that 4.9 was a mistake and rather than trying to bandaid fix it, go in a new direction.

    This. 4.9 is ugly and full of oddball, see-one-time glitches that aren't worth a trouble ticket because they don't return. I'm back to using 4.8, despite the slightly slower render times. New is not always best. I didn't see any complaints about the old interface outside of the small fonts, change just for the sake of change? Pffffffftttt...

    ...so they changed the UI?  I don't have much issue with the fonts as I have a 24" and 25" display set up in dual display mode.

    And they nerfed the smart tab search, so no results show up at all unless you type in the full word or put funny characters in the search box. That was a change that had to do with the performance of the search function things, so I'm on the fence with that. I can't spell, so I kind of need that reducing list as I type thing.

    They also made the text section of items in Content Library bigger for some reason, so even if the extra space isn't needed all products take up more space. Having a decent % of blank space in somewhere you want lots of information isn't great.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited July 2016
    Petercat said:
    Taozen said:

    I'd like the Scene tab's selection to be fixed. It often selects tons of items my mouse wasn't even near. Not sure why it does that.

    Have you check if ClickLock is turned on? You can find the option under Mouse Properties > Buttons. Otherwise you may have a problem with a hanging mouse button. 

    Doubleclicking when you single click is another problem with some mice/trackballs, caused by bad or worn-out microswitches, dirt, or other things. There are long threads about it in the Logitech forums. The M570 trackball is often affected by it. 

     

    Mine does this also, two different computers, 4.9 and 4.8, two mice, one <1yr, one <1mo, one Logitech, one Sharkk. Happens once or twice per session on either computer.

    The Scene tab thing or mouse doubleclick?

    I've written a small app that can test for double clicks to see if it's affected by how you push the buttons, it does seem to matter as far as I can see, at least with the M570. Especially releasing the button slowly seems to trigger it. There have been different suggestions in the Logitech forum for how to fix it, including replacing the microswitches, I'm going to try some of them to see if it helps. 

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  • macleanmaclean Posts: 2,438
    maclean said:
    maclean said:

    For the love of all that is good and right, can we please make it so that Daz Studio remembers our last settings and have it stop resetting the HDRI and other settings? Unless there is a way to do that already? If so please enlighten this Daz Studio newbie! :D I'm getting tired of having to put my settings back the way I like them every time I load Daz Studio. 

    The only way I know of doing this is to save your scene and have it load as the default. (It can be an empty scene). You can do that in Preferences> Startup> Load Scene

    But I agree DS should be able to remember the last settings. I don't use the default dome and I have a toolbar button which I use to apply my own settings every time I open DS. But I can't get rid of the damned default dome texture - DTHDR Ruins - which always loads and sits in my texture list, unused and unwanted.

    Render Settings presets wil store the HDRI and many other settings. Backdrop settings require separate handling though, a sceen is needed to get both.

    The toolbar button I mentioned is a Render Preset, but that doesn't stop DS loading with the default DTHDR Ruins texture and all its default settings. Unless you're saying I should preload an empty scene with those render settings? I know I can do that, but for various reasons, I don't want to. I frequently have to switch between Iray and 3DL, so it's easier just to use toolbar presets.

     

    You could set up a render preset with your preferred 3DL settings and a second with your preferred Iray settings. Right click on each and set custom action. They will then be in a dropdown for you.

    Yes, Spooky. That's exactly what I've done. Except I put the custom actions on a toolbar and made icons for them rather than using the dropdown.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited July 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    This is a really great Idea but Iray is tied to MS and Daz is into Iray in a big way. If there was a way to get Iray without MS on Linux, then Daz could create a flavor of Unbuntu Daz with Installers for just doing graphics. Now that would be a great system to have for doing 3D. No more guessing if MS going to break something DAZ would be in control of the OS they support. Daz would have to invest into Open Source Linux thou and I don't see that happening. I could be wrong?

    Wrong.  Iray is for Linux as well: https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk  Iray server is recommended for Linux.

    http://www.gpurendering.com/hardware/nvidiaIrayVca.html

    Kendall

    Post edited by Kendall Sears on
  • kyoto kid said:

    ...@ mork, Totally agree on a Linux version.  As Win7 is approaching it's EOL and Apple has shifted to AMD GPUs her needs to be another option to Win10.

    This is a really great Idea but Iray is tied to MS and Daz is into Iray in a big way. If there was a way to get Iray without MS on Linux, then Daz could create a flavor of Unbuntu Daz with Installers for just doing graphics. Now that would be a great system to have for doing 3D. No more guessing if MS going to break something DAZ would be in control of the OS they support. Daz would have to invest into Open Source Linux thou and I don't see that happening. I could be wrong?

    Wrong.  Iray is for Linux as well: https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk  Iray server is recommended for Linux.

    http://www.gpurendering.com/hardware/nvidiaIrayVca.html

    Kendall

    I think a lot of folks mix up the Iray stuff with other, game focused things that are tied to DirectX.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    kyoto kid said:

    A way to turn connect completly and permanetly off so I don't have to tell it no I don't want to connect to the bloody cloud

    Check "work offline" and "don't show me this again" should do the trick, unless you wish to turn it back on. 

    ..so when 4.9 starts up you are also online?

    No. When you check work offline and don't show me this again, it will skip that dialog and work offline. You can turn it back on in preferences, if you later change your mind. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited July 2016

    QT compiles to LINUX too if I remember right, I remember helping another developer compile it to Solaris, of all things, 11 years ago. 

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited July 2016

    QT compiles to LINUX too if I remember right, I remember helping another developer compile it to Solaris, of all things, 11 years ago. 

    Qt started on Linux.  It is the basis for the KDE Desktop environment.

    Kendall

    Post edited by Kendall Sears on
  • BIGGER TYPE that people can actually read.................

  • QT compiles to LINUX too if I remember right, I remember helping another developer compile it to Solaris, of all things, 11 years ago. 

    Qt started on Linux.  It is the basis for the KDE Desktop environment.

    Kendall

    And there was a big blowup over the licensing for it at the time, as I recall; something about the license not being OSI approved or some such thing.

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