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One thing I was disappointed about was there was not an individual morph for the ears like there was for the Genesis 3 product Jesse from M3D.
However, the head morphs for G8M/G8F from Rarestone have those morphs and alot of other nuances head morphs. Those are two really excellent products.
EmmaAndJordi now have a set of head morphs that all more finely detailed but I haven't bought them to try them yet.
Omg yes! The JCMs you put into your characters are *amazing*! Your shapes are worth those by themselves.
The ear movement morph in the previous product was a last minute addition that I didn't intend for the original product. Someone had mentioned that the ears on the base head was too close so rather than redo all the head morphs I added the ear morph. The G8M set doesn't have this issue so I didn't add it in. However, the product is still unique shapes with the jcms for bending, the ear movement morph was out of place, and as you said others had already put a morph out. I put feet morphs in as a better replacement. Also, I didn't want to just repeat something just to put it back in.. even the anatomy morphs were redone including the HD ones.
I do a lot of pinup type art and "other things" that are a little more risque. I buy at least one male and female Pro Bundle per generation to get the DAZ elements. Other than that, I only buy pro bnundles or starter bundles if ai need the aditional items. I also have multiple "aftermerket?" male and female gens as different situations need different gens or none at all depending on the level of nudity needed in the render. Impatinetly waiting on Male M3dia's products to go back on sale so I can fill some holes in my male model collection.
Good Jerusalem (my grandmothers euphemism instead of cursing), ANOTHER FLASH SALE! Why do they torture me like this? Oh the agony, the agony!
On a sort of related note, if you're a fan of classical art, while there's a lot of nudity, the ladies' downstairs tends to be either conveniently obscured or a hairless... uh opening-less triangle pretty much like the daz ladies sans anatomical elements.
Now, obviously, for men they couldn't do away with the form altogether, but you might notice, if you are a fan of classical art, that their... elements are of a rather different size than what modern depictions of male beauty might have
Naturally this is only the case until about halfway through the 19th century when a few artistic movements started having some fun (I would totally stick a copy of L'Origine du monde in my dining room), athough it didn't become widely acceptable in polite society until the early 20th. Naturally, there are the occasional exceptions. Durer, for instance, has a nude self portrait with much less classical proportions, but he also has a self portait of himself as Jesus, so, ya know... And also there is plenty of low art depictions of more generous anatomical proportions (although still not much even here of female anatomy, which if you think about it is sort of weird)
Also the historical takes on when nudity in art is acceptable makes any modern debate look comparatively reasonable: Completley nude Nymphs all gathered around a Satyr in the woods? A OK. Society wife portrait with one of the straps on her dress fallen down? Oh the humanity! How dare you.
Well, and here I am stil lthinking that I wrote exactly that...
The rest is still nice I was just wondering why you dropped the ears.
One other point - not everybody's nethers look the same, and that's especially true of extreme body types, and unless a vedor has taken extra time to add custom morphs to the DAZ gens, like the ones that DeepSea includes with the popular George figures, there's a "they all look alike" syndrome that can occur if you're only using the DAZ gens.
In terms of overall quality, I will allow that the DAZ gens for G3M and G8M are a bit more realistic than any of the third party solutions, but the latter are a bit more... er... dramtic. On the other hand, the female gens for G3F and G8F by 3Fleetwolf and Meipe edge out the DAZ versions, especially since the third party products employ some rather creative scripts to automatically apply matching textures even when the origaonl product doesn't include them.
There's very few PAs that touch the male gens; I'm probably the only one that puts 1 or more custom morphs in each set. Deepsea has that one big one, *but* just about every set I make has variation in the glans, shaft, plus any corrections to the uncircumcised morph since that morph is HD so it can only be corrected with products in the DAZ store.
I bought Dalton HD....great job Male-M3dia!
Having a library of Male-M3dia morphs may be more expensive than a single third party anatomical forward boy tool. However, I think you get the best blend of realism and drama that way. Any fan of boy parts should try at least one product with the HD morphs, whether they are from Male-M3dia or from the George figures.
An "Adult" section would be really helpful (not a full-on porn site, but pinup-type shots would help a ton).
Even a link to an illustrative image of a ventral-side male anatomical parts image would probably get my post nuked, so I am trying to be super careful (*giggles*).
Thanks! Also M3D Jessica has a genital crease morph that works with swimsuits as well (didn't do any gens morphs because there people that would do a way job at it than I would)
From time to time I post images on my deviantart page since I couldn't link it from the product page. It had images from M3D Jesse of the morphs, though with life in the way I haven't put any new images up.
So how to you get to the "Anatomical Elements" for Gen 8? The new DAZ has me a little disoriented.
Thanks
The only way to get them is to buy the Pro Bundle for one of the adult characters.
Not sure I understand the question since it was answered on the first page of this thread. You purchase an adult gene 8 pro bundle or get the 3rd party figures from the other store.
"Anatomical Elements" is the same term for gens or genitals
So for specific examples, you could get this: https://www.daz3d.com/michael-8-pro-bundle
this: https://www.daz3d.com/darius-8-pro-bundle
or this: https://www.daz3d.com/edward-8-pro-bundle
and you will get the G8M male anatomical elements (I'm just going to call them "parts" for the rest of this). You don't have to get all three, the parts are the same for each of them. Then one of the Pro bundles for any of the adult female characters would get you the female parts. These do not come in the Starter bundles, and are not sold separately. They also don't come in the pro bundles of figures that are considered children, so look on the pro bundle product page and find the "What's Included and Features" section and look for
to make sure they are included in what you are getting.
Apart from the answers already in this thread, I'd also go with 3rd Party. Not only are they better IMO, but I really object to having to buy a Pro Bundle when most of what's in the Pro Bundles holds no interest for me (especially the inevitable fantasy warrior skimp-wear).
The only character I have this generation that seem to have different than default gens are the ones mentioned already and Alexander https://www.daz3d.com/alexander-for-darius-8
Even the aliens and monsters this go round seem to prefer human anatomical elements. Not even Ozias. =-0 Guess aliens and humans have a lot more in common than we think. =-)
I don't have that product but that product should only have at most a set of morphs and textures sets that are applied to the Pro Bundle Genesis 8 Male genitalia, similar to the DeepSea George character and M3D characters have morphs for the genitals..
Yes that’s what I mean.
Not really a suprise. Daz is a PG environment, maybe R for certain things.
Renderorica is NC17 at its tamest.
Oh I have Jessica in my wish list! Next time she goes on sale I'm buying her. Dalton has been asking for her!
@KuroFish "So how to you get to the "Anatomical Elements" for Gen 8? The new DAZ has me a little disoriented"
If you're asking where in the Content Manager:
I’m not sure. The gens sold here function well enough to be considered adult mature if that is the defining factor. There are other morphs sold here adding additional functionality. What that tells me is the store sells morphs but just not in pro packs and not as standalone items like at other store. That doesn’t tell me morphs are forbidden just that their inclusion is less obvious.
Yeah, I wish Daz had a more liberal policy with nudity, but the fact that their models support nudity, the changes to the IMO underrated anatomical genitalia elements... Daz does good work.
Could they make more if they opened up the store to clothing with less chest region coverage (for females) and porn-y morphs for the anatomical bits? I think so, but every company has their standards. Their creations support other uses, and I appreciate that.
As for Renderotica... they have a storefront. It's difficult enough for "adult" storefronts to get payment processing over the internet. (I was about to stray into politics, but I restrained myself.) They cannot allow for edge cases in the naughty business if they want to run a business. There's a definite cost to do that kind of business, and I'm sure that's part of Daz's calculations for this website.
I guess I don't conflate the two as being always the same.. Elements are part of the body and should be as accurate as possible. Salacious clothing and poses and stuff are clearly mature items. Pro bundles are presumably for artistic professionals. They should be as accurate as possible when it comes to all parts of the body.
I just found this thread and I am considering buying V8 and M8 pro for the gens, I works actually with the version 7 and gens from renderotica.
Does it mean that if I aquire a girl and a boy from Male-M3dia I will have genitals for both male and female version 8?
No to get the anatomical elements you need to purchase an adult pro bundle.
Haha, I do that too. I'm such a purist with that.
BTW: Never underestimate Genesis' anatomical elements. Before some 3rd party vendors jumped on that train, they were the best around. Pssst, some displacement maps can do magic there.
I find myself almost always coming back to Genesis gens, mainly for males, as there always seems to be issues with the shells on 3rd party products, particularly when converting shaders in Octane. For females I almost always use the 3feetwolf product and delete the shells. I am surprised that more artists have not made gens or morphs for them. Working with the default Genesis gens is much simpler in terms of materials imho. I would certainly welcome more products that do not require shells and have alot of options for variety. I would even commission such an endevour if there were any skilled artists willing to undertake the project of making a set of morphs using the Genesis gens similar to products that are available for the body. Not sure if something like that could even be marketed on DAZ but it just seems like it would be a hot item.