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I am probably something of an "odd fish" about this stuff, as I am about many things I guess.
I find the fact that someone feels the need to censor basic parts of the human body and remove them from models rather depressing. Men have "dangly bits" (as my nephew calls them). They are not disgusting, immoral or wrong. They are as much a part of the male body as ears and fingernails. And yet when buying most males from Daz you get a censored version. This rather seems to be promoting the concept that certain parts of the body are in some way wrong or offensive.
Same for women's genitalia, of course. Although of course they are not so obviously missing from Daz figures who do not have their legs apart!
I do wish, however, that more character makers would include the option for something other than bald or "minimal landing strip" pubic hair. Very glad I got Skin Builder as I can now add "fluff" to my favourite girls - I use them clothed, but am happier knowing they have it, lol (yes, call me daft, I know)
The genitalia being separate to the main body is a practical consideration as no point in wasting polygons on something that is not visible for many renders.
I personally would rather people came with genitals, just because people do have genitals in real life. There is nothing wrong with that and it seems to me to be healthier to not make an issue out of them by removing them. But, as I said, I may be an odd fish.
You are overlooking practical reasons.
If a figure has dangly bits, then you need to work to maneuver it and clothing around it so it looks right with no poke through. That can be pretty hard. (cough)
It's WAY easier to fit pants if there's no extra bits to work around, even if it's an innie there can be bits you really don't want to clip through.
For people who almost never render nudes (I think I've rendered maybe 10, ever), having a lot of time and technology devoted to something I will never use would be annoying.
These are all good reasons why they should be detachable/separate parts. But having to pay the high price of a Pro Bundle just to get some at all seems very harsh. IMHO they should be included with base figures, or at least available cheaply as an extra on their own.
Designing outfits for Ken doll male pelvises doesn’t look right. Lately there have been male clothing outfits for men with pelvises that look more like g8f’s, flat and smooth and too high, Fortunately there are products available which can help shape that area.. but I do think leaving it off creates a set of shaping challenges even if it easier to make clothing without worry about the groin.
I do have to add though that people seem to accept that they have to worry about the breasts when designing clothing. So working around challenging pieces of anatomy seems doable.
That's an entirely different argument, though.
My point is that there's no evidence this is significantly about morality or squeamishness.
Totally agree!!!
Don't pay the high price, go to renderotica and get a 3rd party figure which is usually of much higher quality and has way more functionality.
you've seen one anotomical, you've seen 'em all - imo 3rd party is not any better in fact even terrible when you it comes to character textures; but 'otica does offer good morph and pose dials for the defualt element
maybe you are talking about the males since I don't use them often, but for the females, the 3rd party addons are far superior and I have no issues with textures matching, it's a simple click.
The 3rd Party male products don't work to well with custom shapes that are scaled. I had looked at making some shapes for some other products but I stopped because the rigging wasn't suitable, and I ran into issues making them work with my shapes. This is why I add these shapes for the DAZ gens to my products in this store.
My main issue since I do mainly pinup style are that some of the characters that are obviously adult do not come with the anatomical element materials. I have some male characters that will not work with the aftermarket male gens that are avaialble. I have used Male M3dia products (both male and female) for some commisions for a friend and they worked very well.
Male-M3dia’s morphs are all very well done and the best you will find in this store. It’s wonderful when pas show attention to details like that.
Well that is to bad. I guess the males don't get as much love no matter the store.
Well the fact that they changed the name from "genitals" to "anatomical elements" (which technically can mean any part of the body) seems to point in that direction.
If have a question then...if I brought the Genesis 3 Female Genitalia with Victoria 7 Pro Bundle, would it work with ANY Genesis 3 Female?
Could I get something like the Kalea 7 or the Monique 7 starter without needing to get the Kalea 7 or Monique 7 pro bundle? I wouldn't have to worry about the basic skins for gens or anything else would I?
Any adult Genesis 3 Female-based character, yes - as long as the materials included Anatomical Elements textures.
Except Centaur 7 Female.
The geograft isn't quite that versatile...
I don't see a dividing line between salacious and nonsalacious use (it's all legitimate use in my book), but there's a sliding scale of goodness and propriety when it comes to payment processing.
It's the business transaction side that matters most, and that sliding scale/spectrum between General audiences and Restricted ones does matter.
I'll never fault Daz for not allowing naughty images because there would be a cost to that. I don't mind shopping elsewhere when I need to, even if I appreciate the artists that do work here and support sexy work.
I would also say that 3rd party (male and female) tend to distort more with more exaggerated bending, in my experience. Fifty Shades of something or other... I suppose.
Daz gens tend to perform better over a broader variety of bends, with less deformation.
You may get more surface details in a reasonable band of performance out of third party, but Daz gens have an even larger "good" consistency level.
Lol. 'Rotica has pervy people covered on that front... Or rear, as it were.
Hey now, I resemble that remark, LOL
Thing is, even if we put them in, we really can't advertise that they're there other than maybe saying Anatomical morphs. I have morphs in most of my products (except the teens) but other than renderotica, I can't really do a proper advertisment. So it make sense why they are sold on that site.
yeah i read your posts and i really didin't know about your works before i read that post, it's really looks interesting having someone here "at last trying" something", well as you told it can be a "subtetly advertise" like saying anatomic morphs, without need too "explicit, but at last having then could be already good and the fact which you have is already good, for now i'm already full broken(daz is a pocket destroyer), but next month after i've payed my credit card i will try to give a check on your work, because i'm not too much fan of using "third party" products without a proper support from the main program or a proper way to install it.
Actually I've had them since at least Genesis 2, if not earlier.
interesting, really cool to hear, maybe the problem could be a lack of "info" in the description, like you told is not common to have that things in the description, then i only remember reading about then in genesis 3 and 8 the ones under it i don't recall seeying it in the description( at last the ones i looked), i will check again later.
But as i told in my first post, my only really big issue is the fact which they really don't come with the "base genesis figures" and you have to buy a "pro bundler"(not even a start bundle) come with it, it is really unfair and a lot of greedy in my opnion and one of the "few negative points" i have toward DAZ.
And would be cool if more "PA artists could look into that and "add" that morphs as you did to make the works more realistic and cool and don't need to be "loud about that" just a small text like "anatomic elements moprhs could be good.
The gens haven't been included since Gen4, so I don't think that's going to change 9 years later. And I do tend to put "morphs" on the antomical elements, though i may have been more description in previous products and the description could have been edited. And the word "shapes" would indicated the gens have morphs... I've seen a few that have that already included.
well maybe if enough peoples "complain" and ask for it maybe they will change it, last in the next generation (genesis 9), the problem is which normally when that things happens peoples just "accept and don't care" that is why they keep doing if enough peoples complain and do some proper "i will not buy it until it happen" then they for sure change, because will hurt in where it's really hurts, but aslong peoples are fine with that changes....
for exemple when i do look back to let's say genesis 2, when you look to the ammounf of stuffs which comes in the pro bundle then the later versions and peoples where fine with that change is when really things get bad.
but yeah thanks i will check better later on your products, i'm looking into try to make a sort of "the sims game" but more "realistic and mature then would be good to have "everything as possible."
If you like rendering nudes, then you get plugged in to these things. I have Male-m3dia products from G2M to G8M. It's nice to have more shapes because you just need more than the default.
Products from renderotica also help. Manual install is just as valid as a Daz installer. Posing morphs for the gens, for instance. Or geografted overlays to add color to the gens if you use the Torso UV to add textures to figures that don't come with textures for the gens.
And that's just boy stuff! There's even more product for female figures that are pretty much required if you do nudes.
Which of Male-M3dia's products offers the best value for genital enhancements? The comical prudishness of Daz's website makes it a little hard to know what you really get in that area.
You should spend some time with the new Strand-Based Hair. You now have the freedom to give your figures whatever kinds of pubes you want. Here's some armpit hair I made earlier as an experiment, and it would be trivially easy to turn this into pubic hair.
Well, you may just want to look for numbers of morphs.
For instance... https://www.daz3d.com/m3d-hd-hero-shapes-for-michael-8
This lists "3 Anatomical Elements presets".
https://www.daz3d.com/m3d-dalton-hd-for-genesis-8-male
This has 2 "Anatomical Elements presets".
I happen to have both of those packages, and I can tell you that each of those presets has its own look. So there's not a huge worry of overlap.
It's difficult to tell you what to buy without pictures, but even an untextured picture would not work here, so I'll just leave it at that. There's a variety when you get multiples, and you can mix/match by using partial dials. The more you have, the better, sort of like Pokemon.
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As for "Anatomical Elements" versus "Genitalia". I think this happened when the Gens prop included the anatomical element where poop comes out.
I've theorized elsewhere that because the poopy bit isn't strictly involved in the act of genesis/procreation, biologically speaking, and there's still a certain stigma with it in some parts of the country... they naturally renamed it to "Anatomical Elements".
It's an awesome shift to include both the organ of generation and the orifice of defecation in one anatomical element. The Genesis 2 gens only included the organ of generation, so the addition was pretty radical. I can't fault them for that at all. The shift in the name might be prudish, but the change in the prop was a great thing IMO.
Actually there's more differences in there as the Hero product mentions veins.. and Dalton is the only set that morphs, ahem, anyway... you should get both sets particularly Dalton (and M3D Jesse for G3M) if you're posting images on 'rotica. I only do that one morph once per generation because it's a PAIN to do.