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*Slender* Josie -- of any age, in other words?
Good-oh, another useful body type to target.
kinda off topic but sometimes, i hate the low cut bikinis. i can't post some renders of Victoria in bikini for she-freak 4 because the renders will violate the nudity rules. i was going to make a new metal shader and make my own skimpy armor too. come to think of it, I thought I saw skimpy armor in some online games too.
Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGh0EMmMC8
I'm good with both 'proper' armour and the 'maille handkerchief masquerading as protection' type. It depends on what sort of render I wish to do. I now have a yearning to dust off SickleYield's Heavy Armour and give it another go, so thanks for bringing up the topic! :)
I'm as sick of that video as I am of this whole argument. Fans of skimpwear armor don't complain when practical armor is released, why do we have to listen to it every time anything that isn't head-to-toe platemail comes out?
This is the reason, right here. I made pics with women in more practical armor a long time ago too. No one looked at them. I started using skimpy armor. Many more people looked at them. Eureka.
You use what you want and let us use what we want.
This is the reason, right here. I made pics with women in more practical armor a long time ago too. No one looked at them. I started using skimpy armor. Many more people looked at them. Eureka.
You use what you want and let us use what we want.
I meant no offense by the video, I just thought it would be nice to add some humor to the conversation.
"Armour" looks so much more respectable on your bill than "kinky fetish-wear"
I take it you haven't seen band members with skirts so short they barely cover the derriere in weather that defies that type of costume?
Point taken :)
This is the reason, right here. I made pics with women in more practical armor a long time ago too. No one looked at them. I started using skimpy armor. Many more people looked at them. Eureka.
You use what you want and let us use what we want.
The argument in that video, as I always saw it, is the double standard. The Guys get realistic armor, and she's stuck in the bikini. And that's really the only thing about skimpy armor that gets me. The guys don't wear enough of it. ;)
If it's genre appropriate for the girl to be in a chain-bikini, then I want to see the guys similarly dressed with little more than a scowl and a loin-cloth. If the guys are protected head to toe in full articulated plate, then the girls should be likewise.
+1. Definitely a lack of chainmail codpieces about ;-)...
If it's really that important then removing the armor completely will probably make even more people looking at your pics.
If it's really that important then removing the armor completely will probably make even more people looking at your pics.
Actually, imho no... total nudity gets rather boring after awhile... its a nekkid human body, yep, been there seen that -_-... but skimpwear provides a whole lot of variation (in design, in coverage, in patterns/textures etc)... got to retain _some_ level of mystery after all...
(of course, I may be shown to be totally wrong... just my 0.02c ^_^)
Yes, even impractical clothing tells a story, and strategic covering adds to the intrigue and fires the imagination.
A nude figure is only a king, queen, slave, warrior etc if you know the narrative of the story if maybe in a graphic novel - but to tell a story with a single image, that's when clothing suggestive of an activity/function/class comes into play. If the image is to tell a story and simultaneously be a pin-up, well that requires several elements to blend together.
But even so, the point of equality is the strongest of all in this thread... you look at the classic pin-up warriors of Frazetta, Vallejo etc, and you'll see the guys in skimpwear every bit as much as the ladies (although admittedly there would still be a much higher percentage of female flesh on show if including dress types for male & female solo pin-ups - males are almost never naked but a minority of females are naked albeit not explicitly posed).
That's definitely true, and it does bring in more views. However, I'm not a fan of full nudity, and only use topless nudity occasionally in pics.
My job is to make fantasy pictures and characters that people will enjoy for a variety of reasons. I do have female characters that wear somewhat practical armor and others that don't. My main problem with threads like these is the attitude of "well I don't like it, so you shouldn't make it", and that anyone who does find this sort of wear appealing is a "pervert" or "has no life" (both of which were said at one point in this thread).
The argument in that video, as I always saw it, is the double standard. The Guys get realistic armor, and she's stuck in the bikini. And that's really the only thing about skimpy armor that gets me. The guys don't wear enough of it. ;)
Well, knock yourself out :D
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/ad-gladio-for-michael-4
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/hercules
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/shades-of-atlantis-anunnaki
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/godspeed
http://www.daz3d.com/spartan-warrior
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-king
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-outfit-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/primordial-barbarian-clothing
This is just what I found in the first 5 minutes, I have not doubt there is more. Obviously, it's mostly rooted in ancient, as opposed to medieval times, but I am sure for the sake of equality, we can make it work.
Wait, there is no 'Zardoz' costume, yet? O_o
I take it you haven't seen band members with skirts so short they barely cover the derriere in weather that defies that type of costume?
Sometimes even the female band members wear the skirts... :bug: (I've played in more bands than I can count; musicians tend to be a rather...odd bunch.)
The argument in that video, as I always saw it, is the double standard. The Guys get realistic armor, and she's stuck in the bikini. And that's really the only thing about skimpy armor that gets me. The guys don't wear enough of it. ;)
Well, knock yourself out :D
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/ad-gladio-for-michael-4
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/hercules
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/shades-of-atlantis-anunnaki
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/godspeed
http://www.daz3d.com/spartan-warrior
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-king
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-outfit-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/primordial-barbarian-clothing
This is just what I found in the first 5 minutes, I have not doubt there is more. Obviously, it's mostly rooted in ancient, as opposed to medieval times, but I am sure for the sake of equality, we can make it work.
Wait, there is no 'Zardoz' costume, yet? O_o
Okay, I'm tired and cranky and I'm going to ignore the sarcastic, patronizing tone that my brain put on this post. If it was intended, I've got a whole rant about patronizing attitudes and inequality in pinup art that goes here.
All I am going to say is that I do own almost as much (or perhaps even slightly more) male skimpy armor as I do female skimpy armor. I just don't use it much because I don't do a lot where skimpy armor is appropriate for either gender.
Seriously, and forgive me for my interjection, but why is this even a discussion? Is not art subjective? Isn't artwork up to the discretion of the creator? At what point does the suggestion of "I disagree with it, therefor I feel that everyone should respect how I feel about it and act accordingly" borderline censorship? Personally, I would love it if people would keep their ideological mouth spew out of my art. I have no problem with people voicing their critiques, nor do I take issue with opinions, but I do draw the line when people start making suggestions based on preferences, telling me that my art would be better if someone was dress this way, or was represented 'that way.'
If you feel that way, great, but it's called 'Fantasy ' for a reason. If you really wanted realistic armor for women, they would be in cloth dresses and an apron, wielding a ladle and a soup dish, or a garden hoe and a basket. Realistic 'armor' for men would be little more than a cloth tunic, tattered and worn. Their weapons of choice? Oxen (if they are lucky) and tools. There's a reason Joan D'Arc was not exactly well received in her time. Women were not allowed to serve in combat, and armor was an explicit "no-no," and regardless how anybody feels about it, that is how it was. Knights and warriors that were lucky enough to afford armor were pretty much limited to the upper of society and often nobles. And yes, I'm talking about plate, as boiled leather armors were little more than a "protective shirt."
So, please, please don't try to inject your "realism" into my "fantasy art." If you want to do it with yours, by all means, that's great! Go for it! I'll support you 100%. When it is suggested that others need to change their art, simply because you disagree with it, that's where you need to step back and let others create in peace. And if you really feel like there is a misrepresentation or "inequality" of clothing, or games, or whatever, instead of complaining that you want others to change, why don't you take that time you spend voicing your opinion and do something about it and make your own clothing, games, art, what have you?
I personally feel that it is important to let artists make art. That's just my $0.02.
Thing is I imagine that certain people out there get a bit annoyed with female 'armor' looking like bikinis in steel, mostly because they are over the concept and might find it tacky. Not all are, mind you, we are all individuals. Speaking for myself, I can like it under certain circumstances, like quite extraordinary settings involving a lot of magic and antediluvian architecture etc, or even in certain steampunk settings (which is also quite unrealistic with 'skimpy' wings and propellers that make a human fly). But that's why I suggested earlier to dress up their Victoria in a second skin chainmail or a second skin leather jumpsuit and then put the skimpywear on top of that - it can look awesomely cool in fact, which an few earlier examples here showed. Besides medieval style armour are hard to make, and I admire those who put their mind into doing that.
Finally, this is the kind of armor I like the most :-) http://www.daz3d.com/babylon-princess-for-genesis
Well, knock yourself out :D
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/ad-gladio-for-michael-4
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/hercules
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/shades-of-atlantis-anunnaki
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-accessories/godspeed
http://www.daz3d.com/spartan-warrior
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-king
http://www.daz3d.com/barbarian-outfit-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/primordial-barbarian-clothing
This is just what I found in the first 5 minutes, I have not doubt there is more. Obviously, it's mostly rooted in ancient, as opposed to medieval times, but I am sure for the sake of equality, we can make it work.
Wait, there is no 'Zardoz' costume, yet? O_o
Okay, I'm tired and cranky and I'm going to ignore the sarcastic, patronizing tone that my brain put on this post. If it was intended, I've got a whole rant about patronizing attitudes and inequality in pinup art that goes here.
All I am going to say is that I do own almost as much (or perhaps even slightly more) male skimpy armor as I do female skimpy armor. I just don't use it much because I don't do a lot where skimpy armor is appropriate for either gender.
Well I am often sarcastic and occasionally also patronizing, I'm afraid, but I certainly did not intend to offend you. If I came off that way, you have my apologies.
What I wanted to say was: If the only problem is that not enough male characters wear skimpy outfits in artwork, well then that's not because there are no skimpy outfits for male characters available. Yes, it's far less than one might find for female characters, but it is there.
If the problem is that not enough people render male characters in skimpy outfits, well that's another story and one that takes it closer to what art is 'supposed to be'. My personal take is that art only has to appeal to one person and that is it's creator. If there is not enough of whatever one wants to see then it falls onto oneself and no one else to create it. And it 'has to be' nothing. Not beautiful, not fair, not smart, not child-friendly, not useful, not mature, not funny or serious, not clean, not anything. Again, that's just my personal take.
Now, one might argue that art, what is and isn't expressed, particularly when it's expressed very commonly, can point to certain problems or at least conflicts in a society. But that's just it. An expression. An imprint. An echo. What it is not is a problem in itself.
But as I said, that's just how I view things.
If you still got that rant about 'patronizing attitudes and inequality in pinup art' ready, personally, I wouldn't mind hearing it. Even in a less ranty form ;D. Because I like discussions and I'd like to hear new opinions on art and everything else, even, no, particularly, if they are contrary to mine.