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Mininessie made a morph for Caryn that is actually quite cute. You can find it in the freebies forum. I think the Small World morphs for Caryn & Tobyn are cute, too.
I agree, pretty simple to make a Kid but a baby is another thing. I have the babies from rendo and while on the right track, still a bit strange
Not only is the last statement true, but even if you use kids in your comics (if you make comics) and use them completely innocently, you get lumped in with the bad guys and generally reviled. Ask me how I know.
Anyway, I do comics in which adults get transformed into children, so I am very used to working with child characters, and I think they can come out pretty good (see attached). The main issue I have found with G8 figures far and away is the posing of the kids. There are absolutely no dedicated kid pose products. That's the toughest thing. There are some good tween G3 poses, and many times I work with those on G8 characters and then convert. But I would love to see kid hanging out and playing poses intended for use with G8. The attached image uses adult poses in all of the kids except for the girl in the green shirt. She was posed using a G3 tween pose that was converted.
The next biggest issue with the kids is the hair. There just aren't too many kid hair products and I run into situations if I want to make say a classroom of kids, it's hard to make them all look unique.
Lastly, the clothing. I have a bunch of 3DU products and her clothes are hands down the best, but they too start looking similar. There are specifically very few good kid dresses and skirts.
So I do basically I agree there is a lack of products, and sadly I agree that the market is not strong enough to spur enough interest in making more.
Growing up is OK. It's not a dig at the PA, as I couldn't have done it any better myself. I suck at making humans really bad, which is why I like daz3d lol, so I am for sure glad it exists! The only way I find using growing up useful in my work, is to start with the default genesis 8, then add the age preset and use that as the base. I subtely dial in other morphs to make it more unique looking. Every time I have tried like loading in a premade adult character and adding an age preset to that, the results looked scary to me lol. The 3DU ones are cute, and work great in my more stylized works. Angelwings creations are great too, they are used when I am going for a real world type render. They also make a good base like the growing up ones.
Clothes are hard, even doing retextures, everyone doesn't wear the same things, outside of schools etc that require uniforms at least. I can fit adult clothes to them, but it usually requires a few trips to GoZ to fix the usual problem areas like chest. Hair is a bit of a hassle, but the trick is to move it into place, scale it then parent rather than fit it to a kid. The back of the neck area distorts really badly with fit to.
I would love to see more to choose from.
Bugger another 502 host failure.
...I echo those feelings,
Several of the main characters in my story are teens. The major one (Leela) is underdeveloped having suffered serious physical and emotional trauma seeing her family killed and nearly dying herself (only top be saved buy a very experimental procedure).. At the start of the story when is 17 and eventually "ages" to her early 20s. However, she still has the appearance of a young girl (no spoilers from the actual plotline).
I started developing the character visually back in the Gen4 days where there were no viable teen figures (part of the reason I got into this as I wanted to illustrate her story). I put a lot of work into designing her and her friends back then as we had nothing in the way of appropriate clothing for younger character, particularly custom developed ones (I had to use what "tame" clothing was available for V4). This carried on through the Genesis era (which I will admits made some aspects easier) but it still took effort and clothing fits for more "petite" physiques were still an issue, particularly with respect for materials (for example I never use any striped textures of blouses, shirts or bodysuits/swim suits).
What really bothers me are the views and fears some have concerning younger 3D characters as 3D art is often used for less than "appropriate" imagery. As a writer and illustrator, I find this rather frustrating. Even close friendships (as develops between Leela and another character, a female fey [elf]) can be terribly taken out of context even when there is no "inappropriate" intent.
Maybe we have become far too "PC" (not the Platinum Club) for our own good. I don't know.
I feel your pain. Far too PC? Unquestionably. Why is the expectation that if you have kids in your comics, you are going to use them inappropriately? There is indeed good 4th generation kids clothing, made for the Kids 4. As I'm sure you have experienced, much of this is unusable for Genesis and later figures, particularly when it comes to skirts and dresses. I would like to at least see those products updated for use with current figures, G8 and G3. Would that be so hard or difficult?
I have submitted comics to some sites for publication, like TGC. If I have any scenes at all that show a character under 18 years old (always fully clothed), those scenes are rejected. We live in a world that has children. There shouldn't be such an onus depicting everyday children. We shouldn't be punished for the works of perverts, and there shouldn't be an automatic assumption that you are perverted if you have kids in your comics. In my opinion.
Or bizarre things like *cough* shoulders *cough*..
I'm a pinup artist who sometimes dabbles in age-appropriate images of younger people, usually tweens to early teens. Finding clothes and poses for them is a pain in the rear. One thing I miss from the Before Time with Luke and Laura was products dedicated to them. Sure, there were a limited number of products and they never sold exceptionally well, but they did exist. I have very few items I feel comfortable putting my younger figures in. And dealing with crumpled shirt chests is no fun at all.
[edited for spelling and grammar errors]
...oh and one of the themes involves the "child soldier" (which Leela was) that is a serious RL issue in a number of nations as well as in history.
Sorry if this has been covered (only read the last page or so), but I wanted to say I find it weird when a younger/child character does not come with smoothing morphs (aka a clothing helper morph). Not all of us own growing up. I do plan on getting it one day, but it just doesn't seem to go on sale when I have the cash to buy it. (If it came up for $2, I would find the cash, one way or another, but I haven't seen that happen.) I've tried dforcing clothing on kids, but it is a huge hassle. If you are a PA making a kid character, please include smoothing morphs!
For those of you looking for kids poses, the free section of rendo has a bunch. This BBarbs has many poses of all ages.
https://www.renderosity.com/users/BBarbs/freestuff
Well said!
I would LOVE to see some K8 content. Characters, hair and clothing! I have been creating illustrations for children's books for several years now.
Yes I have a ton of K4 content that I use, over and over and over. It would be wonderful to have some new content to use! I would certainly purchase it IF it were available!
personally I think "we" need to push Daz a bit further.
Wow!! Those are great! Thank you so much!!
A possible K8 figure doesn't make any sense to me. As far as I know the reason why K4 existed was because the V4/M4 base figures, due to its limitations, didn't support massive age/shape/size morphing. That's why they needed to publish a separate child figure. But that issue is not the case with the Genesis (1,2,3,8,8.1) figures. You can create almost every human or humanlike body shape from the Genesis (1,2,3,8,8.1) base figures and that was the most significant progression compared to the Generation 4 figures. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So there's no need for a separate K8 figure, because it's redundant. We already have the Genesis 8 female/male base figure and we just need more PAs making (realistic) child characters and more hairstyles and clothes for child characters.
...and there are teen/kid characters (not just by 3DU) available for all the Genesis versions as well as Zev0s Growing Up Morphs.
On the other hand more kid and teen appropriate clothing would be nice.
I don't think the option for a base child figure is redundant at all. It is an option. Don't want? Don't buy. Pretty straightforward.
Also for the grown up's
Even if there would be a K8 figure, you still need enough PAs doing stuff for it. If not, you have the same problem as now - a lack of suitable clothing, poses and hairstyles for that figure. And there would be also people that say: "Why should I spend money for a separate figure if there are child characters for the already existing figures? And why should I spend money for a separate figure only to get suitable clothes for children, which I even cannot use for my G8 child characters as well?" As I already said, the reason why K4 was made, was mostly a technical reason. If V4/M4 wouldn't have had their technical limitations, I guess a K4 figure would have probably never existed. If you wanted to have child characters, there was no other option but K4 back then and that was the reason for the figure's success. And yes, I would also vote for a official product line for kids. But if Daz would make a kids product line nowadays, they can make these child characters and related stuff directly for G8 or G8.1, without the need for a separate K8 figure.
Well, I'll happily continue to disagree. The addition won't hurt.