[FIXED] Frontier Outpost... DazCentral Only !

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,343
    edited June 2020

    It's not an inference and not an assumption though. The product description for Frontier Outpost states as the install method Central and not the other methods, while for example, the Urban Sprawl Big City product lists as install methods DAZ Central, DAZ Connect, DIM, and Manual Install. Both those are factual statements on DAZ 3D's part not incorrect, worst assumptions on the customer's part. DAZ 3D may be incorrect in their statements but the customers can only read what DAZ 3D has told them.

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  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,561

    on a side note, how long should i expect the stonemason sale to go on for? I have so much stuff in my wishlist...

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Hopefully will be available via DIM. If not, then hopefully wil be available for manual install. If not, then it gets returned. 

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,485

    Hopefully will be available via DIM. If not, then hopefully wil be available for manual install. If not, then it gets returned. 

    I'm not going to buy it, I'm not risking having funds tied up while I wait for CS to sort it out.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310
    gerster said:
    Sevrin said:
    gerster said:

    Ugh....wth   first I'm not a dude...dude    StoneMason didn't specify what he was getting fixed. If it was the fact that it wasn't downloading through DazCentral or for the other options being available.  

    DAZ made in the past a very clear statement that DIM will stay and DAZ Central is only an option for new users.

    So you can expect that's only a bug that Frontier Outpost is not working via DIM.

    Have a little patience wink bugs happens.

    But in the meantime, DIM functionality is being removed, and DazCentral, even in its broken and incomplete form, is being pushed on us.   Daz has not acknowledged or apologized for the many problems it has cause its customers with Daz Central and rather than scrapping it going back to the drawing board to produce a properly functioning client, continue to cause us and themselves unnecessary frustration.

    What DIM functionality has been removed? For me, everything is workign fine what I need.

    Links to install with DIM have been replaced by links to install with DC, rather than having added DazCentral as an option.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,065

    It will stay in my cart until either DIM capability is provided or it reverts to regular discount. DazCentral is a non-starter, literally, for me.

  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,058
    Sevrin said:
    gerster said:
    Sevrin said:
    gerster said:

    Ugh....wth   first I'm not a dude...dude    StoneMason didn't specify what he was getting fixed. If it was the fact that it wasn't downloading through DazCentral or for the other options being available.  

    DAZ made in the past a very clear statement that DIM will stay and DAZ Central is only an option for new users.

    So you can expect that's only a bug that Frontier Outpost is not working via DIM.

    Have a little patience wink bugs happens.

    But in the meantime, DIM functionality is being removed, and DazCentral, even in its broken and incomplete form, is being pushed on us.   Daz has not acknowledged or apologized for the many problems it has cause its customers with Daz Central and rather than scrapping it going back to the drawing board to produce a properly functioning client, continue to cause us and themselves unnecessary frustration.

    What DIM functionality has been removed? For me, everything is workign fine what I need.

    Links to install with DIM have been replaced by links to install with DC, rather than having added DazCentral as an option.

    For me not, just checked it (see attachments) and they go all to DIM as they should. But I never use these links, normally just download new boughts prodcts via DIM directly.

    Maybe I never installed DAZCentral, because I immediatelly regogniczed that DAZCentral is a downgrade compared to DIM. wink

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  • WolfwoodWolfwood Posts: 787
    lilweep said:

    on a side note, how long should i expect the stonemason sale to go on for? I have so much stuff in my wishlist...

    The "free" extra product seems to be a today only sale. Maybe general stonemason products remain discounted for a few more days as a featured artist, but i would not hold it on the big promotion if it is to your liking.

    Even if the fix the installer issues, I have not decided yet if grab it or not. Its a really nice new set by one of the best artist in this store, sadly it will take a while (if at all) for me to actually need a tatooi...err i mean desert town setting wink. The free item is fantastic, but i do wonder if maybe i should wait for those rare combinations of PA on sale + 50% make your own bundle. That would give me 2 futuristic sets (what i need more) for the same money. Also that the other PA discount requires a code too is not good either because we cannot combine all.

    Too bad today's special is not one of those that you get incredible big discounts as you grab more of debut releases. Several interesting items, but at release price its just too expensive for my 3rd world wallet.

  • ADAD Posts: 396
    edited June 2020

    I had not even noticed the download type. That is a no go for me. Sorry Stonemason. It was in my cart and another of your items. Love them. But I tried DazCentral and it totally messed up my file structure so bad it took days to fix them after I uninstalled it.

    @DazSteve and company, if you keep this up, you will lose sales.

    It's my same opinion! I am old enough to decide how I want to download my purchased product without having to use any compulsory software. And in the future I will only download my products manually or buy anything from DAZ.

     

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  • veenveen Posts: 139

    if its not being available in DIM format i skip it ( and a lot of other people ) Daz Central sucks!!!!

  • veenveen Posts: 139

    I just bought Frontier Outpost as well & would like it in DIM to be saved & backed up in the same OS FS location as all the other products I've bought at DAZ 3D and downloaded via DIM. We were told DAZ Central was in addition to DIM not in place of DIM.

    i tought so, its about time to go to Renderosity!

  • vagansvagans Posts: 422

    The reactions here to a bug are just ridiculous.

  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,407

    Why are y'all just screaming for no reason? You're not even listening to information that has been presented to you. It's an issue with the store, it's going to be fixed.

  • Singular3DSingular3D Posts: 545

    Because there was no official statement that it is a bug. Only silence...

  • dawnbladedawnblade Posts: 1,723

    Just in case there is a "Sorry for the confusion" render challenge, I'll start it off with a render using a Stonemason prop! Story heresmiley

     

  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,407

    I dont believe they ever state anything official when something is wrong with the store cause it happens so often and will eventually get sorted out.

  • dawnbladedawnblade Posts: 1,723

    I took Stonemason's comment to mean both the installation error and the install methods were being looked into.

    The Skin tutorial is the only other new product listed today as DazCentral only: Why would an .mp4 video tutorial and a .pdf be limited to solely DazCentral? So I think in both cases it is an error.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,444

    Given the second post in this thread says the Frontier Outpost isn't available in DazCentral after purchase, one would think people would realize there's a bug involved and not leap to crazy speculation on some kind of evil plot to force DazCentral on everyone.  

    For those who mentioned Daz Connect, the only items that were Connect only were ones with DRM that required Daz Connect. There's been no indication that DazCentral is applying any form of DRM to files loaded using it, as far as I can tell Daz Central is just an attempt at a simplified version of DIM though whether it is too simplified or has simplified the wrong things for more technical minded users is a discussion for a different thread.

  • Joe WebbJoe Webb Posts: 837

    Its a beautiful set and I can wait a few hours on it. Its not like the world is coming to an end... maybe I should rephrase that... 

    I haven't had issues with Central, and in fact found it a breeze to set up on a remote F drive. Maybe its because learning the DIM seemed so intimidating that when I finally did learn it, something stuck for once.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    I guess I was premature in asking for a refund. I didn't see the DC only option until after I tried to download. And I don't come into the Forum specifically looking for answers to things that seem like a deliberate choice.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856

    I (foolishly perhaps) tried the Central beta when it came out. It ended up messing up my DIM paths, and breaking the CMS to the point that I had to go into the registry to rip out stuff before being able to reinstall Studio and have everything work. I can wait for this to resolve... And if it turns out that Central only is correct (which would surprise me), well, I'll be saving some store credit.

  • mavantemavante Posts: 734
    edited June 2020
    gerster said:

    Ugh....wth   first I'm not a dude...dude    StoneMason didn't specify what he was getting fixed. If it was the fact that it wasn't downloading through DazCentral or for the other options being available.  

    DAZ made in the past a very clear statement that DIM will stay and DAZ Central is only an option for new users.

    So you can expect that's only a bug that Frontier Outpost is not working via DIM.

     

    Um, no, you can't:

     

    Stonemason Frontier Outpost Daz Central Only

    Unless you know of some really groovy workplace-permitted drug that can make that happen, it is willful and intentional.

    It is rat-in-a-maze time for us "consumers." Maybe we could look for a blessing in it, such as being thankful that they didn't decide to use actual electric cattle prods on us.

    B. F. Skinner would be so, so proud.

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  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,201
    Sevrin said:
    gerster said:

    Ugh....wth   first I'm not a dude...dude    StoneMason didn't specify what he was getting fixed. If it was the fact that it wasn't downloading through DazCentral or for the other options being available.  

    DAZ made in the past a very clear statement that DIM will stay and DAZ Central is only an option for new users.

    So you can expect that's only a bug that Frontier Outpost is not working via DIM.

    Have a little patience wink bugs happens.

    But in the meantime, DIM functionality is being removed, and DazCentral, even in its broken and incomplete form, is being pushed on us.   Daz has not acknowledged or apologized for the many problems it has cause its customers with Daz Central and rather than scrapping it going back to the drawing board to produce a properly functioning client, continue to cause us and themselves unnecessary frustration.

    Sounds like daz is taking a page from Diviant Arts playbook and doing their version of an eclipse run on everyone.

     

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,201

    Well I manually install all of my content and if they force daz central on us like they did daz connect they won't see another dime from me.

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Sorel said:

    Why are y'all just screaming for no reason? You're not even listening to information that has been presented to you. It's an issue with the store, it's going to be fixed.

    We remember Encrypted Daz Connect, and the fiasco that it was; oh, and it was DRM by another name.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,485
    vagans said:

    The reactions here to a bug are just ridiculous.

    And that statment is insulting, some of us have been around a while and so our trust isn't as blind as others.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,444
    edited June 2020
    mavante said:
    gerster said:

    Ugh....wth   first I'm not a dude...dude    StoneMason didn't specify what he was getting fixed. If it was the fact that it wasn't downloading through DazCentral or for the other options being available.  

    DAZ made in the past a very clear statement that DIM will stay and DAZ Central is only an option for new users.

    So you can expect that's only a bug that Frontier Outpost is not working via DIM.

     

    Um, no, you can't:

     

    Stonemason Frontier Outpost Daz Central Only

    Unless you know of some really groovy workplace-permitted drug that can make that happen, it is willful and intentional.

    It is rat-in-a-maze time for us "consumers." Maybe we could look for a blessing in it, such as being thankful that they didn't decide to use actual electric cattle prods on us.

    B. F. Skinner would be so, so proud.

    Yes we can. I purchased Frontier Outpost. There are no download links in the product library page. I even installed Daz Central and the Frontier Outpost does not show up in my Daz Studio Assets. It is a bug. 

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,485

    Well I'm in the UK and I'm signing off for today so its a missed sale from me, I spent under $4 rather than about $70 guess the PA's and Daz can afford to keep loosing like this,

  • DAZ_RawbDAZ_Rawb Posts: 817

    Just to let everyone know, I'm not even sure how the store software would calculate that any content was "DazCentral" only. DazCentral and DIM share the same core, so DIM can install everything that DazCentral can. DazCentral can't install some things that DIM can, because it doesn't support some older software and their installation methods.

     

    It's probably taking a long time to get unstuck because the data shouldn't ever be able to get in this sort of way so it's probably needing some surgery directly on the store's database to get cleared up (and then it has to move through the various caches and the like).

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited June 2020

    interesting, that's what they did when connect came out with several products being connect download only to try and convert everyone to using connect instead of dim. Maybe trying that again to get us to use DazCentral? 

    Oh I'm sure that's a part of it. I'm not buying anything that I can't download and install myself.

    Which is to say: MANUAL download.

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