Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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I really don't see this as a persuasive argument, mostly because we don't have any idea ahead of time what next week's PC items will be; in which case, what does it matter what they're going to cost?
I've passed on a lot of PC items (roughly half, in fact, since I joined), simply because I had -- and still have -- no use for them; they were -- and still are -- inappropriate for the styles and genres that I prefer to work in. The fact that they only cost a buck-ninety-nine, and that I knew the price going in, was magnificently irrelevant.
Having said that, I confess to having a tendency to grab the week's PC offerings for the sole reason that they are the week's PC offerings -- and my runtimes have suffered a major case of content bloat as a result. And I probably wouldn't have purchased a lot of it if those items had not been priced so ridiculously low. So this has the potential to make me a better, more discriminating, shopper.
Just looking for the silver lining here....
i'm trying different cart combos to see what discounts, which combos dip deeper.
sometimes the cart tells me what my + discount would be :) can't figure what triggers it, seems random.
Awesome - Posts like this that shows DAZ hears us, makes this place great!
This is going way OT, but I assume you mean limitations in modeling and animation? I was told by a higher-up in a now defunct computer company when I complained of lack of development in a certain content-producing area (music, actually) that 'most people are consumers, not producers'.
This concept (which is actually real) has made Microsoft billions but also explains the pedestrian nature (to some) of its OS and why Explorer assumes every JPG, TIF, etc. on my harddrive is actually a photo which is annoying as heck. The GOOD thing re Studio is that it's getting better and more professional every day, though perhaps not fast enough for modeling and animation producers, but even more important, I think, is that DAZ CONTENT is desired to be used in higher end apps. It will be interesting to see how DAZ reacts to the gap though I fear that going too far too fast will cost them even more development dollars which comes from content sales so that content prices may go up even more. They can't kill the goose.
I have a question. I put in three items in my cart from the summer stack sale so that gives me 50% off other items from the mentioned stores.
Some of the same stores should give me the standard 30% off the Plat+ beta.
They don't stack or aren't they meant to stack?
I think the main problem is that the PC price is still the same as it was when the PC first started in October 2002,
PC items being $1.99 would not be a problem if $1.99 items were in it IMO.
For example, in the post I previously typed that when i hit enter it took me to my account page (I SOOOOO HATE when that happens), I think Jack sets or Petipet ships are worth much more than $1.99 and in my opinion should've never been PC products. I appreciate that they are and have taken advantage, but in all honesty, I would've paid double for those ships. Had those ships been released as DO's for lets say $14.95, yes we STILL would've waited for a sale, but i bet just as many would have sold.
I also think Daz misunderstands the tendencies of its customers. One tendency is that, to a PC member, $1.99 is NOT a "Sales Price". So like any other regular price, an item that is released as a PC $1.99 will sit in our wishlist until it goes on sale, or we need it at any particular moment, or our PC subscription is up. Releasing a cool ship, set, creature for $1.99 doesnt bring a rush to purchase it... even if we want it.
Another tendency I dont think they understand is that their customers are selective. There are certain things they just are, and are not going to buy. I think Daz should really consider categorizing their products and analyze their sales versus their category releases and request items for creation that their categories are lacking. For example, when was the last MONSTER Daz released? By my recollection... the Slime Beast. And it was only usable by DS4 owners. Its missed opportunities like this is where Daz is shooting themselves in the foot.
-MJ
They do stack for those that show the PC+ symbol. I just bought almost everything that was missing from my Stonemason collection for about 65% off (50% plus the 30% PC+). Very happy camper here...
TD
About the "other club". I'm a member, I rarely buy the $3.50 items so they sit in my wishlist forever. There is only a coupon every so often but what it does offer is a reward scheme - so the more you spend the more cash back you receive. They regularly have 50% PA sales and offer 50% off particular new products over the month. Whether this is worthwhile is debatable. I don't think I'll renew with that club again and only did this time because renewal was 50% off.
On the other hand, I've been in that other club for two years and three months, during which time I've picked up 689 items, so that's an average of about 25 a month. Which seems kind of crazy given how Poser-centric that club is and that I've been using DS4 and Genesis exclusively for that entire time, but the simple fact is that they're offering a lot of products in categories that the DAZ PC doesn't and has never supported. In the end, the DAZ Platinum library is fine for fantasy and skimpwear, but it's woefully short on hard SF, realistic modern environments and props, and when it comes to character sets it's not even a competition. (It's kind of sad, actually, that they have far more Genesis characters in their club than DAZ has in theirs.)
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-MJ
They should stack. I don't want this thread to get detracted with trouble shooting. Could you PM me a screen shot of your cart?
I like the idea of opening it up to the entire clientele except (1) I don't know how many non-PC members purchase PC products at their 'normal' price and that would be lost and (2) RDNA Real Deals are more like filler items than full blown products. The quality is good, of course, but nobody can confuse them for the rest of their catalog like you can with the majority of PC items.
I think the main problem is that the PC price is still the same as it was when the PC first started in October 2002,
No, actually it's a lot cheaper. Because DAZ keeps indiscriminately stacking discounts on top of discounts, my current one year subscription cost me less than $30.
While this may have been true in the past I can promise you that nothing is further from the truth now. Almost everything we do we base off of numbers. Even the Platinum Club + in its current iteration was based on average platinum club member buying habits.
Keep in mind that the average buying habits for our customers do not necessarily reflect the average buying habits of our forum members. In fact forum member's buying habits are fairly different than the rest of our customer base.
My whole $.02 on this whole matter:
I would be ok with a price increase if it means the PC club can be profitable. I think this has been echoed before, but then why not have price based on the type of content? One of Jack's sets (Asian court for instance) is an amazing, detailed prop, and probably costs a lot more time, effort and energy to create, than say, a pose set? So why not tier the pricing? Sets cost X, poses cost Y, textures Z, for instance?
Determine what price would be profitable for each type of content, and then set the prices accordingly? I would be ok with that. That way, each type of content creator would be compensated fairly and appropriately. It's no different than the regular store. No pose set I know of costs as much as one of Stonemason's amazingly detailed props. With no disrespect to either type of content creator, either. Getting a pose *just right* can take *hours* and if I can click on a pose preset that someone else has done all the work on, yeah, I'll pay for that. Cuz it'll save me hours. So I don't mean to insult anyone!
But what I wouldn't want to see is Valandar's set (not picking on anyone, these are just for example) costing X, while Jack's set costs X+6, meanwhile, Petipets set costs X-2, given relatively equal complexity of the props. I don't want to see Pose set Theta costing Y+2 while Pose set Epsilon costs flat Y. This way, we as customer's can plan our budgets accordingly. I know a pose will set me back so much, maybe a massive environment might cost a little more, but I can get some textures on the cheap...we have price predictability, and hopefully content creators can have profitability.
Then maybe you can have older sets go into one of the lower price tiers after X amount of time (x was always my favorite variable!) etc. etc.
On the plus side, I think it could be a really good thing to get PA content included in our discounts. I know for me, there are certain PA items on my wishlist that never go on sale, and thus, will never be purchased. Because I am on a limited budget, I do have to try to buy stuff on sale as much as possible.
Since my main application is Daz Studio, this is the place I *want* to spend my money. Having looked at competitors stores, I find them to be a.) poorly organized, in terms of web design and b.) so Poser-centric that for me they're unappealing. I don't really care about Poser, which is why I hardly ever shop on those sites. Daz is my safe haven, where I know the content produced is primarily for *me* and I don't have to spend time tweaking it to look right.
Finally, to echo another sentiment already posted: not every type of content is going to appeal to every buyer. I've got so much skimpwear already that don't think I'll ever need any more. But I would love to see more every day consumer type cars, (not just exotics / race cars), all types of ships (pirate ships, modern merchant ships, subs, etc.) airplanes, airports, cinemas, tennis courts, outdoor basketball courts..Regency / Victorian style clothing. These are areas where the PC could shine. No one else is going to produce every day items, because skimpwear sells. I get it -- but you guys could fill that niche and make it profitable.
No, actually it's a lot cheaper. Because DAZ keeps indiscriminately stacking discounts on top of discounts, my current one year subscription cost me less than $30.
That is indeed true. And when I joined back in 2002 it cost $100 ( well $99.95) for the year and now it is $70, even without any offers
Greetings,
Yeah... From what I can tell, 72% of the PC members haven't ever posted on the forums, and 40% haven't even visited them in the year 2014.You folks must have some seriously fun data, correlating forum posts with purchasing habits, prices, etc... I don't doubt that valuable information can come from this beta.
I'm a process wonk, so I'd love to know the details of how all this works (buyouts, PC decision making, etc.), but I never will. :)
So here's a fun question... Is the plan for a decision about the direction of the PC to be made by the PC Anniversary this October?
-- Morgan
I really don't see this as a persuasive argument, mostly because we don't have any idea ahead of time what next week's PC items will be; in which case, what does it matter what they're going to cost?
I've passed on a lot of PC items (roughly half, in fact, since I joined), simply because I had -- and still have -- no use for them; they were -- and still are -- inappropriate for the styles and genres that I prefer to work in. The fact that they only cost a buck-ninety-nine, and that I knew the price going in, was magnificently irrelevant.
Having said that, I confess to having a tendency to grab the week's PC offerings for the sole reason that they are the week's PC offerings -- and my runtimes have suffered a major case of content bloat as a result. And I probably wouldn't have purchased a lot of it if those items had not been priced so ridiculously low. So this has the potential to make me a better, more discriminating, shopper.
Just looking for the silver lining here....
You may not purchase every one of them but you know what your max cost would be. If you skip some, more can go towards non-PC.
Which is a bit scary -- here we are, advocating for what we need and want, but this isn't remotely representative of a super-majority of the PlatClub membership?!? :grrr: No wonder it seems sometimes like DAZ isn't paying attention.
That's why DAZ does surveys. See what all their customers want
ok, so here are a few catch-22s that i'm seeing in this new PC+ membership:::
An item that is listed at $16.95 & is currently discounted at $1.99 under the current PC membership, but the new PC+ would change that same item to $5.08 - which is clearly more expensive...
so then there's this additional 30% discount that can be stacked on top of the 70% (that's how i'm reading it anyway) giving us up to a 79% discount. so, last time i did math 70+30=100% ~ not 79%...but the promo info says that by stacking these 2 discounts we can save UP TO 79%...that's how i read the page anyway...
1: the math/info is wrong...(70+30=100 ~ not 79)...
2: how can 70-79% be a better deal than the current 80-88%?
3:the monthly $6 DAZ Original coupon never works because when you're a PC member all the DAZ Originals are discounted as PC items & therefore not eligible for the $6 coupon - i have never-ever been able to use the $6 coupon as of yet, & i've been a PC member since 2007 - so i fail to see how the $6 coupon is supposed to convince me to convert...but i've found the Weekly + Monthly Freebies to somewhat make up for this...
4: considering that the $6 coupon appears to be useless anyway, how does an additional $6 coupon change anything?
why do i have this strange feeling that the NON-option of "opting out" until the end of July is because of knowing how quickly most current PC members would indeed opt out after a couple weeks of realizing that this does NOT APPEAR to be a better deal at all...i could see it as a cheaper 2nd tier option to the 3rd tier of the current PC membership...but it does not appear to be a better deal AT ALL to me...
DID I MISS ANYTHING???
I think the main problem is that the PC price is still the same as it was when the PC first started in October 2002,
And at no point over the years did DAZ look at their members, simply and clearly state that inflation is requiring them to adjust the PC item pricing upwards by a small amount. $1.99 could have become $2.50 several years ago. $2.50 could have become $2.99 and so on. You get the picture
Members do understand things like inflation and cost increase. Yes, yes, I know. There would have been those who didn't like it but they always had the option of leaving.
Which is a bit scary -- here we are, advocating for what we need and want, but this isn't remotely representative of a super-majority of the PlatClub membership? :grrr: No wonder it seems sometimes like DAZ isn't paying attention.
Heh. And most of us, well me anyway, being human don't quite really understand our own motivations often enough. I think I'm doing something for one reason when in actuality it's for myriad different ones depending on various changing factors. It probably all sorts out in the aggregate, though, like real markets.
Which is a bit scary -- here we are, advocating for what we need and want, but this isn't remotely representative of a super-majority of the PlatClub membership?!? :grrr: No wonder it seems sometimes like DAZ isn't paying attention.
I can say that active forum members over all make up a very small percentage of active customers. However, active forum members tend to spend more than their non-active counter parts which means we at DAZ do have an incentive to listen to forum members. In fact that's why I was originally moved from tech support to the marketing team. So really I have the forum members to thank for my job. :-)
Well, here are my two cents... I am currently working on acquiring the majority of my wishlist which are PC items so I will not be opting in anytime soon, due to the fact that I lose $1.99 and $2.99 price tags. All in all I think everything but the 70 - 79% off is a good idea. I like the revolving PA catalog most. Not a fan of coupons that require a dollar amount. That is why i basically ignore Renderosity's coupons in the first place (for the most part).
That is a bit misleading. You really cannot justify using the term all when not all of the customers even received the opportunity to do the surveys. I agree that they probably did a good cross section, but using the absolute of all is inaccurate. (I apologize, I do, sometimes, get a little perturbed when inaccurate terminology is used. Use it again in 5 seconds and I might not care.)
While this may have been true in the past I can promise you that nothing is further from the truth now. Almost everything we do we base off of numbers. Even the Platinum Club + in its current iteration was based on average platinum club member buying habits.
Keep in mind that the average buying habits for our customers do not necessarily reflect the average buying habits of our forum members. In fact forum member's buying habits are fairly different than the rest of our customer base.
Incorrect. What you're actually doing is basing things on the buying habits that you know of, and that's a very different thing. What you can't know is how many dollars are being spent on DAZ/Poser type products from other sites, so what you're basically doing is the equivalent of trying to estimate the gas mileage that someone gets on their car by seeing how often they refill at a single gas station. As a result you miss all the times that the person refills at the station near their office or their kid's school, etc., which means that what you're really seeing is a buying pattern that reflects the current limitations of your own product line, not the buying power and consumption habits of the driver. Move the gas station and the equation may change radically and not necessarily in your favor.
As a case example, I personally spend a little more at DAZ now than I did a few years ago, so on your books it might seem like DAZ is doing a good job of capturing my CGI dollar. What you DON'T see is that I've actually tripled my spending on CG over the past three years, but the majority of that increase has gone to other sites, with Rendo, where I barely shopped at at all three years ago, now getting the bulk of it since they started Prime. If DAZ was offering more products similar to what I'm buying in the other PC at a comparable price DAZ would actually be capturing even more of my CGI dollars, but that's a sales opportunity that you can't see with the data you have.
The other coupon can be used on all DAZ items ecept new items, memberships and gift cards.
As for the rest, I'll stay out of that discussion. :-)
1. That's not how stacking discounts work. You multiply the percentages, you don't add them. For example 100 x .7 x .3 = 21. That is where the 79% discount comes from. No retailer that I know of adds the discounts. Obviously we can't do that because we'd quickly end up owing the customer money.
2. It's not, that is why there are added benefits. Nobody here is trying to say that it is better. However if you read the FAQ and announcement as well as the rest of this thread you will see our reasoning behind this.
3. Not true, only DO's specifically marked as Platinum Club items are excluded. The $6 coupon works on normal DAZ Originals, even new releases. Have you tried to use the coupon since the site switched over? Thousands of PC members use the coupon every month without issue. I promise it works.
4. Now that we've established the $6 coupon is not a waste an additional $6 coupon is $6 for you to use in the store. The additional coupon is less restrictive in what it applies to.
The reason we won't let people opt out once they opt in is to 1. Prevent people from gaming the system and taking advantage of both PC and PC+ perks and to 2. Gather accurate and data in regards to those who opt in.
Please I implore everyone to read the first 2 posts in this thread before they post. Those two posts will answer most of your questions.
On the other hand, I've been in that other club for two years and three months, during which time I've picked up 689 items, so that's an average of about 25 a month. Which seems kind of crazy given how Poser-centric that club is and that I've been using DS4 and Genesis exclusively for that entire time, but the simple fact is that they're offering a lot of products in categories that the DAZ PC doesn't and has never supported. In the end, the DAZ Platinum library is fine for fantasy and skimpwear, but it's woefully short on hard SF, realistic modern environments and props, and when it comes to character sets it's not even a competition. (It's kind of sad, actually, that they have far more Genesis characters in their club than DAZ has in theirs.)
I think maybe we like similar products which is another reason I stay with that club. It definitely caters to a wider range of interests but I think the quality that DAZ offers isn't always there or at least the way it's presented isn't. Perhaps DAZ makes a lot of money off of skimp fantasy wear which really isn't something I need. If that's where the money is then I'm not representative of their ideal customer and my opinions aren't relevant. That won't stop me yacking on though...;)
Edited because original response was rendered moot... moving on..
I just hope that the recent spring cleaning sale is not indicative of DAZ discontinuing products for Generation 4 models. I still use them almost exclusively. You can most likely drop the Gen 3 stuff. Thought you would have by now...