Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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Receive a monthly $6.00 coupon good for DAZ Originals, like the current plan, with one exciting addition: Platinum Club Plus members can now use these coupons on Platinum Club Items (excluding new releases).
So, in my understanding, that means that I can use it on the 70% discounted PC items. Of course, not on $1.99, as they don't exist in the new scheme.
I don't really care for the Platinum Club + idea. You're basically putting the screws to everyone who went out and got their Platinum Club Memberships. They're gonna feel slighted by this, and the people who see this whole thing unfold are gonna stay away for fear of their Platinum Plus membership being trumped by the next Platinum Plus Plus membership or something like that. This whole thing shakes my trust as a consumer. Now I'm left wondering how many items will start disappearing from the platinum club and magically re-appearing as Platinum club + items. I'm not saying that's what would actually happen, but that's my gut reaction as a consumer. I wouldn't have minded if they just said something like we're going to raise the price a dollar a month and add the PA discounts to the regular Platinum Club. At least that's straight forward. As a consumer --I like straight forward.
Incorrect. What you're actually doing is basing things on the buying habits that you know of, and that's a very different thing. What you can't know is how many dollars are being spent on DAZ/Poser type products from other sites, so what you're basically doing is the equivalent of trying to estimate the gas mileage that someone gets on their car by seeing how often they refill at a single gas station. As a result you miss all the times that the person refills at the station near their office or their kid's school, etc., which means that what you're really seeing is a buying pattern that reflects the current limitations of your own product line, not the buying power and consumption habits of the driver. Move the gas station and the equation may change radically and not necessarily in your favor.
As a case example, I personally spend a little more at DAZ now than I did a few years ago, so on your books it might seem like DAZ is doing a good job of capturing my CGI dollar. What you DON'T see is that I've actually tripled my spending on CG over the past three years, but the majority of that increase has gone to other sites, with Rendo, where I barely shopped at at all three years ago, now getting the bulk of it since they started Prime. If DAZ was offering more products similar to what I'm buying in the other PC at a comparable price DAZ would actually be capturing even more of my CGI dollars, but that's a sales opportunity that you can't see with the data you have.
We also didn't factor in these member's mortgage/rent payments, car payments, utilities expenses etc. My point being that that is data we don't have access to. Trust me I'd love to open up RDNA and Redno's books and have a peak. I would actually give my beard (temporarily) for that privilege. As it is we don't have an accurate or reliable way of gauging how much our customers spend at other sites.
So while you are correct, that data makes a difference. It isn't data we have access to, and we can only base our decisions off of the data we have.
Maybe the platinum club could be partly funded by a pseudo lottery system. People hate spending money, but they love throwing huge piles of cash for a miniscule chance to win. Maybe have a "platinum club ticket" people can buy, or if that's not allowed, assign it to a random product purchase for a chance to get a big pile of content each month. I personally won't buy it, but I bet others will. As long as the number of ticket purchases exceeds the cost of the free prize pile, that's free money that can then be used to offset the platinum club costs.
The coupon does work, but it is only for non-platinum club daz originals (currently the items over $3 in the original PC.) Sort DAZ originals by price, then jump to this number, and start searching there.
The catch to the PC plus is that in order to get a perk like the PA catalog, you will have to give up the $1.99 and $2.99 pricing. Instead you will have to take the price 70% off. Which means, a $16.95 list item would cost you a little over $5 instead of $1.99. The 79% you would see would only be for the two week intro period when the product has it's intro discount. After that, its back to 70%.
Oh, and the PA coupon does have a dollar amount attached to it. You have to spend at least $18 in a single order to use it. You can't just pick a $9.95 PA item from the PA's participating and apply the coupon.
Yes I know that. I was saying what I like about it but why I am not opting in at the moment.
Correct, after it is no longer a new release. Jack mentioned earlier that the new release period is 60 days.
The new release restriction is ONLY for PC items. There is no new release restriction if you use the coupon on an ordinary DAZ Original product.
Incorrect. What you're actually doing is basing things on the buying habits that you know of, and that's a very different thing. What you can't know is how many dollars are being spent on DAZ/Poser type products from other sites, so what you're basically doing is the equivalent of trying to estimate the gas mileage that someone gets on their car by seeing how often they refill at a single gas station. As a result you miss all the times that the person refills at the station near their office or their kid's school, etc., which means that what you're really seeing is a buying pattern that reflects the current limitations of your own product line, not the buying power and consumption habits of the driver. Move the gas station and the equation may change radically and not necessarily in your favor.
As a case example, I personally spend a little more at DAZ now than I did a few years ago, so on your books it might seem like DAZ is doing a good job of capturing my CGI dollar. What you DON'T see is that I've actually tripled my spending on CG over the past three years, but the majority of that increase has gone to other sites, with Rendo, where I barely shopped at at all three years ago, now getting the bulk of it since they started Prime. If DAZ was offering more products similar to what I'm buying in the other PC at a comparable price DAZ would actually be capturing even more of my CGI dollars, but that's a sales opportunity that you can't see with the data you have.
I think this is a valid and important point. I've spent a lot recently at that other club I won't mention and on other CGI software like Octane Render and Balcksmith3D Pro. I'd like to use DAZ content in Lightwave, Hitfilm and After Effects but it's just not possible. There's more to CGI than DAZ and they need to open up to that and embrace it otherwise others will take advantage of that and DAZ will have missed the opportunity to innovate.
Interesting thought. I wonder how long we could get away with this before the State of Utah comes knocking on our doors. Utah is a notorious anti-gambling state. We don't even have a state lottery. Oh poor Governor Herbert would probably have a heart attack.
We also didn't factor in these member's mortgage/rent payments, car payments, utilities expenses etc. My point being that that is data we don't have access to. Trust me I'd love to open up RDNA and Redno's books and have a peak. I would actually give my beard (temporarily) for that privilege. As it is we don't have an accurate or reliable way of gauging how much our customers spend at other sites.
So while you are correct, that data makes a difference. It isn't data we have access to, and we can only base our decisions off of the data we have.
Well, you could ask us -- guess that's not accurate or reliable enough? And then there's the problem that the people likely to answer are less than 30% of the PlatClub membership, and our buying patterns aren't indicative of the rest. :red:
I'm sure I remember seeing an Official DAZ Post™ way back when the new store was beginning to be half-useable again, that a specific slot on a product's store page for a sale end date was yet another thing the shiny new store software couldn't handle. Whether that's still true... :-/
As for the pricing question, I wouldn't object to a straightforward increase of the PC price. I agree with what someone said upthread somewhere that the %-off variable price is a bit of an off-putter. I've had to cut back quite a bit in 3D spending in the last year or so, but so far the annual PC membership is still worth it for me. I'm not sure if that would still be the case if the PC price wasn't fixed any more.
FWIW, I used to get very nearly every PC item every week as it came out; that's now changed to "most" only because of the Genesis2 items turning up. I don't have any of the G2 characters, and I've only bought a handful of other odds and ends that I can use with just the base figures.
Will I convert to try out PC+? Maybe next month, I definitely won't do it right away. I don't do "beta", for one thing, but also I'm still in the process of working out whether my particular buying habits would let me save more or less — yet again, this whole thing is way too complicated!
Its a stacking discount - 70% off first, then 30% off the remainder.
Simple example: 70% of $10.00 is $7.00, putting the new price at $3.00. 30% of $3.00 is $0.90, and the final price is $2.10. Total discount is $7.90 and the final percentage is 79%.
20+ years ago, shopping at JCP at Christmas, it took 4 sales clerks to get the store-wide half off, 50% off bedding, 30% off on new credit applications to come out correctly. The first three tries I got the bedding and $25.00 back. :-)
I've translated the new PC+ information and the FAQ from the first two posts of this thread to German language, in the third post of this thread. I thought that would be more useful than my previous blurb there. ;-)
Ich habe die PC+ Informationen und das FAQ auf Deutsch übersetzt. Ich hoffe, es hilft dem einen oder anderen.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewreply/627340/
I'm not clear on something: does the rotating 30% PA discount stack with the normal DAZ-original 30% discount on non-new buyout items? I thought the answer was yes, but using Mada's store as an example, it seems like most items are just a flat 30% off (except for Spring Cleaning items). It's not completely consistent though, so I'm not sure.
Also, and possibly separately, it looks like *new release* Daz Originals by PA's in the rotation are losing a discount somewhere. I see new Aiko items by Mada and FWArt (who are in the rotation) at just 30% (when they were 51% before I converted), while I see Aiko bundles and new Aiko items by Bobbie25 and gold tassel (not part of the rotation) as 51%.
Not sure which of these effects are intended or possibly just hiccups I should wait out.
My experience with PC+ so far....
- Converted to PC+
- Checked the Stonemason store and noticed the SciFi Bedroom was now 30percent off from 26.95. Now 18.95. Used my PA coupon and purchased it for 12.95. Very happy about that. I've had my eye on it for awhile. I still have the other coupon for DAZ originals.
- Downloaded the free DZWeazel which I love. Thank you DZ!!
- Downloaded the free conservatory.
- Checked out the PC items for a price comparison. Most are now $3-5 or so. Still, in my opinion, a very good discount. For myself, I don't mind paying a few dollars more.
- Noted the 51 percent off new release items. I like having the extra off the new releases, even if it's only for a day or two. I check the site every day for the new releases.
- Fast Grab still showing the same discounts, unless I read them wrong.
So the only thing I'm seeing is the rise in price on the PC items by a couple of dollars. I think I saw 77 percent off instead of 80 or is it 88? Forgot to write it down. So far I really don't have any complaints. It appears that all the stuff associated with PC+ was working correctly unless I missed something, which is entirely possible.
Not saying anything is good or bad, just what my experience has been so far.
Thanks.
EDIT TO ADD: I mispoke. I'm seeing 79 percent off on the PC items.
Ok, just had to edit the above post because it seems it didn't like the percent sign. Grrrrrrr
I'll need to look at this because they should be 51% off for both PC and PC+ members.
Well, the first thing I noticed after signing up ...
Many products in the Spring Cleaning Sales are no longer 80% ... they are now 30% off.
Not exactly what I was looking for. :)
Really? As PC+ I'm seeing about 86% on those. The math is working out too. Full price * .70 (30% DO) * .20 (80% sale).
Example http://www.daz3d.com/daz-victoria-4-sale/stellar-sniper
24.95 * .70 = 17.47 after DO 30%
17.47 * .20 = 3.49 after 80% sale
Really? As PC+ I'm seeing about 86% on those.
Indeed. Only a few are at 30 percent. The majority are 80 or 86.
Indeed. Only a few are at 30 percent. The majority are 80 or 86.
Yes ... the few I want! :D
But yes, most stuff is showing 80 to 86.
This is my experience so far as well. No complaints I can think of at the moment.
I'll need to look at this because they should be 51% off for both PC and PC+ members.
Good to know that it should maybe be yes, as that would be a nice perk.
Thanks for checking on the not-right intro discounts.
Indeed. Only a few are at 30 percent. The majority are 80 or 86.
Yes ... the few I want! :D
But yes, most stuff is showing 80 to 86.
What are you showing at 30%? I can't find any. lol
Yes ... the few I want! :D
But yes, most stuff is showing 80 to 86.
What are you showing at 30%? I can't find any. lol
On this page:
http://www.daz3d.com/pa-v4-and-m4-sale
Synthia, Vyla, Brogan, Mina, Echo, Julianna, Jillian, etc.
Basically everything by Countess/Silver or FWArt are showing as 30%
You can't see it?? Weirdness...
Oh that sale. I was looking at the DO V4/M4 ones. Whoops.
It looks like for some of them, the PC+ discount overwrote the PA sale discount.
Incorrect. What you're actually doing is basing things on the buying habits that you know of, and that's a very different thing. What you can't know is how many dollars are being spent on DAZ/Poser type products from other sites, so what you're basically doing is the equivalent of trying to estimate the gas mileage that someone gets on their car by seeing how often they refill at a single gas station. As a result you miss all the times that the person refills at the station near their office or their kid's school, etc., which means that what you're really seeing is a buying pattern that reflects the current limitations of your own product line, not the buying power and consumption habits of the driver. Move the gas station and the equation may change radically and not necessarily in your favor.
As a case example, I personally spend a little more at DAZ now than I did a few years ago, so on your books it might seem like DAZ is doing a good job of capturing my CGI dollar. What you DON'T see is that I've actually tripled my spending on CG over the past three years, but the majority of that increase has gone to other sites, with Rendo, where I barely shopped at at all three years ago, now getting the bulk of it since they started Prime. If DAZ was offering more products similar to what I'm buying in the other PC at a comparable price DAZ would actually be capturing even more of my CGI dollars, but that's a sales opportunity that you can't see with the data you have.
We also didn't factor in these member's mortgage/rent payments, car payments, utilities expenses etc. My point being that that is data we don't have access to. Trust me I'd love to open up RDNA and Redno's books and have a peak. I would actually give my beard (temporarily) for that privilege. As it is we don't have an accurate or reliable way of gauging how much our customers spend at other sites.
So while you are correct, that data makes a difference. It isn't data we have access to, and we can only base our decisions off of the data we have.
You could put up a poll and many would respond, and maybe you could extrapolate from there. My bigger fear is that that data too is not what you are seeking. Its probably more than accurate that DAZ is competitive and its the market that has lost some momentum. The average person is distracted and not focused on creating CG, yet they have the means. Just need to put the two together.
The coupon does work, but it is only for non-platinum club daz originals (currently the items over $3 in the original PC.) Sort DAZ originals by price, then jump to this number, and start searching there.
so then why are all the DAZ Original items i view always on sale? right now they are ALL 30% discounted - which renders them invalid for the $6 coupon...do you see the catch-22 there?
They have a 30% discount because that is the base discount for DAZ Originals when you are a PC member...?
Its a stacking discount - 70% off first, then 30% off the remainder.
Simple example: 70% of $10.00 is $7.00, putting the new price at $3.00. 30% of $3.00 is $0.90, and the final price is $2.10. Total discount is $7.90 and the final percentage is 79%.
20+ years ago, shopping at JCP at Christmas, it took 4 sales clerks to get the store-wide half off, 50% off bedding, 30% off on new credit applications to come out correctly. The first three tries I got the bedding and $25.00 back. :-)
ok...i forgot about the buisness accounting formula - my bad, but it still isn't a better deal...just sayin