Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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And I think that was poses (and maybe the titular spear).
That's right, poses and spear. So we need to go back further. There's the 2 sets of lingerie, each with an add-on texture. The last thing one might call skimpwear (and it's not very skimpy) would be Darkish for Emotions from last October.
I think the PC team needs a stern talking to. Maybe that's why they're losing money, not enough skimpwear.
Cruising through the PC items, the selection is rather diverse. I think DAZ is doing a pretty decent job in that area.
Taste is selective though. I look at most of the PC stuff and find it uninteresting these days. The men clothes seem to be all Robin Hood style or ancient warrior stuff, while the women's clothing are pretty casual contemporary. It's like shopping at JC Penny. The rest of the clothing seems to be repeats of old models... hoods, morphing dresses, etc. Been there; done that.
The props and environments are a different story. Quite a bit of diversity on that end. However, it really comes down to tastes and needs. I'm not a mech girl or sci fi girl, while others are not into the forlorn look. Everyone wants something different, so it can be hit or miss when it comes to making PC purchases.
For me, it's the Waiting Game for something to suit my tastes to pop into the PC catalog.
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/reign
Arguably Fantasy, but not skimpy.
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/summer-pleats
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/punky-pleats
Texture sets for a clothing set with a Long Sleeve top
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/summer-cazh
Textures for a basic Jeans and T-shirt set
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/forties-fatale-for-frivolous-forties
Texture set for 40's style skirt suit.
All coming *after* the Spear Maiden pose set.
That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some new contemporary stuff for G2M/Genesis Male, and some non-super-skimpy fantasy stuff for G2F/Genesis female.
That's right, poses and spear. So we need to go back further. There's the 2 sets of lingerie, each with an add-on texture. The last thing one might call skimpwear (and it's not very skimpy) would be Darkish for Emotions from last October.
I think the PC team needs a stern talking to. Maybe that's why they're losing money, not enough skimpwear.
I call this skimpware (disguised as swimsuits and lingerie):
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/beach-bunny
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/moyras-lingerie-boutique-tinseltown
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/lucilles-bikini-for-genesis-2-females
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/strapless-intimates-collection
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/intimates-collection
etc. etc. Poor old Vicky - her underwear draws must be stuffed after the last 3 months! Not strictly fantasy I agree but skimpy nonetheless.
Even Mike has one:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/fantasy-collar-set-for-genesis-1-2-males
Fantasy props:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/spear-maiden-for-olympia
Not so much but lots of fantasy costumes in the last six months.
Now you're just being ridiculous. How's this:
Skimpy: 7 items out of the last 240, including 1 swimsuit with 1 texture, 2 lingerie with 3 textures. I'll even toss in the one goth/club outfit and texture, so 9 items. Sorry, I refuse to count the Fantasy Collar set as skimpwear -- should I count a pair of boots or a motorcycle helmet as skimpwear too?
So you don't mean fantasy skimpwear, you mean you want to exclude all swimwear or undergarments, all accessories, boots, and ANYTHING fantasy-related. Let's throw out any practical fantasywear, too, even if it could be plausibly historical. Toss out the historical stuff, too, like the West Park nurse outfit or the Victorian maid or the Frivolous Forties. Hey, let's throw out the doctor outfit, too, and the bloody textures for any contemporary clothing. Toss out Neat Pleats, it's got a low neckline and a short skirt. How about all those floor-length gowns, are those too skimpy? Gee, all that's left clothing-wise is half a dozen jeans & t-shirt items. Or are those too casual?
I dislike all the skimpwear and impractical adventure outfits in this store and its competitors, but denigrating the PC offerings of the last 6 months as not much but fantasy costumes is IMHO completely unreasonable.
That's right, poses and spear. So we need to go back further. There's the 2 sets of lingerie, each with an add-on texture. The last thing one might call skimpwear (and it's not very skimpy) would be Darkish for Emotions from last October.
I think the PC team needs a stern talking to. Maybe that's why they're losing money, not enough skimpwear.
I call this skimpware (disguised as swimsuits and lingerie):
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/beach-bunny
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/moyras-lingerie-boutique-tinseltown
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/lucilles-bikini-for-genesis-2-females
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/strapless-intimates-collection
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/intimates-collection
etc. etc. Poor old Vicky - her underwear draws must be stuffed to overflowing over the past 3 months! Not strictly fantasy I agree but skimpy nonetheless. A disproportionate emphasis on that genre in PC in the last 3 months?
Even Mike has one:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/fantasy-collar-set-for-genesis-1-2-males
Fantasy props:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/spear-maiden-for-olympia
Not so much but lots of fantasy costumes in the last six months.
The morphing fantasy collar sets are usually textured to look like actual necklaces and neck pieces. Believe it or not it is rather versatile when in the hands of a great texture maker, though the promo does make it look like some sort of leather slave gear for guys. ;)
I can handle the overabundance of skimpy clothes and impractical armor, I was just pushed away by the lack of clothing for the older figures that was being created. Even for Genesis. Many vendors explained that the lack of compatibility for the legacy figures was because it was easier, and cheaper to make an outfit or skin texture for the new figures then for the older ones.
If so, where does this ease of creation help the consumer in the end?
If it is less effort, why is the cost of the end product just as much as or even more expensive then an outfit that has been made for the older and more difficult figures?
Maybe I misunderstand the business side of things but I thought that this finally made the $1.99 PC items worth their weight in coin? Less meant more for the customers who pay to have a little extra to get better deals in the store?
The older legacy items also had their place being Daz's so called ancient and outdated products. From a customer's point of view, why pay so much for items that the company does not feel are worth their time anymore.
The pricing just does not make sense, it has been this way for some time.
Raising the prices and changing the things that customers have come to enjoy from being a member of the privileged PC club may not go over well at all.
For some time now I; as a customer have been watching and wondering just what direction Daz is trying to go.
That's right, poses and spear. So we need to go back further. There's the 2 sets of lingerie, each with an add-on texture. The last thing one might call skimpwear (and it's not very skimpy) would be Darkish for Emotions from last October.
I think the PC team needs a stern talking to. Maybe that's why they're losing money, not enough skimpwear.
I call this skimpware (disguised as swimsuits and lingerie):
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/beach-bunny
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/moyras-lingerie-boutique-tinseltown
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/lucilles-bikini-for-genesis-2-females
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/strapless-intimates-collection
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/intimates-collection
etc. etc. Poor old Vicky - her underwear draws must be stuffed after the last 3 months! Not strictly fantasy I agree but skimpy nonetheless.
Even Mike has one:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/fantasy-collar-set-for-genesis-1-2-males
Fantasy props:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/spear-maiden-for-olympia
Not so much but lots of fantasy costumes in the last six months.
Now you're just being ridiculous. How's this:
Skimpy: 7 items out of the last 240, including 1 swimsuit with 1 texture, 2 lingerie with 3 textures. I'll even toss in the one goth/club outfit and texture, so 9 items. Sorry, I refuse to count the Fantasy Collar set as skimpwear -- should I count a pair of boots or a motorcycle helmet as skimpwear too?
So you don't mean fantasy skimpwear, you mean you want to exclude all swimwear or undergarments, all accessories, boots, and ANYTHING fantasy-related. Let's throw out any practical fantasywear, too, even if it could be plausibly historical. Toss out the historical stuff, too, like the West Park nurse outfit or the Victorian maid or the Frivolous Forties. Hey, let's throw out the doctor outfit, too, and the bloody textures for any contemporary clothing. Toss out Neat Pleats, it's got a low neckline and a short skirt. How about all those floor-length gowns, are those too skimpy? Gee, all that's left clothing-wise is half a dozen jeans & t-shirt items. Or are those too casual?
I dislike all the skimpwear and impractical adventure outfits in this store and its competitors, but denigrating the PC offerings of the last 6 months as not much but fantasy costumes is IMHO completely unreasonable.
Don't be so dramatic! When have I demanded skimpware was thrown out? Out of the 240 PC releases how many are garments? I pointed out that there were a lot of garments of that genre as opposed to everyday clothing in PC. I want everyday clothes (especially for Mike) and as this thread is about making PC pay for DAZ and PC members I'm stating what I prefer to buy. Take it or leave it. First you claim that there's hardly any skimpware released in the last 6 months and then I find a number of bikinis and lingerie in PC released in the last three months. I'm also not the only one or the first person in this thread to comment about the amount of PC fantasy costumes compared to other garments either.
Sad though I am, I did a count of the first two PC pages. 26 fantasy related garments and textures (I've assumed the cloak is orientated towards fantasy scenes.) 5 skimpware related garments and textures and 6 everyday clothes and textures (although I'm unsure whether 'Punky Pleats' really fits into the everyday clothing category but that's how I've categorised it.) If skimpware isn't prevalent then why are there almost as many cheesecake garments as there are everyday clothing on the first two PC pages?
I'm not saying less skimpware - knock yourself out if that's what you like - I'm no prude. I'm saying more of what I want please. The two aren't incompatible!
Skimpware...hah! - I thought it was "skimpwear"
Touchy subject to some...irresistible to others.
Hmm, I count 7 everyday clothes (plus 5 long dresses, which I suppose are too fancy to be called everyday), plus a set of jeans and t-shirt shaders.
So if you're calling 5 skimpwear items "prevalent", then 6 everyday clothes are even more prevalent.
I agree that everyday clothes tend to be in short supply in 3d content brokerages, but labeling "all clothes I don't want" as skimpwear is painting a completely unrealistic picture.
Is a discussion on whether or not there's too much 'skimpware' in the store really relevant in this thread.
You're right, probably not but I think I initially mentioned it in relation to my PC buying interests. What I'd buy more of it it became available and what doesn't interest me. Maybe DAZ could survey us to see what kind of products we'd like in PC/the store or maybe they can see by viewing our buying stats?
To change the subject, I noticed that when I stacked up items the cart didn't say any longer how much I might've saved if I'd joined PC+. I tried a few combinations but didn't see this info any more. Maybe I stacked the wrong things but they were from the Summer Stackup category. I'll try again later.
lol, maybe I'm thinking of stripped down software? Skimp warez might be lingerie stolen from the washing line and passed around illicitly?
I lived through this a couple of years ago. Best answer, just open your heart and wallet to the new changes. This is Daz's club, it will do as it wants.
Once you accept that fact and realize that what Daz really provides for your eight bucks a month is it's wonderful search and d/l system and a couple of usable freebies, it's still a reasonable deal.
It's just nothing special anymore.
I was outraged last time they changed the PC benefits in Daz's favor, I'll no doubt be outraged this time and I'll probably be outraged again next time.. But I keep giving them the eight bucks, have for years and years - and probably will until I die...
...at which point Daz will start dunning my daughter for a "remembrance" membership. :D
I think that regardless of what is done going forward, everything that is currently 1.99 needs to stay 1.99. I think more bad blood would be created by changing the pricing on existing PC items than by any other change being proposed; a PC Vault, if you will, where all previous stuff goes, then new stuff you can play with the price however. Maybe after being out a year or 2, PC items are moved to the 1.99 vault.
But raising the price on existing 1.99 will be the dog with the big teeth that does the biting.
I really think the base $1.99 items need to change -- but there should be a long warning period - at least 90 dayes, and preferably with a countdown clock.
Isn't that part of the PC membership agreement anyway? Remember the "discussions" back when the store changeover happened, and all the PC changes DAZ had to make.
Isn't that part of the PC membership agreement anyway? Remember the "discussions" back when the store changeover happened, and all the PC changes DAZ had to make.
I think it was 30 days notice
I noticed that some of the PA stores listed under PC+ where pretty thin
On discounted items. It's hardly a deal when only one or two items in
the store are actually discounted. I was starting to feel ripped off when
I went through the PA stores earlier. Hopefully, what I saw was just
the usual Magneto new discount blues.
I lived through this a couple of years ago. Best answer, just open your heart and wallet to the new changes. This is Daz's club, it will do as it wants.
Once you accept that fact and realize that what Daz really provides for your eight bucks a month is it's wonderful search and d/l system and a couple of usable freebies, it's still a reasonable deal.
It's just nothing special anymore.
I was outraged last time they changed the PC benefits in Daz's favor, I'll no doubt be outraged this time and I'll probably be outraged again next time.. But I keep giving them the eight bucks, have for years and years - and probably will until I die...
...at which point Daz will start dunning my daughter for a "remembrance" membership. :D
LOL Me too. I get all annoyed and bothered and stuff then drop by the store and ... 'Oh! Shiny!'
I wanted to post this again as many people may have missed it, and I think this is the best solution that I have seen here.
I would also like PAs and DAZ (for PC items) to rethink the ban on using coupons for newly released products. For me as well as many others, I see those new items going into wishlists to be bought during a later sale when the coupon would be valid. Banning the use of coupons on new items only postpones purchases. Being able to use them right away frees up some funds that will most likely be used to buy additional items along with the new product which will redistribute the monetary loss per item (e.g., Buying one product at $10 using the coupon reduces the vendors' income per product by $6. However, buying two products at $10 each reduces vendors' income per product by $3 each.)
This would also lessen the confusion regarding when the coupons can be used.
The last several sales, going back to snowballs and prior, have been overly complicated. And now this new PC+ seems to be like I'm suddenly in the middle of a worldwide spending competition.
Meters, power-ups, stack'em ups, bells, whistles, rewards, "buy three and get 50% off!" it all just seems like an even more commercialized version of NASCAR only instead of seeing who finishes first, it's like seeing who can attach the most patches to their clothing by buying the most stuff the fastest.
I've said this a few times already. The more complex it becomes, the less I buy. I only made the pre-summer thing to the halfway point, then I lost interest. I've got Aiko Pro 6 in my cart now with discounts, and I'm finding it very difficult to even find anything that doesn't make me wince in financial pain, let alone THREE of them.
I am perhaps wrong but it looks as if the PC+ is one step back...
Perhaps that we are going back to the days when the Platinum Club was not existing at DAZ and that everything was very expensive since 3D was not popularised yet.
Maybe not the place to ask, but . . .I would like to be able to thank him too.
Is there a trick to getting this great-looking model for free? It comes up full price on DZFire's page and in the cart.
Thanks!
Maybe not the place to ask, but . . .I would like to be able to thank him too.
Is there a trick to getting this great-looking model for free? It comes up full price on DZFire's page and in the cart.
Thanks!
It was said to be a time limited freebie and it was not free during more than three or four days. I think that it was already back to the full price on Sunday though I am not 100% sure. Anyway I have converted my PC account to PC+ on June 20 and I could get the weasel for free. I have tried to add it to my cart again just to see and it is no longer free...
It was said to be a time limited freebie and it was not free during more than three or four days. I think that it was already back to the full price on Sunday though I am not 100% sure. Anyway I have converted my PC account to PC+ on June 20 and I could get the weasel for free. I have tried to add it to my cart again just to see and it is no longer free...
Ah, okay. I just read this thread yesterday, so looks like I missed it. Thanks for the response.
I haven't posted for a while and am coming into this after the kickoff, with some 45+ pages. When I click on the information page for PC+ and review the facts, It indicates that DAZ is doing away entirely with $1.99 & $2.99 items in the PC+ membership?
So, at this point those that don't opt in can still purchase PC items for $1.99 and $2.99, but if this PC+ membership becomes the standard, doing away with the current PC program, then whether we're all in agreement with the change or not, we'll have an increase in price for the weekly PC releases.
Speaking for myself, the increase to $2.99 per item has already limited my buying. I'm on disability and being able to get the PC releases at a reduced price was the entire reason I joined. If the prices are going up, so that DAZ can be competitive, while I understand the reasoning, I find it hard to accept and will most probably end up dropping my membership and that would be a shame considering I've been a PC member for 9 years.
Until the Beta programs ends and the decision comes down, I'll hold off making any decision.
Thanks for allowing us to express out input. :)
A question for those who signed on for the beta: are any of the new sales that started this week actually stacking with the base discount? The few posts I've seen seem to indicate that the PC+ is actually cutting the discounts back to 30%, but is that happening across the board?
Yeah, one of the big problems I have with the whole spiel as laid out is the liberal use of extremely vague wording, specifically:
"Discount on significant selection of Premier Artist Stores each week (in addition to sale prices)*"
Given that in today's current spate of flash ads a "huge" selection of M6 items is 40 items, while the "select" selection of 80% off V5 item solicitation I received today is a whopping three items, "significant selection" can obviously mean whatever DAZ wants it to mean. 4 items each over six stores? 2 items out of three stores?
And meanwhile, the onslaught of locked, non-stacking sales at ridiculous discount prices continues, so the only real incentive to try PC+ is the twelve bucks worth of extra coupons I'd get in exchange for a commitment to pay 12 more. I used to consider 30% off a good sale price. However, I learned a good while back not to splurge unless it's at least 50% off for a PA product and 65% for a D.O., but DAZ seems determined to push those down even further to 60% and 80%.
Muscleman's store is applying properly, I think.
FWart isn't showing on all, but when you click on the individual items, they appear to be right. (and I picked up one earlier which stacked with the stack up sale)
I think more are stacking than aren't, but I'm sure there are enough glitches around to make it seem otherwise.
Ok so I had several items in my cart. Most of them the Victoria Birthday sale stuff. I went ahead and opted in for the beta platinum club + ( I am already a paid member) anyways, so I went to pay for my stuff and the prices changed! They went up! Some items were $1.99 each and went up to more than $2.00 to $3.00 something each. This is not fair. Had I known that would happen, I never would have joined the Beta plus. So why did the $1.99 items go up in price? And some of the other stuff? Sorry if other asked this and I missed any replies.
When you opt in to the PC Plus you won't see normal PC prices anymore. They are increase by a little but you get more bonuses in the form of GC. Read the first post of the thread for details on the added bonuses.
I understand how you feel. I didn't understand the changes either.
As someone posted earlier, ambiguity seems to be the rule.
I took purchasing power away from myself by not asking more questions before hitting the join button, but I honestly would not have thought the changes would be as severe as they are.
While I did this to myself, I can't help I feel I have lost a month of what I paid for.