Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program

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  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited December 1969

    One of the effects of all these sales on my buying habits is that when I check my wishlist and find that a product is on sale for 50-60% but I don't need it or can't afford it at that time and then a week later find the discount's gone up to 30% or there's no discount at all it tends to stay in my wishlist. Especially if it's a product that's older than a year. I've also learnt not to buy at full price or even at 30% off because when I've done this quite a few times I've discovered these products discounted by 50/60/80% only a few days later. I think I've learnt to take a hasta manana attitude to a lot of DAZ sales. If the certainties of PC pricing are removed as they seem to be with PC+ then it will become like the rollercoaster ride of regular sales and I don't think I have the time or patience to spend on figuring out these constantly fluctuating discounts.

  • diogenese19348diogenese19348 Posts: 927
    edited December 1969

    Superdog said:
    One of the effects of all these sales on my buying habits is that when I check my wishlist and find that a product is on sale for 50-60% but I don't need it or can't afford it at that time and then a week later find the discount's gone up to 30% or there's no discount at all it tends to stay in my wishlist. Especially if it's a product that's older than a year. I've also learnt not to buy at full price or even at 30% off because when I've done this quite a few times I've discovered these products discounted by 50/60/80% only a few days later. I think I've learnt to take a hasta manana attitude to a lot of DAZ sales. If the certainties of PC pricing are removed as they seem to be with PC+ then it will become like the rollercoaster ride of regular sales and I don't think I have the time or patience to spend on figuring out these constantly fluctuating discounts.

    That really is the problem. If I am paying DAZ $70 a year to be a member of a club, and I could have gotten the same items for the same or a better price simply by waiting for a sale, it becomes difficult to determine if I just threw $70 dollars away. $6 monthly coupons don't help much if they can only be used on items I can get a better discount on later.

    The flat price items insured you could never get a better price as a non-PC member, though you could get a better price as a member if you waited for a sale or a bundle.

    Lastly part of the fun of being in the PC club was the annual PC sale, which frankly has been disappointing the last two years.

    I'm not saying the changes aren't a better deal, I am saying there is no way to tell.

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited June 2014

    Well... for me, PC already pays itself by the fact that I get 5 (generally useful!) freebies out of it every month...

    I agree on the "too many sales", though.

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  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited December 1969

    lee_lhs said:
    Well... for me, PC already pays itself by the fact that I get 5 (generally useful!) freebies out of it every month...

    I agree on the "too many sales", though.

    Will the freebies still continue with PC+? I'm not sure on that point.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    edited December 1969

    Superdog said:
    lee_lhs said:
    Well... for me, PC already pays itself by the fact that I get 5 (generally useful!) freebies out of it every month...

    I agree on the "too many sales", though.

    Will the freebies still continue with PC+? I'm not sure on that point.

    First bullet in the first post:
    Gain access to five free new releases every month, just like the current membership.

    The ONLY thing that is being taken away is the $1.99 price items.

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    Well, this evening/tomorrow afternoon (depending on when things go up relative to my going to bed) will be the first real test to see how the higher PC+ prices affect my spending (assuming that I want at least half of the PC items offered.)

    Should be informative.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,085
    edited June 2014

    I'm not saying the changes aren't a better deal, I am saying there is no way to tell.

    But the one thing that's guaranteed is that, no matter if the changes are generally better or not, DAZ is going to get a huge deal of flack if they try to make changes to the existing PC program. :) Hence why this seems more like an attempt to do a runaround the whole issue. It's not a BAD deal, as long as you don't still have a lot of items that you want to buy in the PC library.

    In this case, I think the real problem is simply a badly mixed message. After all, how seriously can one take any argument based on the the lack of value being placed on PC items at 82-86% off when a significant chunk of same-age DO and PA catalogs have been running on sale for 80% off outside the PC library for going on a month now, let alone a whole month in which folks who weren't in the PC got freebies that were originally made for the PC? Unless a magic 3D Content Fairy suddenly appeared, waved her magic wand and paid off the cost of all of those items, it just doesn't mesh credibly with anything else that DAZ seems to be doing.

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  • AnuszczykAnuszczyk Posts: 47
    edited December 1969

    I just ran into something I hadn't realized before. In the original post, it says the PA coupon excludes new items. I didn't realize that new items could be part of the required $18 total, there just had to be some non-new items for it to discount. So, I put a new PA item for $9 into my cart that I was going to purchase anyway. Then, I added a non-new PA item that I've been putting off, which, after PC+ discount and $6 PA coupon, only cost me $3 instead of the $12 it would have cost me before PC+. The coupon applied and I checked out.

    I seriously doubt that this type of thing would line up month after month. However, this time, it worked out really well. I purchased something for $3 (a good value) that I wanted, but didn't think was worth the $12 retail price.

    That's pretty cool.

    Can a DAZ employee please let me know if this is how it's supposed to work?

    Thanks.
    JIm

  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited December 1969

    Anuszczyk said:
    I just ran into something I hadn't realized before. In the original post, it says the PA coupon excludes new items. I didn't realize that new items could be part of the required $18 total, there just had to be some non-new items for it to discount. So, I put a new PA item for $9 into my cart that I was going to purchase anyway. Then, I added a non-new PA item that I've been putting off, which, after PC+ discount and $6 PA coupon, only cost me $3 instead of the $12 it would have cost me before PC+. The coupon applied and I checked out.

    I seriously doubt that this type of thing would line up month after month. However, this time, it worked out really well. I purchased something for $3 (a good value) that I wanted, but didn't think was worth the $12 retail price.

    That's pretty cool.

    Can a DAZ employee please let me know if this is how it's supposed to work?

    Thanks.
    JIm

    Kind of, your PC+ discount can stack with the coupon. However, new PA items shouldn't count toward the 18 dollar minimum. I've updated the rule so that it won't any more.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,905
    edited December 1969

    DAZ doesn't operate in a vacuum. There's a reason for those sales- the other sites are running massive summer sales. They make adjustments based on what competitors were doing- if they're smart. It's like watching two gas stations on opposite sides of the intersection, juggling the gas prices.

    People have been asking for PA items to be included in the PC Club. DAZ delivered that, and I don't expect everything else to stay the same for the same price. I think it needs to be give and take on BOTH sides- the company and the customers. They're making the attempt to give us what many people have asked for, and a 70% discount isn't anything to sneeze it. It's an entire catalog of Fast Grab equivalents. It may change my buying habits, but only to curb spending and get the best buy at the best time.

    I don't mind the stacking discounts as long as DAZ identifies which stores are PC+, like they did this past week. It was easy to shop. I do feel it may not work out in their favor though- by asking people to buy products to get discounts- unless there is a wide variety of products from which to choose AND IN ALL PRICE RANGES. The summer promo has done okay in that regard IMO but a few more $6-$9 options would be nice.

  • AnuszczykAnuszczyk Posts: 47
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    Anuszczyk said:
    I just ran into something I hadn't realized before. In the original post, it says the PA coupon excludes new items. I didn't realize that new items could be part of the required $18 total, there just had to be some non-new items for it to discount. So, I put a new PA item for $9 into my cart that I was going to purchase anyway. Then, I added a non-new PA item that I've been putting off, which, after PC+ discount and $6 PA coupon, only cost me $3 instead of the $12 it would have cost me before PC+. The coupon applied and I checked out.

    I seriously doubt that this type of thing would line up month after month. However, this time, it worked out really well. I purchased something for $3 (a good value) that I wanted, but didn't think was worth the $12 retail price.

    That's pretty cool.

    Can a DAZ employee please let me know if this is how it's supposed to work?

    Thanks.
    JIm

    Kind of, your PC+ discount can stack with the coupon. However, new PA items shouldn't count toward the 18 dollar minimum. I've updated the rule so that it won't any more.

    Well, to be perfectly honest, that will probably be the last time I use the PA Coupon. When this happened, I thought "Hey, maybe this will be useful after all." There's just no way I'm going to root around in the PA stores to find $18 worth of non-new stuff so I can save $6 when I would have saved $5.40 if I had bought them when they were new. I've only been active here for a couple of years, but I've seen enough flash sales, March Madness sales, etc. to know that $6 off an $18 purchase is not worth the trouble. When I thought I could find an older item to make up for the difference between a new item I wanted and $18 minimum, that sounded a little better.

    Anyway, thanks for answering me so quickly.

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited June 2014

    That's sad. I thought that the $18 rule was okay in itself, but if you go and make it "$18 of olkd content from the PA, it kind of doesn't work for me.

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,905
    edited June 2014

    Interesting- look at the amount shown for what the PC+ saved me. It should be the entire amount.

    DAZ really has to get their act together and get this web site functioning right. It degrades trust immensely when there is no validity in what the pages are showing. Obviously, since my total is 0.00, the entire amount of $8.95 has been saved- not some bogus number of $6.27.

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  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited June 2014

    Novica said:
    Interesting- look at the amount shown for what the PC+ saved me. It should be the entire amount.

    DAZ really has to get their act together and get this web site functioning right. It degrades trust immensely when there is no validity in what the pages are showing. Obviously, since my total is 0.00, the entire amount of $8.95 has been saved- not some bogus number of $6.27.

    That is compared to a non PC+ member who would have saved the difference between what you saved 6.27 (or whatever it was) and the total price of the item. Basically if you weren't a PC+ member you still would have saved on that item, just not nearly as much.

    I even just did a check. Non PC members pay $6.27 for that product because it is on intro 30%, so the "PC saved you x" is actually correct.

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  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited December 1969

    I'm not saying the changes aren't a better deal, I am saying there is no way to tell.

    But the one thing that's guaranteed is that, no matter if the changes are generally better or not, DAZ is going to get a huge deal of flack if they try to make changes to the existing PC program. :) Hence why this seems more like an attempt to do a runaround the whole issue. It's not a BAD deal, as long as you don't still have a lot of items that you want to buy in the PC library.

    In this case, I think the real problem is simply a badly mixed message. After all, how seriously can one take any argument based on the the lack of value being placed on PC items at 82-86% off when a significant chunk of same-age DO and PA catalogs have been running on sale for 80% off outside the PC library for going on a month now, let alone a whole month in which folks who weren't in the PC got freebies that were originally made for the PC? Unless a magic 3D Content Fairy suddenly appeared, waved her magic wand and paid off the cost of all of those items, it just doesn't mesh credibly with anything else that DAZ seems to be doing.

    I think the last point you make is what I find frustrating about PC generally. I know we get PC prices for new releases which is great but when there are more and more general sales where content is 50-80% off then I wonder what's the value in PC membership? The $6 coupon can be useful as recent DO content, including bundles, moves out of the "new" category but I increasingly find it takes me longer to find something to use it on.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    Interesting- look at the amount shown for what the PC+ saved me. It should be the entire amount.

    DAZ really has to get their act together and get this web site functioning right. It degrades trust immensely when there is no validity in what the pages are showing. Obviously, since my total is 0.00, the entire amount of $8.95 has been saved- not some bogus number of $6.27.


    I just ignore that — it never corresponds with any other difference between numbers shown on the page, and it's never worked right since the day the feature was introduced. It's fairly obvious there's some part of the discounting process that it doesn't take into account. I don't know why they bother, really... :-/
  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    edited December 1969

    Superdog said:
    The $6 coupon can be useful as recent DO content, including bundles, moves out of the "new" category but I increasingly find it takes me longer to find something to use it on.

    The $6 coupon can still be used on new DO's, just not new PC items.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    edited December 1969

    Novica said:
    Interesting- look at the amount shown for what the PC+ saved me. It should be the entire amount.

    DAZ really has to get their act together and get this web site functioning right. It degrades trust immensely when there is no validity in what the pages are showing. Obviously, since my total is 0.00, the entire amount of $8.95 has been saved- not some bogus number of $6.27.


    I just ignore that — it never corresponds with any other difference between numbers shown on the page, and it's never worked right since the day the feature was introduced. It's fairly obvious there's some part of the discounting process that it doesn't take into account. I don't know why they bother, really... :-/

    Or, as Jared explained, it could be correct.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    Ah, I see.

    If I misunderstood it in exactly the same way Novica (and how many others?) did, though, maybe that points to something that might need rephrasing? It's especially unobvious that the figure is actually right when there's a lot going on in the cart — discounts, special offers, coupons etc. — complicating the picture.

  • DarkRiderDLMCDarkRiderDLMC Posts: 561
    edited December 1969

    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    And for those who have 99% of the back catalog they want/need, the giving back part is mostly meaningless.

    This week's PC stuff should be going up in a few hours. We'll see.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:
    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    And for those who have 99% of the back catalog they want/need, the giving back part is mostly meaningless.

    This week's PC stuff should be going up in a few hours. We'll see.

    there's 4 new PC items up now.

  • DarkRiderDLMCDarkRiderDLMC Posts: 561
    edited December 1969

    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    I just used my DO coupon and got two SWAM hairstyles. Do I have more than enough hair - yes. But that and the freebies more than make up the eight bucks. I didn't use my coupon last month.

    As a Older version Poser user, there is much Pc stuff I can't use - but all that said, the Pc may not be a great deal or even a really good one, but it's not a really bad deal either.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,085
    edited December 1969

    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    I just used my DO coupon and got two SWAM hairstyles. Do I have more than enough hair - yes. But that and the freebies more than make up the eight bucks. I didn't use my coupon last month.

    As a Older version Poser user, there is much Pc stuff I can't use - but all that said, the Pc may not be a great deal or even a really good one, but it's not a really bad deal either.

    Can you EVER have too much hair? I must have thirty variations on the basic bob cut alone... and at the crazy-low prices a lot of it's at right now, it's hard to resist.

    Er, they are still selling for around $3.50 each if you switch to the PC +, right?

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:
    Spit said:
    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    And for those who have 99% of the back catalog they want/need, the giving back part is mostly meaningless.

    This week's PC stuff should be going up in a few hours. We'll see.

    there's 4 new PC items up now.


    Thanks! All four in my cart. Hey it's not bad, not bad at all.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:
    jakiblue said:
    Spit said:
    You're forgetting the 30% intro discount that would apply to the new PC releases.

    But yes, prices are (slightly) increased. 1.99 isn't viable, and this is an attempt at easing that. Giving with one hand and taking with another was used earlier.. which I guess is kinda true..but it's better than just taking with both hands ;)

    Yeah, but it's always good to remember that the givin' and takin' goes both ways. We give Daz money every month. Take away enough and we don't. Just thought equilibrium couldn't hurt.

    And for those who have 99% of the back catalog they want/need, the giving back part is mostly meaningless.

    This week's PC stuff should be going up in a few hours. We'll see.

    there's 4 new PC items up now.


    Thanks! All four in my cart. Hey it's not bad, not bad at all.

    what prices are you getting for them for the PC+? (just curious)

  • SassyWenchSassyWench Posts: 602
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:

    what prices are you getting for them for the PC+? (just curious)

    The 2 textures sets and the poses are each $2.30 and the Electrocar is $3.56. Not bad at all IMO.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:

    what prices are you getting for them for the PC+? (just curious)

    The 2 textures sets and the poses are each $2.30 and the Electrocar is $3.56. Not bad at all IMO.

    well, that's pretty good. 31cents and 57cents increase. Hmm..

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,675
    edited December 1969

    I can speak for myself that the new PC Club prices will curb my present spending which Ahem, may be a good thing. It is not that I do not think the prices for some items are fair. It just means that I was more inclined to impulse buy content when I got it for 1.99.

    Now I'm more inclined to wait until I need it or it goes on sale to make the same purchase. I am patient. I do already have many items, I have yet to render, so waiting isn't an issue.

    I do like the PC club, and consider the items properly priced. Just saying for me, what I might throw in the cart on a whim, will most likely require more consideration now.

  • SassyWenchSassyWench Posts: 602
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:
    jakiblue said:

    what prices are you getting for them for the PC+? (just curious)

    The 2 textures sets and the poses are each $2.30 and the Electrocar is $3.56. Not bad at all IMO.

    well, that's pretty good. 31cents and 57cents increase. Hmm..

    I usually buy them when they first come out anyway, It`s only an extra $2 and change. For me it`s a fair trade off to keep the PC viable. So yes, if you buy them new, and then factor in the new PC+ perks, it balances out. For me, at least.

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