Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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3x is not a little ... just for clarification ...
3x is not a little ... just for clarification ...
I said this earlier in the thread, but I think it bears repeating.
Granted, if the original price was $10, then yes.. 3x would be a massive amount. However, since the original price was so low, 3x is actually quite modest. Also, 3x is the very worst case - that's essentially the bigger items in the PC with the list price of 16.95. Textures, poses, etc work out at $3.29 which is a lot less of an increase.
As can be seen, the new releases will basically feature two price points of $3.56 and $2.30 (using the current 16.95/10.95 list price points)... which again, doesn't fall under the "3x increase" statement.
I said this earlier in the thread, but I think it bears repeating.
Granted, if the original price was $10, then yes.. 3x would be a massive amount. However, since the original price was so low, 3x is actually quite modest. Also, 3x is the very worst case - that's essentially the bigger items in the PC with the list price of 16.95. Textures, poses, etc work out at $3.29 which is a lot less of an increase.
As can be seen, the new releases will basically feature two price points of $3.56 and $2.30 (using the current 16.95/10.95 list price points)... which again, doesn't fall under the "3x increase" statement.
Then why not make things simple and just increase prices to those, I keep thinking of trying out the new PC+ but it just seems much to complicated to bother, and then of course there's the fact that with some sales non PC members are getting things cheaper.
Are there any 'big' sets due to be released in July, or is the car thing one of the more expensive PC items likely to be released?
I said this earlier in the thread, but I think it bears repeating.
Granted, if the original price was $10, then yes.. 3x would be a massive amount. However, since the original price was so low, 3x is actually quite modest. Also, 3x is the very worst case - that's essentially the bigger items in the PC with the list price of 16.95. Textures, poses, etc work out at $3.29 which is a lot less of an increase.
As can be seen, the new releases will basically feature two price points of $3.56 and $2.30 (using the current 16.95/10.95 list price points)... which again, doesn't fall under the "3x increase" statement.
Then why not make things simple and just increase prices to those, I keep thinking of trying out the new PC+ but it just seems much to complicated to bother, and then of course there's the fact that with some sales non PC members are getting things cheaper.
Are there any 'big' sets due to be released in July, or is the car thing one of the more expensive PC items likely to be released?
I guess it's an option to just fix prices, but then we lose things like the intro discount on new releases. It also means we would lose the ability to put out items which are smaller/bigger in size to the 'norm'. For example, if I wanted one day to do a nice little set of say a couple of chairs or something, and put them out at 4.95.. then PC+ would get them on intro at 1.25, and 1.79 regularly. This flexibility would be excellent IMHO. If we just have fixed prices, I have to make them into a pack which is on par with the usual pack size/content.
And yea each week we have at least one 16.95 item - so yes, they'll be a few 3.56 items coming down the line during the beta.
You know what, I was always buying new PC items very quickly before the beta. I will just leave them in the store now...
Then why not make things simple and just increase prices to those, I keep thinking of trying out the new PC+ but it just seems much to complicated to bother, and then of course there's the fact that with some sales non PC members are getting things cheaper.
Are there any 'big' sets due to be released in July, or is the car thing one of the more expensive PC items likely to be released?
I guess it's an option to just fix prices, but then we lose things like the intro discount on new releases. It also means we would lose the ability to put out items which are smaller/bigger in size to the 'norm'. For example, if I wanted one day to do a nice little set of say a couple of chairs or something, and put them out at 4.95.. then PC+ would get them on intro at 1.25, and 1.79 regularly. This flexibility would be excellent IMHO. If we just have fixed prices, I have to make them into a pack which is on par with the usual pack size/content.
And yea each week we have at least one 16.95 item - so yes, they'll be a few 3.56 items coming down the line during the beta.
So the top price for PC items won't be more than $3.56?
Then why not make things simple and just increase prices to those, I keep thinking of trying out the new PC+ but it just seems much to complicated to bother, and then of course there's the fact that with some sales non PC members are getting things cheaper.
Are there any 'big' sets due to be released in July, or is the car thing one of the more expensive PC items likely to be released?
I guess it's an option to just fix prices, but then we lose things like the intro discount on new releases. It also means we would lose the ability to put out items which are smaller/bigger in size to the 'norm'. For example, if I wanted one day to do a nice little set of say a couple of chairs or something, and put them out at 4.95.. then PC+ would get them on intro at 1.25, and 1.79 regularly. This flexibility would be excellent IMHO. If we just have fixed prices, I have to make them into a pack which is on par with the usual pack size/content.
And yea each week we have at least one 16.95 item - so yes, they'll be a few 3.56 items coming down the line during the beta.
So the top price for PC items won't be more than $3.56?
During intro period - later it's 30% more.
And in the PC forum Jack offered the idea to for example add more clothing textures in one package and "adjust" the price accordingly.
*scared*
I guess it's an option to just fix prices, but then we lose things like the intro discount on new releases. It also means we would lose the ability to put out items which are smaller/bigger in size to the 'norm'. For example, if I wanted one day to do a nice little set of say a couple of chairs or something, and put them out at 4.95.. then PC+ would get them on intro at 1.25, and 1.79 regularly. This flexibility would be excellent IMHO. If we just have fixed prices, I have to make them into a pack which is on par with the usual pack size/content.
And yea each week we have at least one 16.95 item - so yes, they'll be a few 3.56 items coming down the line during the beta.
So the top price for PC items won't be more than $3.56?
During intro period - later it's 30% more.
And in the PC forum Jack offered the idea to for example add more clothing textures in one package and "adjust" the price accordingly.
*scared*
I offered the idea in response to a comment made the PC texture packs 'only' contain two options.. compared to DO items which contain 4/5 (I believe). If customers want more in a single PC item, we can certainly do that.. but it shouldn't be a shock if we then increase the price in this situation. We've kept the texture packs to 2 options for exactly the reason to keep prices low, and I doubt that will change anytime soon.
I'm not setting in stone that 3.56 is the top price ever, no.. just that in general, new items will around this sort of price. But it wont be the case where one week every item will be $6.. there will always be varied selection of content, and as a result, prices.
This what I really don't like the inconsistency, all the ifs, the fact that at any time we might see a hike in prices so all of a sudden the average price even on release will be nearer $6 even for a couple of textures.
And thanks Keria I'd forgotton that the prelease prices wouldn't remain.
Sorry but if they change to this I'm out really feels as if the PC has lost it worth and purpose, I can't do with all the jiggery pockery that comes to shopping here any more.
Greetings,
So if the PC+ in this form becomes the default (which isn't a guarantee) go month-to-month once your membership is up, and set a reminder about 5 days before the PC charge is to hit to re-evaluate your situation. Spend 15 minutes each month deciding if the PC is still worth it to you, and as soon as it's not, cancel.
Personally I doubt that prices will rise like you are describing. Seriously, it's been TEN YEARS, I think the PC at least is entitled to some benefit of the doubt on price increases. (Note that I specify the PC, because I know folks have issues with the broader DAZ, but the folks managing the PC have been seriously good to members for ten years...that deserves a little trust given back, IMO. If the Value thing bugs you, it might help to know that for a Very Long Time, no items actually moved into the Value selection. I'm not actually sure more than a handful of new releases ever actually did; I know some older refits got placed in there when they were split out from their bundle...but VERY few new releases as far as I know.)
If prices go up so that you're seeing stuff that isn't worth it to you at $28.95 base price ($6.09 after 79% discount) on a week-to-week basis, then it's definitely not worth sticking around, but at the least you'll have a long time before that happens.
I personally just don't see it happening. Not that there wouldn't possibly BE some sets that are $6.09 at intro (which would be cool, because they'd probably be REALLY epic sets), but that they won't be the majority, or even close. I think they've earned the trust to believe that. If others don't, then I'm also fairly confident that everyone'll have an available out when they do make significant program changes.
-- Morgan
To get to $6 on intro, the list price would be 28.95.. that would have to be one hell of a texture pack.. so no, in reality, the likelihood of that happening is very remote.
This.
New coupon and discounts on PA items seems to be more than worth the tradeoff in PC (item) prices increases. I think this new arrangement would be beneficial for all (assuming sales of PA items generally surpass losses due to discounts).
So I've been thinking more and more about this over the last couple of days. Here's what I'm thinking: (if anyone is interested...:D )
I was unaware that the 1.99 price hadn't changed in ten years until I saw it written here in the thread. Wow. That's incredible. And yes, I do agree that ok, PC prices should go up. I get that. I really do.
Two things concern me the most tho about a price increase. While I agree with a price increase (i'll say it again), how will this affect the actual product? For example, will it still be a Hair for V4 as one product, a hair for Genesis as another product, texture addons for that hair as another product, and perhaps a hair for Genesis 2 as yet another product? And all of them coming in at approx $6 each? (increasing slightly when the intro period is over). Or for that $6 will it be the hair with fits for V4, Gen, Gen2 as ONE product and perhaps an add on of textures as another product for $6?
Will it be a dress for whichever figure with ONE texture for $6? Or will there be a few more textures in it?
Do you get where I'm going with this? Sometimes, I'd see the hair for one figure, another fit in another package etc and think "why on earth can't they just put them together instead of splitting into 3/4 products??" Then I'd be "ah well, it's only $2 - or $2.60 with exchange rate depending - so no problem".
Or there'd be an outfit for a figure with no textures at all, except the base one which generally is a bland olive green flood fill. And THEN afterwards, the texture addons would come flooding in. So for $2, I'm ok with an outfit with NO textures cos I know more will show up later at the same small price.
But at an increase in price, will it affect what comes in the product???? Will outfits be slighter bigger (more textures etc)? Will hairs be slighter bigger (more fits, more textures etc).
Note I'm NOT referring to environments/props in this scenario. Petipet and Jack's environments/props are full big products in the majority and well worth more than the 1.99 I'm basically thinking about things like outfits and hairs.
edit: OH. Well. Kerya and Jack kinda discussed all this already above. :sigh: I totally missed it. :blush:
Not for all ... maybe for you - but please don't generalize from you to all.
Uhm ... you joined in 2012 - I joined in 2006 ...
Trust?
Daz is a company that is famous for blunders ...
Yes, it is famous for nice staff too.
Nice staff that had to stave off the waves after management blunders of enormous dimensions.
Trust?
OK, tentative trust because now they created a beta testing period instead of just plonking the change down on us - but only tentative.
Nothing is set in stone though - there could be times where we add bumper content, but it's been highlighted in this thread that people want consistency.. so I very much doubt anything will change at least during the beta. We'll continue to offer a similar selection of content as we've always done, to help people compare the two.
Not for all ... maybe for you - but please don't generalize from you to all.
I agree with you, Kerya...
Sorry but I am far from being filled with enthusiasm.
Uhm ... you joined in 2012 - I joined in 2006 ...
Trust?
Daz is a company that is famous for blunders ...
Yes, it is famous for nice staff too.
Nice staff that had to stave off the waves after management blunders of enormous dimensions.
Trust?
OK, tentative trust because now they created a beta testing period instead of just plonking the change down on us - but only tentative.
Exactly.
And the lovely PC staff are employed by Daz they have no real control if Daz decide to hike prices no on can do anything.
And just for the record I have said for ages that PC prices need to rise, its the mish mash of conditions I object to and the % instead of a set price, or a scale of set prices.
Exactly.
And the lovely PC staff are employed by Daz they have no real control if Daz decide to hike prices no on can do anything.
And just for the record I have said for ages that PC prices need to rise, its the mish mash of conditions I object to and the % instead of a set price, or a scale of set prices.
So just to make sure I'm understanding you, you want a flat price for everything, regardless of product type?
Exactly.
And the lovely PC staff are employed by Daz they have no real control if Daz decide to hike prices no on can do anything.
And just for the record I have said for ages that PC prices need to rise, its the mish mash of conditions I object to and the % instead of a set price, or a scale of set prices.
So just to make sure I'm understanding you, you want a flat price for everything, regardless of product type?
No I understand the need for the different price tiers, I just don't like the uncertainty of what is being proposed, the % thing leaves too much open to change without any need to inform members or give notice its going to happen.
Scorpio: your answer ended up inside the quotation ... just a hint.
Personally I would prefer a flat price for everything.
As it is now, sometimes the 1.99 thingie is not really big and sometimes it is quite big - this way it evens out.
In the future the not so big thingies will be more expensive and the quite big thingies will be much more expensive.
DAZ, do whatever you must do with PC - as long as you ++ don't make it as complicated as your sales ++ DON'T double the prices for PC items ++ keep up the excellent quality, and ++ don't offer too much skimpwear, I'll stay a PC member.
Well - I just looked up my PC account page ... Expiration Date: August 13, 2015 ...
Looks like I will stay for some time.
Will I buy things?
We will see.
Not for all ... maybe for you - but please don't generalize from you to all.
How about, "a lot of people"? For anyone (can I get away with it here?) that buys a lot of PA stuff the benefits are clear.
EDIT* ...and not to mention I used the word "think", so why be so testy? I was leaving plenty of room for those that don't agree.
Nothing is set in stone though - there could be times where we add bumper content, but it's been highlighted in this thread that people want consistency.. so I very much doubt anything will change at least during the beta. We'll continue to offer a similar selection of content as we've always done, to help people compare the two.
I had to leave the PC some months ago but I hoped to rejoin it someday. The new pricing has me worried though. I always thought that the PC items contained less content than similarly priced regular products to make the $1.99 price possible and to make it less of a deal at regular price to non-PC members. If the price increase won't also bring the change in content than I probably won't be rejoining any time soon. I'm not saying PC does not have quality items, but that there is less of that quality content in each pack than in the regular products from the similar price range.
Here is what I mean...
Compare:
> a PC item by Sarsa costing $10.95 containing two texture options for an outfit: http://www.daz3d.com/wanderer
with:
> a DO item by Sarsa costing $10.95 containing four texture options for an outfit: http://www.daz3d.com/elven-grove-outfit-textures
DOs more often than other items end up on sale, often at 65% off, 70% off or even 80% off. Come such a sale the DO item would cost $3.8 (at 65% off) and PC item (let's say it's past the 60 day intro period) would cost $3.3 (at 70% off). Which one is a better deal? 4 textures for $3.8 or two textures for $3.3? You also have to remember that usually the rule was that the additional discounts don't work, or rather shouldn't work on PC items (PC Anniversary being an exception), so said PC item wouldn't be discounted any farther.
My point is, if the price does not reflect the difference in content than what's the point? How would than PC items be a better deal than DO items? I could live with a price increase but only if the amount/quality of content would increase as well, otherwise I couldn't justify investing in the PC. The environment sets' pricing I can probably live with as it is now but clothing, textures and hair certainly not (since price does not reflect content). I'm talking about regular prices here (when they were $1.99 items I didn't mind the disparity in pricing between PC items and regular items). If the 70% off is meant to allow for more fair pricing than I think the regular price of the PC items should me more fair as well.
Tarina Kivi, I don't see any difference in quality. A shop as big as DAZ can do it with a mixed calculation.
Sorry I did not make myself clear enough. I'm not talking about quality but quantity, and it probably does not pertain to all PC items. In the case of textures however for $10.95 if it's a DO you get four textures and if it's a PC item you get two. In case of a 65% off sale of DOs the difference between an old PC item and a discounted DO would be insignificant (DO would be a bit more expensive) but that DO would also give you two more textures than the PC one. If the PC item is $1.99 the lower price makes up for the difference in content, when said PC item is only 70% off it does not.
Just so everyone knows, I do appreciate the quality of the PC items. : ) I did not want for anyone to feel slighted or something, I just wanted to share my observation.
DOH - thanks Kerya I've edited the post.
" Trust?
Daz is a company that is famous for blunders ... "
FOR sure - can't count how many and it goes on and on
I have said it in the past if any company can shoot them self in the foot Daz will !