Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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I am one of the lower budget ones and the stacking has not helped me out in anyway since I can not afford all that has to be bought to get the good deals. The PA coupon from last month I did not get to spend I might be able to make use of it this month since I have longer to budget. I do like the PC coupon and it being able to be used on the PC items.
When I first joined PC+ I tried all the stacking stuff and quickly realized it would not work for me. I just don't have that much disposable cash for what is at the moment a hobby. Just like I rarely if ever take advantage of the buy so many of the new releases get so much off the older items. However these sales must be working for DAZ as they keep having them.
I will wait patiently for the larger sales in the fall and in March as that's really where I Spend most of my budget anyway that and on PC items when they suit what I need.
I think the OP meant that people native or familiar to slang and common marketing phrases used in the United States and the confusion generated by making literate translations. It was too broad a brush to just assume language is a discriminator, Politically Correct point taken. I don't think the OP meant any insult though.
Agreed, as the poster herself doesn't speak English as a first language.
Seconding this. I have never spent enough in a month at R to trigger the bonus, and the bonus itself is trivial. One item at 30% off saves me more that that, and I don't have to spend anything the month before, nor do I have to wait a month for the reward.
Although I've triggered the "bonus" about 18 times in the 14 1/2 years I've been a member/buyer at that site, as Mike said, the amount is so trivial, it's almost not worth it to spend that much every month to get that minimal reward. In May this year they actually had 3 rewards, depending on how much you spent. I was so unexcited by the $2.27 I earned, I didn't remember until 2 days ago, the last day of the month, that I still had it in my account. That said, however, I'm more apt to use one of their coupons offered via email on sale items in my Wishlist, which I'm slowly but surely weeding out.
My biggest complaint about DAZ's recent sales is the need to make a purchase before being able to get a small selected group of items, from a small selected group of PAs, at a special discount. That just doesn't sit well with me. As far as the new PC+, I like it, but I'm a long time member/buyer here, so the raise in cost of $1.99 PC items doesn't bother me, because I probably have all of those back catalog items I'd ever want. For newer members, who haven't been PC members long enough to buy up everything they want at $1.99, I can see them being put off by that aspect of the PC+. To me, having that coupon available for use on PA items, as we had in the old DAZ store years ago, is a huge plus. Whether or not a specific PA's catalog is available at a time when I'd like one of their "new" items, well I'll just have to wing it, but as I stated much earlier in this thread, if we knew the date an item appeared in the store, it gives us an idea of whether or not an item will no longer be "new" while that PA's catalog is available for the $6 PA coupon.
Just my 2¢ FWIW.
I think the OP meant that people native or familiar to slang and common marketing phrases used in the United States and the confusion generated by making literate translations. It was too broad a brush to just assume language is a discriminator, Politically Correct point taken. I don't think the OP meant any insult though.
Agreed, as the poster herself doesn't speak English as a first language.
Also, the correctly translated first sentence would not end with "speak and write good English", but "speak and write English well". The word for well and good means the same in Conny&my; native language.
It's not meaning that English is the "good" language, or meant offensive, just referring to the language skill needed to understand the phrasing of sales here. The vocabulary required is not exactly taught in school. :-)
If you ever try using google trans, you know what I mean. :-)
I'm finding it's not working out, as expected, because I already own the products that are featured as being further discounted when you buy x, y, or z (or all three.)
Hmmm...I like the idea of reward points that are immediately available on your next purchase. Cool! I'd spend more. There's not much in this setup that gets me to purchase, other than the two coupons, because I own so much. That was anticipated and mentioned in the beginning of the thread, and that is indeed how it is turning out a few weeks later.
I do want to thank the vendors who are graciously helping out and participating in stacking, for those who don't already own the products. We hope it works out for you, too. :) I'm curious, as we haven't heard from any participating vendors. (Edit- meaning, on how it's working out for them.)
I am one of the lower budget ones and the stacking has not helped me out in anyway since I can not afford all that has to be bought to get the good deals.
Seconded here. I've had to cut back quite a bit on 3D spending for the last year or so — I'm still buying at least something most weeks, but I'm putting a lot more big stuff into my wishlist "for later" than I used to. (I think the biggest item I've bought in the last year is the Carrara 8.5 upgrade.) I just plain don't spend enough any more to get the best out of the PC+ offers.
Added complication: until the recent V6 offer, I'd bought maybe a handful of Genesis2 items, none of them major. So, all these great deals in the store for the huge crowd of Genesis2 characters? I just don't have any use for them about 95% of the time. I am buying some small G2 goodies now, but I can't see me ever "buying again" all the excellent and still working perfectly well characters and other major add-ons I already have for Genesis1.
Richtig, genau so meinte ich das liebe lee_lhs.
Ich muß alles über Google übersetzen und weiß auch nicht, ob Google alles richtig übersetzt - ansch. nicht, denn sonst wäre hier nicht etwas über Beleidigung etc. aufgekommen.
Was ich jedoch meinte ist, daß ein Nicht Muttersprachler mit den Google Übersetzungen (mit denen ich normalerweise arbeiten müßte, da ich nun leider nicht genügend Englischkenntnisse habe) überhaupt keine Aktionen und Rabattierungen verstehen würde. Wann käme welche Rabattierung zum Tragen etc. Das erschwert unheimlich das Einkaufsvergnügen - wenn nicht sogar so weit, daß man Überlegungen anstellt, dann überhaupt noch die PC Membership zu kaufen. Ich bin seit ca. 7 Jahren PC member und habe diese Möglichkeit immer gerne genutzt, musste nicht jeden Tag hin- und herrechnen, womit ich denn jetzt besser fahre und womit ich den besten und billigsten Einkauf für mich tätigen kann. Wenn ich diese ganzen Dinge nicht verstehe, da sie sich laufend und täglich verändern, so kann ich da mit meinen Sprachkenntnissen nichts mehr bewirken und dann wird für mich eine PC Membership uninteressant. Sicher wollte ich hier mit meinem Einwand keinen (!) beleidigen, sondern darum bitten, auch zu berücksichtigen, daß hier auch Kunden sind, die der englischen Sprache nicht mächtig sind und die sich dann noch täglich mit zusätzlichen Erschwernissen durch irgendein kompliziertes Verkaufskonstrukt arbeiten müssen, um überhaupt den Genuss dieser Änderungen auch ausschöpfen zu können.
Von daher wäre für mich dann eine weitere PC Membership uninteressant. Klare, verständliche und nachvollziehbare Verkaufsregeln, die jeder ohne Dolmetscher verstehen kann. Lieber würde ich dann für meine Membership mehr bezahlen oder auf diesen Coupon verzichten, als jeden Tag hin- und herzurätseln, womit ich jetzt am besten den Einkauf tätige. Wie kann man so ein kompliziertes Verkaufskonzept erstellen? Macht es doch für jedermann einfach wie dies andere Shops mit Memberships auch tun. Einen Festpreis auf bestimmte ausgesuchte Artikel (für jeden und alle) - und eine einfache Anwendung ohne daß man vorher Mathematik studiert haben muß.
I have read cries for help in German forums about the PC+ too - it simply is NOT easy.
Added to that, the whole you have to read the forums to find the best price may be a fun game for some - for others it is just not possible to find the time for this.
Which leaves them feeling unsatisfied.
DAZ hat soviel verkompliziert mit seinen 'Kauf 1, 2 oder 3 davon dann bekommst du soviel, soviel oder sogar soviel Prozent für was anderes' und 'Points and Tiers' Aktionen, dass ich den Quatsch mittlerweile ignoriere, weil es sich eh nicht rechnet. Einige Zeit später gibt's den gleichen oder einen besseren Discount auch ohne erst $30, $100 oder mehr für andere Sachen auszugeben, also landet halt alles nur noch auf der Wishlist. Und bis es dann irgendwann zum Kauf kommt, hab ich bei der Hälfte schon gemerkt ich brauch's eigentlich gar nicht und es gelöscht. Wieder was gespart. ;)
Mein Englisch ist hierbei nicht das Problem, eher diese veraltete 'viel hilft viel' Denkweise.
@all: you are welcome, hope to see some renders using the Runway Bundle at the DAZ Gallery :)
;) yes, "him" :)
Aye Sedor, thanks for the gift :) I wa looking at that one when it came out, but couldn't buy it at that time, so it was a nice surprise :) Even if it the darn cart bugged up and ended up making me pay for it, it kept saying free up until the place where one click place order, and I was a little bit too fast and clicked the same time I saw it had changed to take pay for it :) my own fault for not having the eyes with me lol, I submitted a bug/help request at once, so waiting for them to look it up :)
Me too. It kind of takes the fun out of it--spending time going through a vendor's catalog only to discover you have what you want because you've been around a while and have taken advantage of previous sales. But there's still the fun of checking at 2am (EST) for the new stuff (I seem to be on Hawaii time or something).
I did take advantage of Mec4D's generous offer which only lasts two days. Wow.
But I was disturbed by something. I purchased, I think, four new items yesterday at 30% off and discovered tonite if I purchase a new item from today I could have gotten them for 40% off if I'd waited until today!. Is that really so or am I reading something wrong? If it's true I don't understand incenting customers to wait to purchase something.
BTW, I've been getting the new PC items the day they come out instead of waiting a month until the beta ends. It's a habit and I'm sticking to it. Besides with the new (if this goes into effect) percentage off rather than flat pricing that seems to be non-negotiable, it's an incentive to pick them up as soon as you can.
Spit- if that's the case, file a ticket and get the cheaper price. That doesn't sound right, but if it is, there's the 30 day guarantee for price.
WOW, 69 pages for this subject :-)
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As I'm not satisfied with PC+, I won't buy any PC items this month and won't use PA coupon. That's it !!
At least in my case, this strategy would not work. If I like a new release or any other item, and see (without any maths) that I can have it at a good price, I'll buy it. Simple as that. Tomorrow I'll return - exactly as the study says - and look what's new then.
The sales on PA shops are fine - but they would be much better without all this 'Buy one, and get 30%, buy two and get 40%, but take care not to choose a newer item, or one that has 'Godzilla' in its name', etc., etc..
Nothing against paying a bit more for PC items (the latest, the 'Piratesses', the 'Captain Tempest' textures and the 'Jolly Boat' freebie are wonderful!!!) - they are worth it. But please keep this awful sale system out of PC!
Glad to see that I am not the only one who is not satisfied with the PC+.
Since we must pay $12 (or more) when use the $6 PA coupon, I feel as if I were refunding the 2 x $6 coupons that we receive as members of the PC+.
I will also only use the $6 coupon valid on DO items like last month, not the PA coupon...
Can't afford PC+. Gotta be another way. Maybe a variation of the Prime setup at Rendo
I've noticed a lot of feedback about how complicated the PC+ program is. I'm curious what aspects of the PC+ program are difficult to understand. Is it an explanation issue (we didn't do a good enough job explaining it) or is it an implementation issue (it wasn't implemented the way you expected it to be, or the way we said it would be).
Keep in mind that part of the reason we are offering these benefits is so that you can use your PC membership perks on PA items. The other reason is that since under PC+ Platinum Club items are generally more in price than regular PC we don't want to leave PC+ members without something in return.
I've seen a lot of comments where people suggest we simply raise the price and be done with it. That is definitely something we could do, but then members miss out on potential perks.
At least in my case, this strategy would not work. If I like a new release or any other item, and see (without any maths) that I can have it at a good price, I'll buy it. Simple as that. Tomorrow I'll return - exactly as the study says - and look what's new then.
The sales on PA shops are fine - but they would be much better without all this 'Buy one, and get 30%, buy two and get 40%, but take care not to choose a newer item, or one that has 'Godzilla' in its name', etc., etc..
Nothing against paying a bit more for PC items (the latest, the 'Piratesses', the 'Captain Tempest' textures and the 'Jolly Boat' freebie are wonderful!!!) - they are worth it. But please keep this awful sale system out of PC!
The study brings to mind those suit shops on the high street in London that advertise permanent 90% off sales. I'm not sure if anyone ever goes into them but I did once and discovered that the 90% sale rack was a small, really old selection right at the back of the shop while the rest of the products were regular prices with 30% off stickers attached. I didn't buy anything and never went in again.
For me it comes down to this. Let's say a particular PA is on sale for everyone and they decide they don't want to stack with the PC discount But another PA that is on Sale for everyone and they do Stack. The only way to figure this out that I have seen is to play revolving shopping cart but wait lets add into this another layer of complexity say a sale on Genesis Items And one of these PA's is involved in that Sale as well and they stack now you have added yet another percent off that half the time unless you have a calculator to figure what percent you should have off, you are taking a Gamble on if the store is correct in it's calculations. That is one example
Here is another one and this one is more from a money stand point. I am a PC+ member we have a summer sale that says if I buy 3 new Items I get 40% off selected stores now two of the artists are in our PC+ 30% off one could easily spend 30 dollars just to possibly maybe get roughly 49% now lets add to the fact the PA coupon can not be used on new PA items I now have to spend an additional 18 dollars for the 6 dollar discount. Now where this works for some my budget will not sustain this.
Now I know you will say well you don't have to go through all of that, well to get the best deals you do and that takes all the fun out of shopping for me.
Now I like that The PC coupon can now be used on PC items. In fact I have used that one quickly.
To be honest over the past week I have put stuff in my cart and then removed it. Its just way to complicated and way too expensive.
I think we all understand prices need to rise it's the economy. But the complicated sales even outside the PC are getting really annoying. I understand the reason behind those too, doesn't mean I have to like them.
Neither nor.
Yes, sales and maybe PC+ benefits are getting more and more complicated for people who are not native english speakers. Rules - especially if you need to translate them - are often hard to understand nowadays. It's not one sentence and anything's clear, you often have to go through long forum posts before you understand the game. And if you even need to use Google translator or similar it's getting close to impossible to understand everything correct. And I would guess that DAZ does half of their sales to customers outside the US. But maybe 'complex' is the better word than 'complicated' here.
Beside that, it's not an explanation or implementation issue like you define it what many people were complaining about, it's more the setup and the rules and how anything works - if it does without new problems. There are so many 'ifs', 'thens' and 'buts' that this isn't fun anymore. Get an additional discount if a PA participates, if item is older 60 days (though you still cannot see how old it is), but maybe if the PA includes new items, if maybe you buy 1, 2 or 3 other items together with that one, and so on... See what I mean?
Personally I prefer straight discounts and fix prices in PC, even if that means there are different fixed prices - that's what I was willing to pay $70 upfront a year, and that's why I joined Prime at R'osity too (there it's the $3.50 flat., but then these are all PA items). One reason to join was exactly the fact that I do not need to buy at release, but can wishlist and be sure to buy at same price when I have a need for it.
Lately I tend to completely ignore any buy 1, 2 or 3 items and get another discount on that catalogue and this PA items and these related stuff and whatever. Same for 'collecting' tiers or anything if that means buy at least 25 new items to get highest discount on another new item and maybe get one free that you don't know yet. I find these things lame, but dunno if these might work for others. I still think people get tired of that kind of sale once they realize how much they have to spend for... no not items... just discounts.
Having read most of the thread, the complaint most repeated seems to be that PC+ sales have too many clauses/variables making it complicated to work out discounts (even after all the explanations and FAQ's.) Members either don't have the time or can't afford to participate.
Secondly, the price increase in PC items and the pay $12 to get $12 in coupons doesn't seem like a good deal to some people.
To tell how many members have raised these complaints would require going through the thread and adding them up I suppose.
The rules are simple enough the problem is the implications are not. A 30% discount on selected PA stores is simply giving you introductory pricing on the back catalog - If you didn't buy it new at 30% off, why would you want it at 30% off 61 days later? So essentially you need to wait for that discount to stack on to another sale. That and if it doesn't stack, there are all sorts of sales in the 40-50% off range anyway, so why pay for a PC membership?
Now I'm not one who is complaining, there have been plenty of sales this month where I have been able to get discounts in excess of 60%, but I believe that is the complaint.
Same thing holds true for the DAZ originals, I've had Gianni 6 pro bundle on my wishlist for a while at 30% off. No sale, That stacking sale that made it 65% off got me to buy it. I still have the HD morphs sitting on my wishlist at 30% off. It will go into my cart when I can get it for 50% off. Simply because I can do without it until it does.
It does obscure the direct benefits of being a PC member when you have to play that game though.
I'll wait until the end of the trial period and then submit feedback. But so far, I like the PC+ because I have reached the point where I have difficulty finding any DO that I want that I don't already have. Being able to use it on PC items helps with that problem. Additionally, I am glad to have a coupon for PA items, most of which are costly enough that buying $18 dollars worth is not a problem. And I find that the terms of the PC+ program are nowhere near as complicated as the daily sales terms are, what with three or four categories with sometimes confusing benefits running concurrently.
The complication stems from having not one pattern of discounts at work, but many. People are creature of habit (most, at least).
There are many conditions that have to come together to achieve a discount. It is not simply "Buy a new item at 30% off", but "add this, add that and then you'll get 40% off and a DAZ Bumpersticker for your M6". So you go and have to use the Lego stones of the sales.
That, in itself, is like falling off the bridge. But what breaks your neck is that you can't depend on the sales to come up with correct prices. There's a glitch in the main sale in 8 out of 10 days. Sorry to say, but I don't - I can't - trust the cart any longer, because of these frequent glitches. It means that I will sit and "manually" calculate the sales item in my cart, which, honestly, is a pain in the rear end with some of the stacking sales.
Will the stacking sales work for DAZ? Certainly. You will get sales, because people are greedy for getting the "cheap" stuff, the cheaper the better, if possible free. But will it make happy and relaxed customers? Probably not, from all I have read here.
See, there is a translation thread, which has 7400 hits, so that German native speakers can understand the daily sales. The "DAZlingua to English" has over 500 hits already. It's sad when a shop is so complicated that you need volunteer translations for your customers to undertsand what is going on.
The problem with PC+ are the conditions. Not that there are conditions, but the number of them. It's felt numbers. Realistically, it are not that many, five or six, I think. But if you come with a simple "Ah, let's spend my money at DAZ", you stand there and scratch your head while trying to remember what the conditions are, exactly. Coupon A works on Shops A to C, but not on Mondays or when you have less than 75 items on your wishlist". The PC+ is, consequently, suffering from the same problem as the main shop.
Solution: make a simple system. No more than two conditions in a sale, something that you can roughly calculate in your mind. And, for crying out loud, QS your sales after they go online. I understand that not all glitches can be prevented, there are always aome whacko excerpts that no one took into account. But we are talking basic stuff here, major glitches. You are gambling your customer's trust away. The result will be that, should another shop pop up with quality 3D content, people will switch over to that other shop.
DAZ has great potential, great products, and great people, but you're undermining your own base.
Greetings,
I believe, from what I have read, that it is not the PC+ itself that is complex, it is when folks attempt to 'optimize' it. In other words, the stacking 30% bonus is a major feature, but the folks who are complaining _only_ care about it when it _is_ stacked, and they're having trouble tracking when it stacks.
So, for instance, if I buy 3 items and get 45% off the stores of 4 PA's, two of which are currently PC+ discounted, then I can get 62% off of those PA's items. But the decision tree to get there is complex.
So it's not the 30% off that's difficult for folks to understand, it's when folks ONLY want to buy when the 30% stacks with something else, and have trouble figuring out when that happens. The optimization is what's tripping folks up. Weirdly, the _exact_ same issue applies to DAZ O's, when they have original artists listed, there's a stacking discount that usually kicks in when the underlying artist goes on sale.
I don't really optimize, and I have no trouble understanding the sales and figuring out how they apply if I did want to optimize. The part that's weird to me is that folks are criticizing the PC+ on the basis of something that already existed for DO's, and is purely an additive feature.
...and while 30% is the typical intro discount, sometimes I don't buy at intro because I don't have the funds at that moment, or I wasn't paying attention when the item was released, or reviews since then have changed my mind about it, or, or, or...etc. Getting 30% off PA items is a great bonus, and the key thing I like about the PC+. It's just the people who are trying to wring every cent out of it that find it complex, because there's a lot of options to wring cents out. Which should be a good thing, but...
-- Morgan
-- Morgan
Actually I have learned not to buy anything at 30% off ,unless I need it for a render right at the moment or its an oh look a Dragon my weakness that is, so the 30% Off later does not entice me to buy at 30%. I typically wait for a straight forward sale. And actually I have had the same issue with the DO sales and the PA's who are attached to them when their store is on sale.
And as per your poem, I am the dog who will pick up a bone and leave the other laying. I have no time for all the hassle that these sales entail. I look at my wishlist if it's at a price I can afford then I buy it, and when I put it in my cart if it stacks with something else that is a happy accident, if it's not at a price I can afford in my wishlist it sits until it is.
Never mind. I forgot I'm staying out of this thread. :P
Ein Beispiel aus dem Sommer Sale. Ich habe alle punches erfüllt (aus lauter Angst, ich würde womöglich dann nicht in den Genuss des Rabattes für Aiko 6 Pro Bundle kommen) - diese punches haben mich ein Vielfaches mehr gekostet, als wenn ich ganz normal gewartet und Aiko 6 Pro Bundle zu 100 % oder 80 % gekauft hätte. Ich hatte alles zu 100 % erfüllt (50 % off Aiko Release und 100 % off Dark Sisterhood or Gated Courtyard). Leider war ich zum Zeitpunkt des Releases in Urlaub und hatte den DAZ Support vorher darüber informiert. Nach meiner Urlaubsrückkehr hatte ich den DAZ Support kontaktiert wegen Aiko 6 Pro Bundle and Dark Sisterhood. Ich hatte die Möglichkeit Aiko 6 Pro Bundle zu 50 % off zu kaufen, aber die 100 % off für Dark Sisterhood fehlt bis heute bzw. kann ich nicht unentgeltlich kaufen. Wenn ich diesen Artikel haben möchte, müsste ich diesen regulär bezahlen anstatt 100 % off.
Aber mit meinen sehr schlechten Englischkenntnissen kann ich diesen Umstand dem DAZ Support offenbar nicht verständlich machen, jedenfalls habe ich bis heute keine Antwort erhalten. Da gibt man dann schon Unsummen aus und kommt dann nur, weil man zum Zeitpunkt der Veröffentlichung in Urlaub ist, um diese Vergünstigungen. Das finde ich nicht ganz korrekt.
Ich fand und finde die PC Membership gut - so wie sie bisher war - sie war bisher nicht kompliziert und für jedermann verständlich. Entweder man kauft die Artikel für 1,99 Dollar oder man lässt es bleiben. Der Coupon war ein angenehmes Plus. Aber ich musste nicht hin und her überlegen, was, wenn, wie und wenn das, dann geht das - das schaffen meine Sprachkenntnisse und Google nicht mehr! Ich habe schon aus den Sommer Sales und den ganzen Sales zuvor so gut wie nie teilnehmen können, weil ich sie nicht verstanden habe - d.h. ich habe auch nicht die Kombinationsmöglichkeiten verstanden, weil Google erklärt nichts. Wenn diese Aktionen seitens DAZ auf deutsch erklärt werden, dann sehe ich kein Problem darin. Aber ich kann und will nicht immer wieder jemanden bitten müssen, mir alle Aktionen von DAZ haarklein zu erklären und zu übersetzen. Ich möchte aber nicht immer wieder Dritte bitten müssen, mir alles genau zu erklären, damit ich bei DAZ meine PC Membership benutzen kann - das ist mir als Kunde nicht recht. Außerdem möchte ich planen können, d.h. ich möchte gerne vorher wissen, welche konstanten Vorteile habe ich von einer Membership und welche konstanten Vorteile hat jedes Club Mitglied gleich - die Betonung liegt auf gleiche Chancen und gleiche Chancenauswertung! Und nicht, daß einige keine Vorteile haben, weil sie die Aktionen nicht verstehen, aber andere genau wissen, wie sie was kombinieren können, um die PC Mitgliedschaft voll zu Lasten der nicht verstehenden ausnutzen können. Ich möchte gerne einkaufen mit dem Wissen, daß jedes PC Mitglied gleiche Chancen zu gleichen Preisen erhält und ich finde auch, das gehört zu einem normalen Geschäftsgebahren. Ansonsten ist es für Nicht Muttersprachler ganz klar eine deutliche Benachteiligung.
Looking at today's T-party sale, am I correct in saying that none of the PA prices are getting the PA+ discount unless those items are DO items (or still in the 80% off sale)?