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  • jontaylor99jontaylor99 Posts: 213
    edited January 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    I'm now getting yet another problem which I've never encountered before, I'm not blaming 4.15 for this yet but it seems strange how this has never happened before. I can't render anything now because when I hit 'render' all I get is a pop up message saying 'Unable to render, renderer is already working' ? Even if I have nothing running what so ever, there is no figure, no scene, nothing set I can't get render to work. I've not changed any of my settings what so ever, everything is set to exactly what I've always been using it at.

    Any ideas please?

    What are your system details, especially the driver version?

    Regardless of what my system details are, Studio has worked fine, even very well up until now. I'm not sure what the CPU is to be honest, it's a 4 core I5 @ 3.2, GPU is 980ti (new driver installed yesterday) and 32gb ram. The funny thing is Richard, I've since rebooted the PC and started Studio again and it all worked fine for about an hour or so then it happened again and rendering wouldn't work and it brought up that message again. I tried a few things, all in vain, and it just would not render. I switched everything off again, rebooted and it worked fine again, at this very moment it is all still working. Very strange!  

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,241

    jontaylor99 said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    I'm now getting yet another problem which I've never encountered before, I'm not blaming 4.15 for this yet but it seems strange how this has never happened before. I can't render anything now because when I hit 'render' all I get is a pop up message saying 'Unable to render, renderer is already working' ? Even if I have nothing running what so ever, there is no figure, no scene, nothing set I can't get render to work. I've not changed any of my settings what so ever, everything is set to exactly what I've always been using it at.

    Any ideas please?

    What are your system details, especially the driver version?

    Regardless of what my system details are, Studio has worked fine, even very well up until now. I'm not sure what the CPU is to be honest, it's a 4 core I5 @ 3.2, GPU is 980ti (new driver installed yesterday) and 32gb ram. The funny thing is Richard, I've since rebooted the PC and started Studio again and it all worked fine for about an hour or so then it happened again and rendering wouldn't work and it brought up that message again. I tried a few things, all in vain, and it just would not render. I switched everything off again, rebooted and it worked fine again, at this very moment it is all still working. Very strange!  

    Something overheating after running for length of time?

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,351
    edited January 2021

    Where is the content of folder C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\images\contenttypes now in DS 4.15? I had custom images in DS4.12, but this were erased by the 4.15 update and I can't find the default images to changes them by my own images.

     

     

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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583

    GiGi_7 said:

    Where is the content of folder C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\images\contenttypes now in DS 4.15? I had custom images in DS4.12, but this were erased by the 4.15 update and I can't find the default images to changes them by my own images.

     

     

    They seem to be in the same relative path for me.  Could it be Windows protecting the Program Files folders?  Do you have hidden and system files visible?

  • jbowlerjbowler Posts: 794

    Fixmypcmike said:

    GiGi_7 said:

    Where is the content of folder C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\images\contenttypes now in DS 4.15? I had custom images in DS4.12, but this were erased by the 4.15 update and I can't find the default images to changes them by my own images.

     

     

    They seem to be in the same relative path for me.  Could it be Windows protecting the Program Files folders?  Do you have hidden and system files visible?

    I also have the folder for both the general and public releases, however it does not contain any files, just sub-directories.  The PNG icon files for the content seem to be in those sub-directories in the locations specified in the file:

    C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\ContentTypes.txt

    I don't know where the files were in 4.12.

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,351

    Fixmypcmike said:

    GiGi_7 said:

    Where is the content of folder C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\images\contenttypes now in DS 4.15? I had custom images in DS4.12, but this were erased by the 4.15 update and I can't find the default images to changes them by my own images.

     

     

    They seem to be in the same relative path for me.  Could it be Windows protecting the Program Files folders?  Do you have hidden and system files visible?

    Yes, hidden and system files are visible.

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,351

    jbowler said:

     

    I also have the folder for both the general and public releases, however it does not contain any files, just sub-directories.  The PNG icon files for the content seem to be in those sub-directories in the locations specified in the file:

    C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\ContentTypes.txt

    I don't know where the files were in 4.12.

     There isn't a ContentTypes.txt for me. 

  • jbowlerjbowler Posts: 794

    GiGi_7 said:

    jbowler said:

     

    I also have the folder for both the general and public releases, however it does not contain any files, just sub-directories.  The PNG icon files for the content seem to be in those sub-directories in the locations specified in the file:

    C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\ContentTypes.txt

    I don't know where the files were in 4.12.

     There isn't a ContentTypes.txt for me. 

    Mine is dated 1/6/2021 (US format; month first).  If you are using DIM you can deinstall and reinstall the general release package.  That should fix problems with missing files in Program Files.

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,351

    jbowler said:

     

    Mine is dated 1/6/2021 (US format; month first).  If you are using DIM you can deinstall and reinstall the general release package.  That should fix problems with missing files in Program Files.

    Smart clue! thanks. I find it.

    I installed DS by DIM.  Since 4.14 Beta, my DStudio is no more in Program Files in hard disk C, however (useless) folders remain. It used the old folder for daz central to install 4.14 beta and of course 4.15 general release. The weird thing is that I had uninstalled DAZ (nightmare) Central because was a pain. Now DazStudio 4.15  resources lives in external disk U  in \Applications\64-bit\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\resources\, the old and abandoned custom folder for my erased daz central.

    Case closed.

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042

    jbowler said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...interesting,  I was verifying that I had saved the installers for the both 4.12.0.47 Beta and 4.10.0.133 General Release but when I looked in the IM Installed Tab, it indicated that I had both the Beta and General Releases for 4,15 installed (I haven't updated either since 2019).  I then I opened both the Beta and General Release I have been working with, checked the release numbers in the help tab, and it shows the correct release numbers versions above.    

    So how were they renamed as 4.15 in the DIM when they should still be the old numbers?  Gave me a start for a moment. 

    IRC the product is renamed, so the same product number (general release or public release) acquires a new name even though you did not update it.

     

    ..,just odd and a bit misleading on what has already been installed, particularly if you want to save the installer for rolling back, should you encounter bugs like some people have. 

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943

    kyoto kid said:

    jbowler said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...interesting,  I was verifying that I had saved the installers for the both 4.12.0.47 Beta and 4.10.0.133 General Release but when I looked in the IM Installed Tab, it indicated that I had both the Beta and General Releases for 4,15 installed (I haven't updated either since 2019).  I then I opened both the Beta and General Release I have been working with, checked the release numbers in the help tab, and it shows the correct release numbers versions above.    

    So how were they renamed as 4.15 in the DIM when they should still be the old numbers?  Gave me a start for a moment. 

    IRC the product is renamed, so the same product number (general release or public release) acquires a new name even though you did not update it.

     

    ..,just odd and a bit misleading on what has already been installed, particularly if you want to save the installer for rolling back, should you encounter bugs like some people have. 

     

    It is related to the "Compatible Software" in the store ... it always tells you you need the newest version ...

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,839

    jbowler said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...interesting,  I was verifying that I had saved the installers for the both 4.12.0.47 Beta and 4.10.0.133 General Release but when I looked in the IM Installed Tab, it indicated that I had both the Beta and General Releases for 4,15 installed (I haven't updated either since 2019).  I then I opened both the Beta and General Release I have been working with, checked the release numbers in the help tab, and it shows the correct release numbers versions above.    

    So how were they renamed as 4.15 in the DIM when they should still be the old numbers?  Gave me a start for a moment. 

    IRC the product is renamed, so the same product number (general release or public release) acquires a new name even though you did not update it.

    While online. If DIM is offline it gets the name from the maniferst, for installed files, or the .dsx file that sits alongside the zip, for non-installed files.

  • Philippi_ChildPhilippi_Child Posts: 648
    edited January 2021

    Okay my question;

    I have been weeding through a lot of threads about 4.15 on issues, hardware, etc. I am still using 4.12 and always keep up with the latest video drivers ( I use the studio drivers). My question is this, can my present PC ( which is dedicated to rendering only) handle 4.15?

    Intel i7, 32GB RAM, GTX 1060 6GB,2-1TB drives, and a very good cooling system and case. I don't do huge resource intense rendering, I do this for a hobby not professionally and I've never had any issues with 4.12.  I see on the specs for studio that a RTX 2060 or above is required is this true?

    Thanks!

     

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  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,464
    edited January 2021

    Philippi_Child said:

    Okay my question;

    I have been weeding through a lot of threads about 4.15 on issues, hardware, etc. I am still using 4.12 and always keep up with the latest video drivers ( I use the studio drivers). My question is this, can my present PC ( which is dedicated to rendering only) handle 4.15?

    Intel i7, 32GB RAM, GTX 1060 6GB,2-1TB drives, and a very good cooling system and case. I don't do huge resource intense rendering, I do this for a hobby not professionally and I've never had any issues with 4.12.  

    Thanks!

     

    If your 4.12 installation is the General Release version, then you can install the 4.15 Public Beta build alongside it. There will be no conflicts.

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  • PAO73PAO73 Posts: 1

    Only experiencing one problem with 4.15 so far:

    In render settings>environment, I set up a sun under Sun-Sky Only.

    I switch to Dome and Scene and set Environment Map to "None," which gives me both the sun and the in-scene lights.

    The problem is, when I save and then reload the scene, it has forgotten the "None" setting and reverts to the default Environment Map. An irritating thing to have to correct every time, and also one that makes sun-plus-scene-lights scenes pretty much impossible in Render Queue.

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,464

    PAO73 said:

    Only experiencing one problem with 4.15 so far:

    In render settings>environment, I set up a sun under Sun-Sky Only.

    I switch to Dome and Scene and set Environment Map to "None," which gives me both the sun and the in-scene lights.

    The problem is, when I save and then reload the scene, it has forgotten the "None" setting and reverts to the default Environment Map. An irritating thing to have to correct every time, and also one that makes sun-plus-scene-lights scenes pretty much impossible in Render Queue.

    I have just created a Sun-Sky only scene, saved it, closed DS and reopened the scene. Sun-Sky only is still there, with no Environment map.

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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583

    DoctorJellybean said:

    PAO73 said:

    Only experiencing one problem with 4.15 so far:

    In render settings>environment, I set up a sun under Sun-Sky Only.

    I switch to Dome and Scene and set Environment Map to "None," which gives me both the sun and the in-scene lights.

    The problem is, when I save and then reload the scene, it has forgotten the "None" setting and reverts to the default Environment Map. An irritating thing to have to correct every time, and also one that makes sun-plus-scene-lights scenes pretty much impossible in Render Queue.

    I have just created a Sun-Sky only scene, saved it, closed DS and reopened the scene. Sun-Sky only is still there, with no Environment map.

    Does it work with Dome & Scene rather than Sun-Sky?

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,464

    Fixmypcmike said:

    DoctorJellybean said:

    PAO73 said:

    Only experiencing one problem with 4.15 so far:

    In render settings>environment, I set up a sun under Sun-Sky Only.

    I switch to Dome and Scene and set Environment Map to "None," which gives me both the sun and the in-scene lights.

    The problem is, when I save and then reload the scene, it has forgotten the "None" setting and reverts to the default Environment Map. An irritating thing to have to correct every time, and also one that makes sun-plus-scene-lights scenes pretty much impossible in Render Queue.

    I have just created a Sun-Sky only scene, saved it, closed DS and reopened the scene. Sun-Sky only is still there, with no Environment map.

    Does it work with Dome & Scene rather than Sun-Sky?

    No, but that has been reported.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,241

    Philippi_Child said:

    Okay my question;

    I have been weeding through a lot of threads about 4.15 on issues, hardware, etc. I am still using 4.12 and always keep up with the latest video drivers ( I use the studio drivers). My question is this, can my present PC ( which is dedicated to rendering only) handle 4.15?

    Intel i7, 32GB RAM, GTX 1060 6GB,2-1TB drives, and a very good cooling system and case. I don't do huge resource intense rendering, I do this for a hobby not professionally and I've never had any issues with 4.12.  I see on the specs for studio that a RTX 2060 or above is required is this true?

    Thanks!

     

    @Philippi_Child DS 4.15.0.2 ran fine with my GTX 980 ti (6 GB). Everything you have is as good as or better than what I was using. You should be OK. but, the recommendation to install and try the beta without diusturbing your DS 4.12 general release is good advice!!! 

  • ordrediscretordrediscret Posts: 11

    Hi,

    Each time I close daz 4.15, I can't restart it. I need to re-start my PC to have it again available Am I the only one with this issue, any idea to fix it ?

    W10 / I7-8700K / GTX 1080 TI

    Regards

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,241

    ordrediscret said:

    Hi,

    Each time I close daz 4.15, I can't restart it. I need to re-start my PC to have it again available Am I the only one with this issue, any idea to fix it ?

    W10 / I7-8700K / GTX 1080 TI

    Regards

    It takes some time for Daz Studio 4.15 to free memory and shutdown. Even though the main interface window closes, it is still working in the badkground. How long have you been waiting after you close Daz Studio until you try to start it again. You probably just need to wait longer. You can monitor it in the Windows Task Manager to see when the process finally goes away. Then you should be able to start it again. It won't restart until it has completely shutdown the current instance, unless you run a specialized script to start multiple instances at once.  

  • jbowlerjbowler Posts: 794

    ordrediscret said:

    Hi,

    Each time I close daz 4.15, I can't restart it. I need to re-start my PC to have it again available Am I the only one with this issue, any idea to fix it ?

    No, this affects everyone and has been reported.  Rather than re-starting the whole PC uses the Windows Task Manager or the Mac equivalent to find the running DAZStudio process (there will be just one and it will be in the background) then kill that.  Restarting the PC is just a long winded way of doing the same thing.

    You can also do what I do; I save the scene file first by hand then select everything in the scene and delete it before closing DAZStudio.  The delete just takes a few seconds but DAZStudio shuts down way, way faster afterward.  It's still pretty slow.

    The no-thought-required fix (which I also use) is to run DAZStudio with the command line options '-instanceName #' (two options, no quotes).  If you do that it will start instantly after each close because the option allows multiple scenes to be open at once; the closed one is still there, closing, but you can open another, or several, while it is doing so.  Make sure you have all your global settings set correctly first before you do this; it's not possible to save new settings with those options.  IRC Richard posted a link to the 4.12 documentation of the command line options a few messages ago.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,839

    Don't stop DS through Task Manager unless it's truly hanging (0% CPU) as you may corrupt configuration files. If you keep closing and wanting to restart use the script here to help you create a shortcut or two to launch distinct isntances, which can run while another is closing.

    Daz Studio Pro 4.12 - instances

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,464
    You can also do what I do; I save the scene file first by hand then select everything in the scene and delete it before closing DAZStudio.  The delete just takes a few seconds but DAZStudio shuts down way, way faster afterward.  It's still pretty slow.

    An even quicker (and safest) way is to select File - New after saving and then closing DS.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,839

    DoctorJellybean said:

    You can also do what I do; I save the scene file first by hand then select everything in the scene and delete it before closing DAZStudio.  The delete just takes a few seconds but DAZStudio shuts down way, way faster afterward.  It's still pretty slow.

    An even quicker (and safest) way is to select File - New after saving and then closing DS.

    File>New can still take a while for me if I've had a morph-heavy figure loaded. There are obviously system-specific variables at play with all of this.

  • jontaylor99jontaylor99 Posts: 213

    barbult said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    I'm now getting yet another problem which I've never encountered before, I'm not blaming 4.15 for this yet but it seems strange how this has never happened before. I can't render anything now because when I hit 'render' all I get is a pop up message saying 'Unable to render, renderer is already working' ? Even if I have nothing running what so ever, there is no figure, no scene, nothing set I can't get render to work. I've not changed any of my settings what so ever, everything is set to exactly what I've always been using it at.

    Any ideas please?

    What are your system details, especially the driver version?

    Regardless of what my system details are, Studio has worked fine, even very well up until now. I'm not sure what the CPU is to be honest, it's a 4 core I5 @ 3.2, GPU is 980ti (new driver installed yesterday) and 32gb ram. The funny thing is Richard, I've since rebooted the PC and started Studio again and it all worked fine for about an hour or so then it happened again and rendering wouldn't work and it brought up that message again. I tried a few things, all in vain, and it just would not render. I switched everything off again, rebooted and it worked fine again, at this very moment it is all still working. Very strange!  

    Something overheating after running for length of time?

    No, I've checked stuff like that and my temperatures are all pretty much what they always run at. 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    jontaylor99 said:

    barbult said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    jontaylor99 said:

    I'm now getting yet another problem which I've never encountered before, I'm not blaming 4.15 for this yet but it seems strange how this has never happened before. I can't render anything now because when I hit 'render' all I get is a pop up message saying 'Unable to render, renderer is already working' ? Even if I have nothing running what so ever, there is no figure, no scene, nothing set I can't get render to work. I've not changed any of my settings what so ever, everything is set to exactly what I've always been using it at.

    Any ideas please?

    What are your system details, especially the driver version?

    Regardless of what my system details are, Studio has worked fine, even very well up until now. I'm not sure what the CPU is to be honest, it's a 4 core I5 @ 3.2, GPU is 980ti (new driver installed yesterday) and 32gb ram. The funny thing is Richard, I've since rebooted the PC and started Studio again and it all worked fine for about an hour or so then it happened again and rendering wouldn't work and it brought up that message again. I tried a few things, all in vain, and it just would not render. I switched everything off again, rebooted and it worked fine again, at this very moment it is all still working. Very strange!  

    Something overheating after running for length of time?

    No, I've checked stuff like that and my temperatures are all pretty much what they always run at. 

    The overheating "something" may not be monitored at all.

    One thing to try is to remove the GPU and install it again to make sure it is properly seated 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042
    edited January 2021

    Richard Haseltine said:

    jbowler said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...interesting,  I was verifying that I had saved the installers for the both 4.12.0.47 Beta and 4.10.0.133 General Release but when I looked in the IM Installed Tab, it indicated that I had both the Beta and General Releases for 4,15 installed (I haven't updated either since 2019).  I then I opened both the Beta and General Release I have been working with, checked the release numbers in the help tab, and it shows the correct release numbers versions above.    

    So how were they renamed as 4.15 in the DIM when they should still be the old numbers?  Gave me a start for a moment. 

    IRC the product is renamed, so the same product number (general release or public release) acquires a new name even though you did not update it.

    While online. If DIM is offline it gets the name from the maniferst, for installed files, or the .dsx file that sits alongside the zip, for non-installed files.

    ...just opened in offline mode and yes, it has the correct version number (Beta 4.12 General: 4.10).

    After reading about some of the issues people are experiencing here think I'll stay with what I have for now.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • PorphyrogenitusPorphyrogenitus Posts: 68
    edited January 2021

    I haven't read every post in this thread (time limitations) so apologies if this was asked and addressed already but:

    All the sudden with this update I'm getting fireflies using the same render settings I have used before without any trouble. Is this related to this update? If so, how can it be fixed? I hesitate to resort to the usual suggestions ("Flood the scene with moar dakka!" for example). So I hope there is a fix or patch that doesn't involve changing lighting, for instance.

    EDIT: I turned spectral rendering off and the fireflies went away. Is 4.15 incompatable with spectral rendering? Or is it just a problem on my end?

    Post edited by Porphyrogenitus on
  • jbowlerjbowler Posts: 794

    Porphyrogenitus said:

    I haven't read every post in this thread (time limitations) so apologies if this was asked and addressed already but:

    There are a lot of reports of opacity issues in Iray rendering...

    All the sudden with this update I'm getting fireflies using the same render settings I have used before without any trouble. Is this related to this update? If so, how can it be fixed? I hesitate to resort to the usual suggestions ("Flood the scene with moar dakka!" for example). So I hope there is a fix or patch that doesn't involve changing lighting, for instance.

    EDIT: I turned spectral rendering off and the fireflies went away. Is 4.15 incompatable with spectral rendering? Or is it just a problem on my end?

    I think the fireflys are still there but spectral rendering makes them more obvious.  I don't have a 4.12 to go back to at present, I think perhaps I'll have to revert to 4.12 for the general release at least because the problems seem just too weird.

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