Genesis 8.1 / Victoria 8.1

Ghosty12

Haruchai said:

Nathanomir said:

Hellboy said:

Nathanomir said:

I just have upgraded all my characters from G3 to G8. The last commitment was my flagship character, who was upgraded last month. I jokingly said "Watch. As soon as I commit to her G8F version, G9 will come out."

SONOFA ...

Nah. Not feeling it. I spent too much money on Zev0, EJ, and Hellboy morphs and too much time upgrading a stable of 30 characters to do it all over again. Especially when the Zev0, EJ, and Hellboy morph sets for G8.1 aren't available yet. The big kicker is my flagship character uses a V7 face for a base. When will Riversoft release a G3 to G8.1 character converter? I also finally got skin sets that look like I want them to, and the new UV means starting over from scratch. YIKES!

I don't do animations, closeups, or portraits. I do action scenes. So, any benefits from V8.1 would be totally lost at the range I usually "shoot" the scene at. If pores and body hair show up at that range, then I'm probably playing with Orcs.

I will say, though, that V8.1 has a much prettier face than V8.

The cool thing is since I just have upgraded everyone, there are still plenty (and I mean plenty) of fantasy outfits for G8 that I still haven't purchased. Yet. So, things will keep chugging along at their usual pace, and DAZ will still cause me to break the monthly budgets.

There is no need for character converters or morph sets or new UVs. G8.1 is still G8. Everything except some expressions works as always.

You can already use all your upgraded G8 characters in G8.1

 

G8.1 is still G8. At the risk of sounding like a naysayer, if G8.1 is still G8, then why bother with G8.1? What is the purpose? Why bother upgrading to G8.1 if she's still G8? Why not just stick with G8 and spend my money on clothes for G8? I'm not understanding this. Not just for facial hair (which won't show up in my renders anyway). I also don't understand how G3/8 skins will fit G8.1 if G8.1 has a totally different UV and new mapping system. Something doesn't add up here.

There is a new UV called Base 8.1 Female. The original Base Female UV is still there so applying any existing Genesis 8 Female character skin/morphs just works. All hair, clothing etc still works exactly the same.

There are new facial controls and so expressions will not transfer between the two. Eyes and mouth have been updated.

For me naming is going to a potential issue from here as it appears that everything will have Genesis 8.1 Female as the required figure whether it will work with Genesis 8 Female or not. Case in point the new  Z Sign Language Alphabet for Genesis 8.1 Female and Victoria 8.1 is a set of hand poses. Nothing has chaned in the hands so will work perfectly well with Genesis 8 Female but some people may be put off by the product name and Compatible Figure name.

The interesting thing on the expressions not working bit, is that I am finding the expressions I transferred from Genesis 3 to Genesis 8 with X-Transfer seem to work really well.. While the bulk of the expressions for Genesis 8 as you said do not work, except for 3D Universe's Gayll the expressions for her work fine with G8.1F

Matt_Castle

#1 - Yes. The two are separate loads from your library.

#2 - As far as I can tell, G8F shaping/character presets work fine on G8.1F. I'm currently testing one of my characters on G8.1 instead and trying to see exactly what may have broken.

So far, the findings are that Fit Control doesn't load, and a lot of expressions have stopped working, but we'll see what else is wrong. (Shape and materials however have transferred just fine).

Asari

DVoid said:

Asari said:

If older morphs are still usable, does that mean both figures share the same vertice count and the same vertice orders? And the new tear duct and eyelash mesh is a separate figure, like the old eyelash mesh being a separate figure?

 

That's all I care about for now.

Short answer, yes.

They are the exact same model. The only thing that's different in the facial rig (which doesn't affect geometry density) and the eyes and inner mouth geometry. For the most part, the only things that could cause problems, is expressions because the rig is different. 

Cool thank you. I hope we shortly get updates of the Bridges so the new facial rig can be exported to other apps as well.

I would have thought DAZ would release new expression packs with the new G8.1 on release day, given this is the only thing people can't use from previous versions. But yeah ... we'll see lots of them in the future I guess.

Ghosty12

Yes G8.1 is completely seperate so as to not cause folks with a lot of G8 stuff any hassles.. As it is known now that a lot of the expressions for G8 do not work at all on G8.1..

And yes you can use your older G8F characters and textures on G8.1F..

apocalypse_cow

Question 1: yes

Question 2: you can convert a character to 8.1 and use the same morphs and textures as before. If you want to use the new shader (which you don't have to, even on a 8.1 character) you'll have to put in a little bit of work to convert it. so basically, everything that works on gen8 should work on 8.1. the only exception that I've seen so far are some expression sets, as well as certain other things like some scripts and add-ons like third-party genitals (which will probably be updated soon - don't think they need to be changed much)

Luciel

1. Yes. Any 8 figure will be the same.

 

2. Mostly. If you load an 8.1 female base and then load the character onto that base (rather than load the character directly), you'll now have that character with the 8.1 instead of 8 base. The materials will still be the same materials, but you'll have the tear gemetry, facial morphs and option of using the alternate genitals.

thoreandan

Luciel said:

thoreandan said:

Is there a clear list of which improvements come with Genesis 8.1, and which can only be obtained by purchasing Victoria 8.1?  The Introducing Genesis 8.1/Victoria 8.1 seems to blur these distinctions. Particularly, are the FACS controls we see in the example video Victoria-only?  Because after updating but not purchasing Victoria 8.1, I don't see any way to do what is shown in the FACS example video, but I don't know if that's because I'm just not finding it or because it only comes with Victoria 8.1?

I do like how the eyelids react to rotation of the eyeballs, G8F and G3F did not always do this very well. I was able to use Look at Me (unchecking Adjust Eyelids) with G8.1F to make the eyeballs turn towards the camera, and then the eyelids adjusted appropriately on their own. Some other GF8 products refuse to recognize G8.1F as G8F, though, like Fit Control. It refuses to run and tells me to select a Genesis 8 Female when GF8.1 is selected.

The controls are with Genesis 8.1 in the anatomy section (but often crash when I use them, so perhaps be careful). 

If you own a pro bundle (i'd assume you'd need to own a pro bundle with the male anatomy) a version of the male anatomy appears in the female anatomy section.

I don't seem to be able to find any vellus/body hairs, so those might be Victoria 8.1/figure addons. 

Hmm, I don't have anything new in the Anatomy section except the 8.1 Female Eyelashes and 8.1 Female Tear attachments. Nothing related to face control in the anatomy section of Smart Content either with G8.1F selected.

takezo_3001

ChangelingChick said:

vwrangler said:

ChangelingChick said:

There is a converter. G8.1 converts G8 herself. No need for extras. 

So does this mean that Genesis 8.0 functionally ceases to exist on your computer once you've installed ... well, that's where I'm confused. There don't seem to be any Genesis 8.1 Starter Essentials. Do the Defalut Resources themselves somehow upgrade Genesis 8 to 8.1?

8 is unaffected by 8.1. They are separate loads in the same package setup. You can continue to use both as you wish.

Thank you so much for this and previous info I just bought V8.1 based on your posts! :)

RobotHeadArt

What about LIE (tattoos and makeup) and geoshells? The UVs are different so do textures laid out for G8 (and G3 which has the same UVs as G8) work on a G8.1?

WendyLuvsCatz

ahhhhh the sign language

I am so silly, 

that's why there is no mimic configuration file!

ChangelingChick

airlegacy22 said:

Hey all!
So I've been looking around here in the forums to see if I someone has mentioned the answer to this specific question, but I couldn't really find it, or just missed it, so here it goes.

Question 1: Once you update to the newest build, and get G8.1 and the rest of all the good stuff, what I've gathered from others, is that you'll retain G8 just as it was before, and get G8.1 as its own entity. Is that correct?

 

Yes.

 

 

Question2: (And this is what I'm really curious about.) If I have let's say a G8F custom character, with modified shapes, morphs, textures, everything. Can I still utilize the new shaders, facial expression system and all that for that G8F character, without altering or having something altered (morphs, texturemaps, etc)?  So essentially retaining the EXACT same character, but still access the new features?

Thanks a lot in advance!

If you want to use the new shader, it's setup a bit differently from Iray Uber so you'll need to insert the maps to the new shader manually probably. It's more in line with industry standard PBR shaders as I recall. Your custom G8 character, textures, will still work on G8.1. The shader can even be applied to G8 if you want. Basically what you make for G8 will load on G8.1 out of the box (assuming your DS is up to date). So basically a character made for G8 is a character that is for G8 and G8.1 if that makes sense. It's weird but the devs did some really cool magic to get G8.1 to pull in all the G8 stuff so there wouldn't be a conversion process.

MelissaGT

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Luciel

thoreandan said:

Luciel said:

thoreandan said:

Is there a clear list of which improvements come with Genesis 8.1, and which can only be obtained by purchasing Victoria 8.1?  The Introducing Genesis 8.1/Victoria 8.1 seems to blur these distinctions. Particularly, are the FACS controls we see in the example video Victoria-only?  Because after updating but not purchasing Victoria 8.1, I don't see any way to do what is shown in the FACS example video, but I don't know if that's because I'm just not finding it or because it only comes with Victoria 8.1?

I do like how the eyelids react to rotation of the eyeballs, G8F and G3F did not always do this very well. I was able to use Look at Me (unchecking Adjust Eyelids) with G8.1F to make the eyeballs turn towards the camera, and then the eyelids adjusted appropriately on their own. Some other GF8 products refuse to recognize G8.1F as G8F, though, like Fit Control. It refuses to run and tells me to select a Genesis 8 Female when GF8.1 is selected.

The controls are with Genesis 8.1 in the anatomy section (but often crash when I use them, so perhaps be careful). 

If you own a pro bundle (i'd assume you'd need to own a pro bundle with the male anatomy) a version of the male anatomy appears in the female anatomy section.

I don't seem to be able to find any vellus/body hairs, so those might be Victoria 8.1/figure addons. 

Hmm, I don't have anything new in the Anatomy section except the 8.1 Female Eyelashes and 8.1 Female Tear attachments. Nothing related to face control in the anatomy section of Smart Content either with G8.1F selected.

For me it's called  "Genesis 8.1 Female Face Controls" and is part of the Genesis 8 Starter Essentials (it just has a shiny grey head as the icon). You could try reinstalling the starter essentials or updating metadata or searching in the content library/lost and found. Why is it never simple.  

Nester751

Missing bundle.  So on the actual page

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-8-1

There is text that talks about

Victoria 8.1 Loving Life Bundle.

Specifically here

"Other Improvements (Read More)

Fine, short hairs are added to the female face and body, male anatomical elements are available on females and vice versa, and the Facial Control Rig and Power Pose Panel for Face are enhanced.

For additional savings, check out Victoria 8.1 University Bundle and Victoria 8.1 Loving Life Bundle.

What is Genesis 8.1? Click here to find out more.

Victoria 8.1 measurements courtesy of Measure Metrics for Daz Studio:"

So my  question is where is this other bundle?

 

Zatetic

For me, I could care less about piercings and tattoos. Based on the images shown for the V 8.1 product, I like the new look less than the previous V's.

Timotheus

Haruchai said:

Leana said:

Haruchai said:

Just to confirm Geoshells are an issue. I can use Makeup and Nails Geoshells by hiding the body of the Geoshell but here is Freya Tattoo Geoshell. There should be a tattoo on the upper chest as well as the head tattoo continuing down around her ear onto her neck. Hiding parts will not solve this obviously.

Did you apply a geoshell made for G8 to a G8.1 using the new shaders / UVs? IIRC a geoshell inherits the UVs from the base figure, so the geoshell is probably using G8.1 UVs and you applied textures made for G8 UVs to it.

Yes I did. A Geoshell applied directly to Genesis 8.1 Female loads all white and any existing presets either do not apply or apply but do not set any transparency to any surfaces. If I change the UV on a Geoshell from Base 8.1 Female UV to Base Female it makes no difference, body is still white.

If you go into the shell parameters and look under Visibility/Surfaces, you'll see the new Head and Body surfaces there. If you turn them off, the white should go away.

 

Richard Haseltine

Leana said:

Haruchai said:

Just to confirm Geoshells are an issue. I can use Makeup and Nails Geoshells by hiding the body of the Geoshell but here is Freya Tattoo Geoshell. There should be a tattoo on the upper chest as well as the head tattoo continuing down around her ear onto her neck. Hiding parts will not solve this obviously.

Did you apply a geoshell made for G8 to a G8.1 using the new shaders / UVs? IIRC a geoshell inherits the UVs from the base figure, so the geoshell is probably using G8.1 UVs and you applied textures made for G8 UVs to it.

Geometry Shells have the same UV options as the base figure, and can have differnt choices from the list (that's how the blending with the centaurs etc. works)

Haruchai

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

WendyLuvsCatz

lipsync/mimic live nooooooooooo

Zilvergrafix

ahm...guys, she is 8.1, not 9. 

and yes, loading times are the same as your ton of morphs on 8.0

rayglendenning

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

HighElf

Okay, so far so good. The new Victoria looks nice. They dropped the ball with the PBRSkin in spectral mode. And the page lists the university bundle as purchasable for me, I've already purchased it.  The new facial rig looks nice too and most of my expressions are still working. Sadly, every expression I converted from older generations to G8 don't. And I really dislike that the stuck the DAZ Iray PBRSkin Shader exclusive to G8.1. I wish we could use it on other models too, like the UberShader.

Luciel

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

From the looks of it it's another "anatomy" style product. So is only included in certain things, like the anatomy only being in "pro" bundles. 

The basic Victoria 8.1 doesn't contain it, but the bundle does, even though the Victoria 8.1 page lists "Fine, short hairs are added to the female face and body" as a feature (which is perhaps a mistake).

Panzer Emerald

I know I've often made jokes about "Malibu Stacy with a New Hat" in the past... but, wow, this is probably the first time where it's completely accurate. 

That said... as long as it's just the face that's gotten an upgrade and everything else is largely left intact -and from my initial poking around of Genesis 8.1, all of it is- without the need for any conversion products barring expressions, I don't see any real reason to get all up in arms about this just yet.

Haruchai

rayglendenning said:

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

It's part of the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle. Bundle only it appears.

MelissaGT

Haruchai said:

rayglendenning said:

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

It's part of the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle. Bundle only it appears.

OMG WHAT THE FLIPPING FLIPPITY FLAP. I bought the character and the HD add-on because I have no interest in any of the additional crap in the bundle. Now I have to return the character and the add-on I purchased to buy the flipping goober bundle? OMG! So I have to buy a library environment to get vellus hair. GRRRRR.

If it said "Pro Bundle" I'd get it...because I know that the anatomical elements only came with a pro bundle...but it says "University Bundle". So apparently vellus hair has to do with a university now...

Haruchai

RobotHeadArt said:

What about LIE (tattoos and makeup) and geoshells? The UVs are different so do textures laid out for G8 (and G3 which has the same UVs as G8) work on a G8.1?

My experience so far is only with Geoshells.  If I load a Geoshell directly onto Genesis 8.1 Female and try to use an existing 8 preset it will not work. This doesn't change even if I change the UV from Base 8.1 Female to Base Female on the Geoshell.

If I load a preset Geoshell made for 8 in one of the existing packages on to 8.1 it will load with the body white. If you are looking to add makeup to the face you can turn off the rest and it will work. If you want to add nails or arms/legs it will work if you turn off the body also. Anything that appears on the body or crosses a boundary with the body will not work.

I suspect you would get similar error with LIE but it might work IF you change the UV to Base Female first but then you couldn't use the new skins.

If anyone else could confirm/refute the above I would be interested :)

evilded777

So... where is this new skin shader?

I downloaded, I loaded 8.1 Female... I even went so far as to apply the materials from Gen 8.1 Female Iray... they aren't any different from the 8 materials.

 

And please fix that metadata...Power Pose Templates for Genesis 8 Male indeed.

3DRT

melissastjames said:

Haruchai said:

rayglendenning said:

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

It's part of the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle. Bundle only it appears.

OMG WHAT THE FLIPPING FLIPPITY FLAP. I bought the character and the HD add-on because I have no interest in any of the additional crap in the bundle. Now I have to return the character and the add-on I purchased to buy the flipping goober bundle? OMG! So I have to buy a library environment to get vellus hair. GRRRRR.

If it said "Pro Bundle" I'd get it...because I know that the anatomical elements only came with a pro bundle...but it says "University Bundle". So apparently vellus hair has to do with a university now...

I find it ridiculous how they are tauting it as one of the major improvements and yet hide it behind a $100 paywall. At the very least they should include it with Victoria 8.1 herself. 

MelissaGT

3DRT said:

melissastjames said:

Haruchai said:

rayglendenning said:

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

It's part of the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle. Bundle only it appears.

OMG WHAT THE FLIPPING FLIPPITY FLAP. I bought the character and the HD add-on because I have no interest in any of the additional crap in the bundle. Now I have to return the character and the add-on I purchased to buy the flipping goober bundle? OMG! So I have to buy a library environment to get vellus hair. GRRRRR.

If it said "Pro Bundle" I'd get it...because I know that the anatomical elements only came with a pro bundle...but it says "University Bundle". So apparently vellus hair has to do with a university now...

I find it ridiculous how they are tauting it as one of the major improvements and yet hide it behind a $100 paywall. At the very least they should include it with Victoria 8.1 herself. 

It really shouldn't be listed as a feature on Victoria 8.1's product page if it's not included with that product.