Kiko 8.1 - cute kitsune, stands on her own without a "seasonal passport" or the like

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  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,183
    edited June 2021

    She's got textbook kitsune description from the Japanese folklore. They weren't cute foxgirls they are in modern pop-culture.

    So the back story might be there's an urban legend that people who went to Kiko's concert got their lives ruined LOL. I don't mind that and I actually prefer that and having some folklore related items in the bundle instead of some unrelated pop star stuff
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  • AmaranthAmaranth Posts: 433

    Ears are easy to go by

    In preferences click on show hidden properties

    Select the hair and under "currently used" dial the PHMKiko8_1Ears to zero

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  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410
    edited June 2021

    Wolfwood said:

     I get some people would have preferred this on SP. But also consider this is still a "toon" character, and lots of people feared getting this on the SP.

     On the bundle...Not the worst we have seen, but still many issues:

    * Still expensive. It does not look like it because of current PC+ sale, but is only 30% discount on base price of its items.

    * 3 Poses/Exp/Anim. Two of those designed only for kiko and not for G8/8.1

    * They include a Bass but the pose set is for a Guitar.

    Some odd aspects:

    * Bundle do not include anatomical elements. Why? August is toonish, young and still includes them. (btw, the anatomical materials listed in readme seems to be for ears and tail)

    * While there is no HD addon. The file list in kiko include several hd morphs. They are certainly not described in the "what's included sections, but neither are ears, tail, makeups...."

    • My price for the bundle was $29.67 with 3(+) add-ons and the orange banner for owning a lot of stuff. I don't know if that's good or bad price, but it's the price I got.
    • The product seems to include the HD morph? "Kiko 8.1" shows up under "Stylized" figures, and I also see a "Kiko 8.1 HD" figure as well.
    • Kiko materials do come with Anatomical Elements. (I have no idea about the props themselves since I own them many times over.)
    • EDIT: Yes, she loads in with foxy Ear Morphs applied, plus a Tail.

     

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  • Hello,

    After Michael, Victoria and Torment finally a Gen 8.1 figure that I really like for a fantasy, japanese pop culture or supernatural setting. yes
    Kudos!

    Best regards

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,643

    Haha, why does the character description matter in the slightest? I personally like the description DAZ gave her, but it's not like it limits what we can do with them. Jada's description says she's a roller skating 70's undercover cop. I'm using her texture on my 16th century earth spirit who fights demon women. Still works.   ;)

  • I really like that the foxy ears are a morph (Kiko 8.1 Ears are under Head->Ears->Stylized, so you can give a partial Kiko dial as well).

    It's a really cool idea, and actually very helpful with Hair that does not cover the ears because then the morphs are actually kind of cool. Throw on the ear hairs over this? It's brilliant and much appreciated.

    ...

    And, yeah, Jada's description was/is dumb. Holy cow, what a relic of a prior era, and not in a good way, IMO.

  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410
    edited June 2021

    Complaint: Makeups do not come with no-brow option, so every overlay has the eyebrow painted on. (EDIT) I can fix this by hand, but kind of dumb that I have to do this.

    EDIT2: Okay, Kiko's Makeup Weight map is MUCH less aggressive than prior 8.1 makeup weight maps, which tend to paint the entire facial region as "White" (pass-through from the Makeup channel). Kiko's weight map for makeup is much more limited, so hopefully that means the brows won't actually show up in an Iray render even if they show up in a Filament viewport.

    Plastic skin... the SSS map looks like a lighter/more white version of the Diffuse map? (Like, literally the Diffuse map with the brightness turned up.) So, maybe not a lot of tonal variance coming through the Translucency channel.

    I'm going to re-do the SSS maps for myself and see if that gives more drama.

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  • blazblaz Posts: 261

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-poison-love-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

    Can we get an image where I can actually see the clothes!? All I see are some blurry shapes.

     

    Also, is this showing supported body shapes?

     

    And what happened here?

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    She's giving me a Genesis 2 flashback.

  • mazinkaiserzeromazinkaiserzero Posts: 200
    edited June 2021

    The Blurst of Times said:

    Wolfwood said:

     I get some people would have preferred this on SP. But also consider this is still a "toon" character, and lots of people feared getting this on the SP.

     On the bundle...Not the worst we have seen, but still many issues:

    * Still expensive. It does not look like it because of current PC+ sale, but is only 30% discount on base price of its items.

    * 3 Poses/Exp/Anim. Two of those designed only for kiko and not for G8/8.1

    * They include a Bass but the pose set is for a Guitar.

    Some odd aspects:

    * Bundle do not include anatomical elements. Why? August is toonish, young and still includes them. (btw, the anatomical materials listed in readme seems to be for ears and tail)

    * While there is no HD addon. The file list in kiko include several hd morphs. They are certainly not described in the "what's included sections, but neither are ears, tail, makeups...."

    • My price for the bundle was $29.67 with 3(+) add-ons and the orange banner for owning a lot of stuff. I don't know if that's good or bad price, but it's the price I got.
    • The product seems to include the HD morph? "Kiko 8.1" shows up under "Stylized" figures, and I also see a "Kiko 8.1 HD" figure as well.
    • Kiko materials do come with Anatomical Elements. (I have no idea about the props themselves since I own them many times over.)
    • EDIT: Yes, she loads in with foxy Ear Morphs applied, plus a Tail.

     

    did the banner say something about owning anything in particular? I have the stuff in my cart because I figured the banner was just late but still nothing, and I kinda own a lot of stuff, including almost every 8.1 character frown 

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  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,070

    Not feeling this one at all, she reminds me of Cleopatra who I also didn´t care for. But I´m happy for those who like her! yes

  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410
    edited June 2021

    I feel like Kiko is good, but she's not a great entry-level figure. You kind of need to know your way around Daz to make her sing as compared to a Jada 8.1 or Victoria, IMO. Some assembly required, I think.

    Like the skin? The plastic feel, I get that. Maybe it's because she's Stylized? I think the SSS maps are kind of weak, IMO. They don't add much depth the way they're done, but it could be intended due to the style.

    Also, the foxy bits. They are well done but heavy, and my machine kind of gags on them all. It's probably the SBH settings, but I didn't have time to sift through and mess with them. (It takes knowledge of Daz to mess with all of that... let alone diagnose what's causing things to drag or hang.)


    mazinkaiserzero said:

    did the banner say something about owning anything in particular? I have the stuff in my cart because I figured the banner was just late but still nothing, and I kinda own a lot of stuff, including almost every 8.1 character frown 

    Here's the text (noting that the Bundle itself is considered a "Debut New Item"... and that I can count the number of Genesis 8 Pro Bundles that I do not own on one hand):

    Deals on Kiko

    Since you own a significant number of Genesis 8 Pro Bundles, we're offering you an EXTRA 5% OFF any one of today's Debut New Items, an EXTRA 10% OFF any 2, or an EXTRA 30% OFF 3 or more or with the purchase of the Kiko 8.1 Rising Star Bundle!

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  • The Blurst of Times said:

    I feel like Kiko is good, but she's not a great entry-level figure. You kind of need to know your way around Daz to make her sing as compared to a Jada 8.1 or Victoria, IMO. Some assembly required, I think.

    Like, the foxy bits. They are well done but heavy, and my machine kind of gags on them all. It's probably the SBH settings, but I didn't have time to sift through and mess with them. (It takes knowledge of Daz to mess with all of that... let alone diagnose what's causing things to drag or hang.)


    mazinkaiserzero said:

    did the banner say something about owning anything in particular? I have the stuff in my cart because I figured the banner was just late but still nothing, and I kinda own a lot of stuff, including almost every 8.1 character frown 

    Here's the text (noting that the Bundle itself is considered a "Debut New Item"):

    Deals on Kiko

    Since you own a significant number of Genesis 8 Pro Bundles, we're offering you an EXTRA 5% OFF any one of today's Debut New Items, an EXTRA 10% OFF any 2, or an EXTRA 30% OFF 3 or more or with the purchase of the Kiko 8.1 Rising Star Bundle!

    TF?? I own almost every G8 Pro Bundle, I'm missing like 4 or 5 dudes only. *sigh*

    Anyway, I was actually thinking recently that an "Aiko 8.1" was due. I like this character from what I can see on the promos but I just hope this is not an Aiko substitute. 

  • mazinkaiserzero said:

    TF?? I own almost every G8 Pro Bundle, I'm missing like 4 or 5 dudes only. *sigh*

    Anyway, I was actually thinking recently that an "Aiko 8.1" was due. I like this character from what I can see on the promos but I just hope this is not an Aiko substitute. 

    Maybe worth putting in a ticket then? It's a pretty decent deal if you have it all (I got plenty of "free" stuff on the side that I have been wanting, so that's a good deal to me). I do really like the Maho outfit, and they did nice work with the textures... so with the banner? It was doubleplusgood.
    (I don't know how they evaluate the orange banners, or what they do to adjudicate those... but I do like to share my pricing info because I think we ought to share this info with each other.)

    She's definitely not in the same facial structure of an Aiko. She feels more stylized than that, very interesting cheekbones (perhaps because of the kitsune thing and the facial structure of foxes).

  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,982

    Yeah, I own most of the pro bundles too and didn't get a banner, but it looks like the big percentage off is if you wanted the bundle and I just want Kiko, the Maho outfit/textures, and the hair. The other items all look great, but I don't think I will have any use for them but I probably would have still gotten the bundle for the two outfits just in case down the line if I had the banner. I'm going to head out for a bit and if I come back and see a banner, I'll snag the bundle otherwies I'll just get what's in my cart now. 

    With the skin looking kind of plastic/stylized, I totally get the complaint on that for folks wanting a more photo realistic approach, but a lot of my personal projects are with toon characters, so this skin is perfect for what I do and am always looking for some variations so not everyone has the same materials in a scene. 

    I am so happy to see that the HD is included, I really hope this becomes the norm for DO characters. 

  • EboshijaanaEboshijaana Posts: 506

    Amaranth said:

    Ears are easy to go by

    In preferences click on show hidden properties

    Select the hair and under "currently used" dial the PHMKiko8_1Ears to zero

    Oh wow! I did not know that could do the trick!

    Thank you ^^

  • mazinkaiserzeromazinkaiserzero Posts: 200
    edited June 2021

     

    She's definitely not in the same facial structure of an Aiko. She feels more stylized than that, very interesting cheekbones (perhaps because of the kitsune thing and the facial structure of foxes).

    To me she does fit the style, especially when you take into consideration the "evolution" of Aiko, or at least since Aiko 5, I'm not very familiar with the Gen 4 stuff. To me it feels like Kiko is part Aiko7/8 while her head got some of Aiko 6 back. Which I like since I wish future Aikos get back more of Aiko 6 which is a more "full sized anime" figure, while the recent Aikos got the petite/cute treatment. I don't mind Kiko still keeping that style due to her main trait of being a kitsune

    Anyway... I doubt a ticket would work at this point, with the speed they answer those *sigh*, but yeah, thanks for the info!

    PD: About the skin, I think it's fine, she is supposed to be a stylized character, I don't think that pairs very well with realistic skin.

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,029

    Well, I was all set to buy this then realized I already have https://www.daz3d.com/acicia-bundle-for-genesis-8-females which is basically the same thing, and I’ve never even used it. I also have a bunch of singing/K-Pop poses I’ve never used. Not sure if the five freebies are worth it because they are old products I’ve already picked through and there’s nothing in the $1.99 items I want.... My coupon is for the entire cart though so it brings down the price on some other things. Ugh. On the fence again...

  • It's really not the same thing though, but if that character and those ears work for your "kitsune needs", sure, you don't need Kiko 8.1 (but it's not the same as saying it's the same thing)

    I own that one too and I haven't used it precisely because the character is not what I'd use and the ears are pretty fake.

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,152

    I grabbed the bundle.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to play around with rendering today, but I did a quick, out of the box test.  I too like toon characters, including with non realistic skin so that it is easy for post working to make it look even more comic/toon-y.

    Here is a quick render of her face, and then with a toon filter. Out of the box, no lighting or anything.

     

     

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,117
    edited June 2021

    An instant buy for me.  Need fox-spirit characters, and she looks great.  This will compliment the Acicia package with more "DNA".  There are some other characters coming too.  The link to Tia does not work yet.

    From her description, she is more of a Nogitsune (Wild Fox) than a Kitsune, or perhaps she is a Huli Jing (China).   The Kitsune are generally alligned with the Rice God Inari, and so tend to be Lawful to Neutral.  The Nogitsune lean more toward the Chaotic.  Not that this actually matters, as we will make her into whatever we want.

    Fred Gallagher's MEGATOKYO webcomic has some great Kitsune characters.smiley

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  • ChangelingChickChangelingChick Posts: 3,244

    Eboshijaana said:

    ioonrxoon said:

    Eboshijaana said:

    Now to see how the 'sharp ears' issue with hair is being solved with Kiko.

     

    This is what you're referring to?

    Hahaha, EXACTLY that.

    I'm really curious how the namesake hair deals with the ears.

    In case it hasn't been answered, the ears morph for her is separate, and you can turn it off on the hair. Just select the hair, then in Parameters make sure Show Hidden is on, then look for the Ears morph and set it to 0. 

  • brimstoneomegabrimstoneomega Posts: 343
    edited June 2021

    Alright, so after sleeping on her I'm on the fence a bit about the bundle. I'm probably just going to get the sailor outfit, hair, and Kiko herself, don't really need the poses, and I have a few outfits that are close enough to the Poison Love one that I don't really need it.

     Might give it a bit more thought, but I can save a bit of my Daz money opting that way. The free stuff I could get I've picked over too many times and don't need any of that, so while I could get a few things, nothing is anything I'd likely use much. Those monster skulls have been tempting me for years though...

    Can anyone tell me which hair this is? I really like the way it looks on her, especially this rainbow texture.

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  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,522

    After a crap weekend dealing with a sick cat, Daz release a character that I actually want. Onto the wishlist she goes.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Greymom said:

    An instant buy for me.  Need fox-spirit characters, and she looks great.  This will compliment the Acicia package with more "DNA".  There are some other characters coming too.  The link to Tia does not work yet.

    From her description, she is more of a Nogitsune (Wild Fox) than a Kitsune, or perhaps she is a Huli Jing (China).   The Kitsune are generally alligned with the Rice God Inari, and so tend to be Lawful to Neutral.  The Nogitsune lean more toward the Chaotic.  Not that this actually matters, as we will make her into whatever we want.

    Fred Gallagher's MEGATOKYO webcomic has some great Kitsune characters.smiley

    Thanks for make me laughing from remembering AD&D and it's alignment assignments for full races...  laugh

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,029

    Worlds_Edge said:

    I grabbed the bundle.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to play around with rendering today, but I did a quick, out of the box test.  I too like toon characters, including with non realistic skin so that it is easy for post working to make it look even more comic/toon-y.

    Here is a quick render of her face, and then with a toon filter. Out of the box, no lighting or anything.

     

    The toon version looks really cool. Can I ask what filter that is? 

  • PetraPetra Posts: 1,156

    jakiblue said:

    Her skin looks particularly plastic-y. Any better renders from those who have bought her, to show her skin better?

    edit: by "better", I actually mean out of the box or customer images rather than promos. Sorry. 

    I bought her because of the skin as I think it is quite toonish.

     

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,152

    @wonderland it is cartoonizer dlx at befunky dot com

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,029

    Worlds_Edge said:

    @wonderland it is cartoonizer dlx at befunky dot com

    Ah, OK. I thought it was a Photoshop filter. What you did looks cool but I wasn’t impressed with the app itself. And it’s the same price as Photoshop! 

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,152

    @wonderland you can get similar and sometimes better effect through this photoshop plugin - https://graphicriver.net/item/cartoon-maker-clone-photoshop-plugin/28654885#:~:text=Clone is Photoshop smart plugin,special Photoshop or drawing skills.

    I just used it an will show you how it came out.

    If you add a curve or some other method to make it lighter, it is probably almost exactly like the befunky version.

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