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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,973

    melissastjames said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    melissastjames said:

    My only issue/hangup is that the character is based on a real person. I get that we're celebrating a pioneer, but doesn't basing a character on a real person limit use? Book covers and comics have been mentioned, but if I were to create a book cover with this character, wouldn't that cover now stand out as being associated with that real-life person (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)? I may not realize what I'm doing, and the customer/author may not realize it either, but those who purchase the book might. Again, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see how it could be an issue, no matter who the character is based on if that base is a real person. Just think how the likeness could be used for nefarious purposes...such as potentially associating a real life person with a problematic theme or cause, or simply a theme that real person might not want to be associated with. I dunno, just throwing that angle out there. 

    Fanart is the only thing I could say that I personally would be comfortable with when using the likeness of a real person. Like, I purchased the Alatariel character and the only thing I would ever dare use her for is 'The Lord of the Rings' fanart. Or a character who is quite obviously the likeness of Kit Harington I would only use for 'A Song of Ice and Fire' or 'Game of Thrones' fanart. Anything else is...yeah...not so much. 

    And I do appreciate the renders in this thread, as they do flatter the character much moreso than the promo renders. I was not a fan of their skin based on the promos alone, but lighting definitely matters. 

    While I unders6and your personal stance on this, I don't see it as an issue since there are so many ways any user can create a digital likeness of anyone these days and do what they want with it. 

    I guess at this point I can quote the most quotable Ian Malcom - "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should." Haha.

    Like, just because people can make deepfakes now to falsely represent a real life person, it doesn't mean that they should, or that it's any less nefarious to do so with 3D models. I dunno, that's just my opinion. All I know is I'm glad I'm not anybody of consequence...I honestly feel bad for celebrities in that respect. 

    When getting used to "adult themed stories" that figure would probably quite undangerous, as the clientele consuming such stories probably never heard of the person behind the figure.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,675

    I think if you sell your likeness to make a 3D model you have to be prepared your likeness will be the next naked Vicky in the temple. Any perception otherwise displays a lack of understanding of the web or human nature, and a lack of understanding of what drives the market.

     

     

     

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,973

    Serene Night said:

    I think if you sell your likeness to make a 3D model you have to be prepared your likeness will be the next naked Vicky in the temple. Any perception otherwise displays a lack of understanding of the web or human nature, and a lack of understanding of what drives the market.

    *sings* The internet is for pron, the internet is for pron.. so grab your **** and double-click... pron.. pron.. pron...

     

    **** = male anatomical element

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,065

    maikdecker said:

    melissastjames said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    melissastjames said:

    My only issue/hangup is that the character is based on a real person. I get that we're celebrating a pioneer, but doesn't basing a character on a real person limit use? Book covers and comics have been mentioned, but if I were to create a book cover with this character, wouldn't that cover now stand out as being associated with that real-life person (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)? I may not realize what I'm doing, and the customer/author may not realize it either, but those who purchase the book might. Again, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see how it could be an issue, no matter who the character is based on if that base is a real person. Just think how the likeness could be used for nefarious purposes...such as potentially associating a real life person with a problematic theme or cause, or simply a theme that real person might not want to be associated with. I dunno, just throwing that angle out there. 

    Fanart is the only thing I could say that I personally would be comfortable with when using the likeness of a real person. Like, I purchased the Alatariel character and the only thing I would ever dare use her for is 'The Lord of the Rings' fanart. Or a character who is quite obviously the likeness of Kit Harington I would only use for 'A Song of Ice and Fire' or 'Game of Thrones' fanart. Anything else is...yeah...not so much. 

    And I do appreciate the renders in this thread, as they do flatter the character much moreso than the promo renders. I was not a fan of their skin based on the promos alone, but lighting definitely matters. 

    While I unders6and your personal stance on this, I don't see it as an issue since there are so many ways any user can create a digital likeness of anyone these days and do what they want with it. 

    I guess at this point I can quote the most quotable Ian Malcom - "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should." Haha.

    Like, just because people can make deepfakes now to falsely represent a real life person, it doesn't mean that they should, or that it's any less nefarious to do so with 3D models. I dunno, that's just my opinion. All I know is I'm glad I'm not anybody of consequence...I honestly feel bad for celebrities in that respect. 

    When getting used to "adult themed stories" that figure would probably quite undangerous, as the clientele consuming such stories probably never heard of the person behind the figure.

     What one has to wonder being that this model is of a real person, what sort if any waiver they agreed to sign, allowing the use of their likeness for a 3D character..

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited June 2021

    maikdecker said:

    melissastjames said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    melissastjames said:

    My only issue/hangup is that the character is based on a real person. I get that we're celebrating a pioneer, but doesn't basing a character on a real person limit use? Book covers and comics have been mentioned, but if I were to create a book cover with this character, wouldn't that cover now stand out as being associated with that real-life person (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)? I may not realize what I'm doing, and the customer/author may not realize it either, but those who purchase the book might. Again, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see how it could be an issue, no matter who the character is based on if that base is a real person. Just think how the likeness could be used for nefarious purposes...such as potentially associating a real life person with a problematic theme or cause, or simply a theme that real person might not want to be associated with. I dunno, just throwing that angle out there. 

    Fanart is the only thing I could say that I personally would be comfortable with when using the likeness of a real person. Like, I purchased the Alatariel character and the only thing I would ever dare use her for is 'The Lord of the Rings' fanart. Or a character who is quite obviously the likeness of Kit Harington I would only use for 'A Song of Ice and Fire' or 'Game of Thrones' fanart. Anything else is...yeah...not so much. 

    And I do appreciate the renders in this thread, as they do flatter the character much moreso than the promo renders. I was not a fan of their skin based on the promos alone, but lighting definitely matters. 

    While I unders6and your personal stance on this, I don't see it as an issue since there are so many ways any user can create a digital likeness of anyone these days and do what they want with it. 

    I guess at this point I can quote the most quotable Ian Malcom - "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should." Haha.

    Like, just because people can make deepfakes now to falsely represent a real life person, it doesn't mean that they should, or that it's any less nefarious to do so with 3D models. I dunno, that's just my opinion. All I know is I'm glad I'm not anybody of consequence...I honestly feel bad for celebrities in that respect. 

    When getting used to "adult themed stories" that figure would probably quite undangerous, as the clientele consuming such stories probably never heard of the person behind the figure.

    But what about all the other 3D models built from the likeness of real world people? I was speaking in a general sense. 

    Serene Night said:

    I think if you sell your likeness to make a 3D model you have to be prepared your likeness will be the next naked Vicky in the temple. Any perception otherwise displays a lack of understanding of the web or human nature, and a lack of understanding of what drives the market.


    Cattytay Taylor very well may have provided their permission or have been paid to have Daz reproduce their likeness...however I'd imagine that's not the case with every 3D model made from facegen or any other means to reproduce a real world likeness. Right off the top of my head I can think of several between both Daz and Rendo...and that's not even figuring how many are on the other more scary marketplaces, lol. 

     

     

     

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,313
    edited June 2021

    I will respect the human behind this 3D character. I have a fondness for this particular character, who reminds me of so many who had to hide their orientations when I was in the military. So many were friends and accepted the awkward person that I was and were not judgemental. I also note that this character is a great base to morph for someone from Eastern Europe or Russia. There is something that makes me think of a friend whose ancestors came from there.

    I was successful with the hat! My thanks to all the fantastic help from the forum. You all are so great. Here is Catty dancing and tossing the hat. 

    Mary

     

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    CHWT said:

    j cade said:

    I genuinely dont understand how some of the promos make characters look so dry

     

    I just stuck them with the default settings and lit it with an hdri from hdrihaven

    Hi J Cade, OT but may I know which HDRI from HDRIhaven it is? Thanks!

    Its https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=entrance_hall

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,440

    j cade said:

    CHWT said:

    j cade said:

    I genuinely dont understand how some of the promos make characters look so dry

     

    I just stuck them with the default settings and lit it with an hdri from hdrihaven

    Hi J Cade, OT but may I know which HDRI from HDRIhaven it is? Thanks!

    Its https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=entrance_hall

    This is a very cool site... but... I have NO idea HOW to upload them to Daz... are there any instructions... They have a .hdr extention... I thought I needed a .jpg extention to make them work???  

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,440

    memcneil70 said:

    I will respect the human behind this 3D character. I have a fondness for this particular character, who reminds me of so many who had to hide their orientations when I was in the military. So many were friends and accepted the awkward person that I was and were not judgemental. I also note that this character is a great base to morph for someone from Eastern Europe or Russia. There is something that makes me think of a friend whose ancestors came from there.

    I was successful with the hat! My thanks to all the fantastic help from the forum. You all are so great. Here is Catty dancing and tossing the hat. 

    Mary

    WONDERFUL artwork... I'm glad you were able to make the hat a prop!  Well done!  Thanks for sharing.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    Llola Lane said:

    j cade said:

    CHWT said:

    j cade said:

    I genuinely dont understand how some of the promos make characters look so dry

     

    I just stuck them with the default settings and lit it with an hdri from hdrihaven

    Hi J Cade, OT but may I know which HDRI from HDRIhaven it is? Thanks!

    Its https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=entrance_hall

    This is a very cool site... but... I have NO idea HOW to upload them to Daz... are there any instructions... They have a .hdr extention... I thought I needed a .jpg extention to make them work???  

    Basically .hdr is an image file  that contains more lighting info you can plug them into any location an image file goes - in this instance as an environment map in the environmentt settings in the render settings tab

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,183
    j cade said:

    CHWT said:

    j cade said:

    I genuinely dont understand how some of the promos make characters look so dry

     

    I just stuck them with the default settings and lit it with an hdri from hdrihaven

    Hi J Cade, OT but may I know which HDRI from HDRIhaven it is? Thanks!

    Its https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=entrance_hall

    Thanks a lot!
  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,440

    j cade said:

    Llola Lane said:

    j cade said:

    CHWT said:

    j cade said:

    I genuinely dont understand how some of the promos make characters look so dry

     

    I just stuck them with the default settings and lit it with an hdri from hdrihaven

    Hi J Cade, OT but may I know which HDRI from HDRIhaven it is? Thanks!

    Its https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=entrance_hall

    This is a very cool site... but... I have NO idea HOW to upload them to Daz... are there any instructions... They have a .hdr extention... I thought I needed a .jpg extention to make them work???  

    Basically .hdr is an image file  that contains more lighting info you can plug them into any location an image file goes - in this instance as an environment map in the environmentt settings in the render settings tab

    Thanks.. Learn something new every day... I'm gonna give it a try :)  Wish me luck! (fingers crossed)

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,040

    jimmyzpop said:

    Finally had a chance to load Catty, and gotta say that Daz hit a home run for me! Catty is one of the more solid quality products I have purchased at Daz in a while. Great textures, a realistic sculpt that feels different from previous core female characters, solid HD morphs, and load of versatile material / gender / makeup options. I don't mind that Catty is based on a real person since I dial spin / modify all my characters so the end results are usually  not  easy to resemble the exact core character. To be honest, alot of Daz/Poser PA's use real people as inspiration, as well as likeness ie. https://www.daz3d.com/queen-of-desires-hd-for-genesis-8-female. The only way I knew this was based on one specific person was because Daz has a full write up in their promotion.  

    Who is the Queen of Desires based on?  

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,024

    memcneil70 said:

    I will respect the human behind this 3D character. I have a fondness for this particular character, who reminds me of so many who had to hide their orientations when I was in the military. So many were friends and accepted the awkward person that I was and were not judgemental. I also note that this character is a great base to morph for someone from Eastern Europe or Russia. There is something that makes me think of a friend whose ancestors came from there.

    I was successful with the hat! My thanks to all the fantastic help from the forum. You all are so great. Here is Catty dancing and tossing the hat. 

    Mary

     

    Awesome - love the image :D

  • SBibbSBibb Posts: 599

    Wonderland said:

    jimmyzpop said:

    Finally had a chance to load Catty, and gotta say that Daz hit a home run for me! Catty is one of the more solid quality products I have purchased at Daz in a while. Great textures, a realistic sculpt that feels different from previous core female characters, solid HD morphs, and load of versatile material / gender / makeup options. I don't mind that Catty is based on a real person since I dial spin / modify all my characters so the end results are usually  not  easy to resemble the exact core character. To be honest, alot of Daz/Poser PA's use real people as inspiration, as well as likeness ie. https://www.daz3d.com/queen-of-desires-hd-for-genesis-8-female. The only way I knew this was based on one specific person was because Daz has a full write up in their promotion.  

    Who is the Queen of Desires based on?  

    I don't know that it was ever said outright anywhere, but I think there was speculation that she was based to some degree on Adele. I could be thinking of someone else, though.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100

    I gave up trying to buy the bundles. None (and I mean none) of the special offers those days worked properly.

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416
    edited July 2021

    I really do like the quality of this model.  In this image I was just having a go at lighting and expression. And of course, both characters are 100% Catty.

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  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,879

    Gogger said:

    I really do like the quality of this model.  In this image I was just having a go at lighting and expression. And of course, both characters are 100% Catty.

    Love that render! Would you mind sharing your lighting setup? It's beautiful!

    I'd really love to get Catty, but I'm not so fond of the body. Can I split the head morph just like I would when, say, exporting a G3 head morph for G8? Is it the same process? I could do that.

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416

    tsroemi said:

    Gogger said:

    I really do like the quality of this model.  In this image I was just having a go at lighting and expression. And of course, both characters are 100% Catty.

     

    Love that render! Would you mind sharing your lighting setup? It's beautiful!

    I'd really love to get Catty, but I'm not so fond of the body. Can I split the head morph just like I would when, say, exporting a G3 head morph for G8? Is it the same process? I could do that.

    Thanks, @tsroemi. The lights are :  Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes | Daz 3D  specifically the "Rembrandt" scene (if I recall correctly)

    and the other items used are listed on the gallery image here: https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/user/6426613281456128#gallery=newest&page=1&image=1156510

    I am not at my home computer right now, but I am PRETTY SURE the head and body morphs are separate.

    Good luck!

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,040

    The head and body morph are definitely separate.

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,879

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,040
    edited July 2021

    Here is Catty head at 50% with other morphs and her body dialed out. This is the best PBR 8.1 skin I've seen so far. Much better than V8.1!

     

     

     

     

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  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416

    Wonderland said:

    Here is Catty head at 50% with other morphs and her body dialed out. This is the best PBR 8.1 skin I've seen so far. Much better than V8.1!

     

     

    Nice! I really like your head morph!
  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416

    tsroemi said:

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

    I can't recommend 'Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes' highly enough! It can be a really great set to use as is, or even just to learn from - it is SUPER EASY TO USE and get your own great results. The other light set I swear by is 'BOSS Pro Light Set for Portraits & Promos'.  It can be a little tricky to wrap your brain around but it is actually very, very easy and very customizable with stunning results.

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,152

    @wonderland you did a great job of mixing morphs.  In your version, she looks very pretty!

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,879

    Gogger said:

    tsroemi said:

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

    I can't recommend 'Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes' highly enough! It can be a really great set to use as is, or even just to learn from - it is SUPER EASY TO USE and get your own great results. The other light set I swear by is 'BOSS Pro Light Set for Portraits & Promos'.  It can be a little tricky to wrap your brain around but it is actually very, very easy and very customizable with stunning results.

    Thanks again, just put it on my wishlist. It says you need to buy the Render Studio base as well, so I guess I'll have to wait a little before some money accumulates again after the June sale ;-). But it sounds real good. I'm terrible with lighting so need all the help I can get. Fast Production Lights is also quite good I think, no? It's very helpful for learning about all the different aspects that make up a good HDRI lit image. Have been using that for a while, then fell in love with Fabiana's Theory of Light sets over at RR. They're so lovely, but I don't think they're portrait lights really. Boss Lights, I'm a bit scared of, to be honest. Maybe it's the title ... ;-)

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Wonderland said:

    Here is Catty head at 50% with other morphs and her body dialed out. This is the best PBR 8.1 skin I've seen so far. Much better than V8.1!

    Wow!!! What a great head morph. She looks beautiful and interesting. I really have to get Catty now. 

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,440

    Gogger said:

    tsroemi said:

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

    I can't recommend 'Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes' highly enough! It can be a really great set to use as is, or even just to learn from - it is SUPER EASY TO USE and get your own great results. The other light set I swear by is 'BOSS Pro Light Set for Portraits & Promos'.  It can be a little tricky to wrap your brain around but it is actually very, very easy and very customizable with stunning results.

    I love Colm Jackson 's stuff... I have quite a bit of it... Does the Render Studio work with Iray?  I don't see anything about it.

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416

    Llola Lane said:

    Gogger said:

    tsroemi said:

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

    I can't recommend 'Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes' highly enough! It can be a really great set to use as is, or even just to learn from - it is SUPER EASY TO USE and get your own great results. The other light set I swear by is 'BOSS Pro Light Set for Portraits & Promos'.  It can be a little tricky to wrap your brain around but it is actually very, very easy and very customizable with stunning results.

    I love Colm Jackson 's stuff... I have quite a bit of it... Does the Render Studio work with Iray?  I don't see anything about it.

    In short, yes it is IRAY.

    The Production scenes I mentioned has a prerequisite: Render Studio 2.0 - Volumetric Plus and that one states it is IRAY. 

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,440

    Gogger said:

    Llola Lane said:

    Gogger said:

    tsroemi said:

    Thanks @Gogger and @Wonderland! Just got myself the character. It's so much easier if head and body are separate, I wonder why they didn't specify that on the product page. Anways, looking forward to playing with Catty. Will also have a close look at Render Studio!

    I can't recommend 'Render Studio 2.0 - Production Scenes' highly enough! It can be a really great set to use as is, or even just to learn from - it is SUPER EASY TO USE and get your own great results. The other light set I swear by is 'BOSS Pro Light Set for Portraits & Promos'.  It can be a little tricky to wrap your brain around but it is actually very, very easy and very customizable with stunning results.

    I love Colm Jackson 's stuff... I have quite a bit of it... Does the Render Studio work with Iray?  I don't see anything about it.

    In short, yes it is IRAY.

    The Production scenes I mentioned has a prerequisite: Render Studio 2.0 - Volumetric Plus and that one states it is IRAY. 

    Thanks Gogger ... in the cart they go ;)

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