The big announcement on September 21, 2022 - place your bets!

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    caravelle said:

    marble said:

    I'm starting to think it will be something connected with NVidia ... Omniverse? USD? Maybe.

    If Apple had come to an agreement with Nvidia, that would be a sensible option. But until that happens, I doubt it makes economic sense for Daz to continue to exclude Mac users.

    Why not?  Apple hasn't exactly been spending a lot of effort supporting the home computer market either as of late.   

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    Robert Freise said:

    ColinFrench said:Edit: If this sounds vaguely familiar to long, long term Daz users, well, history has a funny way of repeating itself. ;-)

    I remember when Daz aquired PoserPros and renamed it Daz Poser Pros with the promise that all of our content that was purchased there would remain available for us to download and then when they closed it almost everything that I had purchased there became unavailable for download

    DAZ has a rather poor record when it comes to mergers, aquisitions, new ventures, and follow-through in general.     

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,379

    Cybersox said:

    caravelle said:

    marble said:

    I'm starting to think it will be something connected with NVidia ... Omniverse? USD? Maybe.

    If Apple had come to an agreement with Nvidia, that would be a sensible option. But until that happens, I doubt it makes economic sense for Daz to continue to exclude Mac users.

    Why not?  Apple hasn't exactly been spending a lot of effort supporting the home computer market either as of late.   

    As long as Apple continutes to provide complete home computers for less than the price of a really good NVidia card, we'll just have to agree to disagree

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    caravelle said:

    marble said:

    I'm starting to think it will be something connected with NVidia ... Omniverse? USD? Maybe.

    If Apple had come to an agreement with Nvidia, that would be a sensible option. But until that happens, I doubt it makes economic sense for Daz to continue to exclude Mac users.

     

    It was precisely because DAZ Studio and my beloved iMac were so incompatible that I sold it a few years ago and moved over to a Windows PC. Trying to render using a CPU just wastes time that I am becoming increasingly short of. I would have loved to stay on my iMac (although I have realised a few more disadvantages of the Apple universe since leaving them) just like I would love it if DAZ Studio ran natively on Linux. I am not a great fan of Microsoft or, for that matter, NVidia, but sometimes you just have to go where the action is.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    marble said:

    caravelle said:

    marble said:

    I'm starting to think it will be something connected with NVidia ... Omniverse? USD? Maybe.

    If Apple had come to an agreement with Nvidia, that would be a sensible option. But until that happens, I doubt it makes economic sense for Daz to continue to exclude Mac users.

     

    It was precisely because DAZ Studio and my beloved iMac were so incompatible that I sold it a few years ago and moved over to a Windows PC. Trying to render using a CPU just wastes time that I am becoming increasingly short of. I would have loved to stay on my iMac (although I have realised a few more disadvantages of the Apple universe since leaving them) just like I would love it if DAZ Studio ran natively on Linux. I am not a great fan of Microsoft or, for that matter, NVidia, but sometimes you just have to go where the action is.

    Yep.  15 years ago the post production studios at my company was almost completely Mac based.  Now it's completely PC.  That's nothing to do with brand politics or even value for dollar, and everything to do with software compatability and the power of the computers themselves, and that trend is consistant across the entire film and television industry.  The minute Apple started making more money in the first few days of a new iPhone's release than they do on computer sales in an entire year, they lost all focus on the computer market. 

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,636

    I wonder if it could be the not-for-commercial-use products that they had mentioned a while back.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,379

    Cybersox said:

    Yep.  15 years ago the post production studios at my company was almost completely Mac based.  Now it's completely PC.  That's nothing to do with brand politics or even value for dollar, and everything to do with software compatability and the power of the computers themselves, and that trend is consistant across the entire film and television industry.  The minute Apple started making more money in the first few days of a new iPhone's release than they do on computer sales in an entire year, they lost all focus on the computer market. 

    For a company that's lost all focus on the computer market, thery're sure coming out with a lot of m1- and m2-based laptops, Mac Minis, Mac Studios and iMac; I can only imagine if they'd kept their focus...

    Not interested in argueing, again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

     

  • bishboschbishbosch Posts: 50
    edited September 2022

    Whatever comes next, I pray to God it's tailored to external applications (for all products, but particularly hair and fur) and their external non-IRAY renderers. If it's a "metaverse"-centric announcment then I hope it takes inspiration from the massive advancements and incredible drive of contributors like Diffeomorphic and David Vodhanel, to name a few, too

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    johnjdesigns108 said:

    You know, Exposure software kind of dropped off the map back in June and no new release was annouinced for this year. They're either going belly up or being aquired by someone else.

    ..just went to their site and it's still active.    I had interest in their software until they dumped W7 support. Played with one of their demos a couple years ago and really liked it.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    wsterdan said:

    Cybersox said:

    Yep.  15 years ago the post production studios at my company was almost completely Mac based.  Now it's completely PC.  That's nothing to do with brand politics or even value for dollar, and everything to do with software compatability and the power of the computers themselves, and that trend is consistant across the entire film and television industry.  The minute Apple started making more money in the first few days of a new iPhone's release than they do on computer sales in an entire year, they lost all focus on the computer market. 

    For a company that's lost all focus on the computer market, thery're sure coming out with a lot of m1- and m2-based laptops, Mac Minis, Mac Studios and iMac; I can only imagine if they'd kept their focus...

    Not interested in argueing, again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

     

     

    Regardless of platform, most in this thread seem to be hoping for something from their wishlist but expecting the next Genesis figure. I may be misreading the mood but I don't expect many jaws to drop if the latter is the case. Those wishlist hopes include many things that have been requested for years and have been ignored either partially or completely by DAZ because they can make more money by re-introducing a new figure every so often to start the sales cycle all over again. New clothing, morphs packs, characters and utilities which are all specific to the new figure. 

    I carried on with G3F for a year and G3M for 2 years before the lack of products for G3 in addition to some interesting characters drew me into the G8 family. Now I have a much larger library of G8 stuff than I did for G3 so G9 (or whatever generational label it may be) will have to actually live up to the "Jaw Dropping" hype to tempt me again. I don't really object to a new figure but I would prefer that those wishlists were given some attention.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    ...pretty much the only G8/8.1 characters I have are ones that i wish would  have been available for G3 .

    That said the improvement  to facial rigging, was not enough to get me to buy into a whole new generation particularly since, as mentioned elsewhere, the Advanced Facial Rigging kit was first released as an add on for G3. 

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,379

    marble said:

    Regardless of platform, most in this thread seem to be hoping for something from their wishlist but expecting the next Genesis figure. I may be misreading the mood but I don't expect many jaws to drop if the latter is the case. Those wishlist hopes include many things that have been requested for years and have been ignored either partially or completely by DAZ because they can make more money by re-introducing a new figure every so often to start the sales cycle all over again. New clothing, morphs packs, characters and utilities which are all specific to the new figure. 

    I carried on with G3F for a year and G3M for 2 years before the lack of products for G3 in addition to some interesting characters drew me into the G8 family. Now I have a much larger library of G8 stuff than I did for G3 so G9 (or whatever generational label it may be) will have to actually live up to the "Jaw Dropping" hype to tempt me again. I don't really object to a new figure but I would prefer that those wishlists were given some attention.

    I agree; I think if something actually "jaw-dropping" comes out, we'll probably be dropping our jaws more in disbelief, so, "jaw-dropping" but not in a good way. So many things have been expected for a while, I can't think of anything that we're *not* already expecting that would surprise us all that much.

    I will freely admit that giving us such cheap, commercial licences and then giving us all our previous purchaes for free the way they did actually was jaw-dropping for me, so, fingers crossed they can do it again.

  • I just got back from the dentist where I had my jaw wired shut for a little while just in case. Nothing is going to make my draw drop unless it is like that of a Dubstep drop.
  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,564

    .... most in this thread seem to be hoping for something from their wishlist but...

    I'm not so sure that those who make these type of decisions ever look through the forum comments, although the kerfuffle over DRM a few years back did produce a "You have been heard" change of direction. Obviously as Daz is a commercial enterprise any decisions made will be in the interest of profitability so I can't seeing them introducing anything to seriously alienate their consumer base, well not a large number of them anyway.

  • marble do yourself a favour and check out Twitter

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,172

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    marble do yourself a favour and check out Twitter

    I'm not sure anybody's life has ever been enriched by Twitter.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    marble do yourself a favour and check out Twitter

     

    I'm not even sure I would know how blush

    I've never used Twitter even though I opened an account years ago. I got to the stage where even Facebook was too much for me (idiots trying to friend me and include me in their weird groups) so I abandoned that too. So I don't follow DAZ anywhere else but here on this forum. Oh, correction: I do have a Reddit account and there is a DAZ Reddit but I rarely go there.

  • I use Reddit for keeping up with Flowscape images and IdiotsInCars. I hadn't realised there was a DAZ Reddit. As for people who twit; Let's just say I try not to.
  • ... Maybe, just maybe, they finally mastered how to make a 6 legged Horse!!!

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    Catherine3678ab said:

    ... Maybe, just maybe, they finally mastered how to make a 6 legged Horse!!!

    Y'know, that's basically what a Centaur is, so add Oso3D's Horseman to the G8M centaur and hoove geographs for the hands if needed.  Problem solved. :)  

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,487

    wsterdan said:

    Cybersox said:

    Yep.  15 years ago the post production studios at my company was almost completely Mac based.  Now it's completely PC.  That's nothing to do with brand politics or even value for dollar, and everything to do with software compatability and the power of the computers themselves, and that trend is consistant across the entire film and television industry.  The minute Apple started making more money in the first few days of a new iPhone's release than they do on computer sales in an entire year, they lost all focus on the computer market. 

    For a company that's lost all focus on the computer market, thery're sure coming out with a lot of m1- and m2-based laptops, Mac Minis, Mac Studios and iMac; I can only imagine if they'd kept their focus...

    Not interested in argueing, again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    +1 yes

     

     

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,387
    edited September 2022

    Cybersox said:

    Catherine3678ab said:

    ... Maybe, just maybe, they finally mastered how to make a 6 legged Horse!!!

    Y'know, that's basically what a Centaur is, so add Oso3D's Horseman to the G8M centaur and hoove geographs for the hands if needed.  Problem solved. :)  

    Nooooo ... actually I did figure out how to make a 6 legged horse mesh wise {geograft, Horse2} but couldn't figure out the rigging. {there are times when a $35,000 university course would probably come in handy}

    6 legged horse type animal from Avatar

    This is what we want :-)  {understandably with a few discrete changes}

    Post edited by Catherine3678ab on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    .. Sleipnir, I presume.

  • edited September 2022

    Hmmmm.....

    I think all indicators are pointing to G9.  And, if it will make my "jaw drop", I'll admit that I am curious to see what all the hub-bub will be.

    Because if the changes made between G8 and G8.1 were so minimal that it only "advanced" the generation ".1", then there should be a lot going on with the new model to get the moniker "G9", and I hope a significant portion of the advancement are going to be made "under the hood".

    We are all saying "G9", but if its really a "G8.2", i think there will be a collective groan from the Daz verse.

    Post edited by pjwhoopie@yandex.com on
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Chumly said:

    Hmmmm.....

    I think all indicators are pointing to G9.  And, if it will make my "jaw drop", I'll admit that I am curious to see what all the hub-bub will be.

    Yeah, the problem with G9 is that, things like soft body physics and working IK, would need to be supported by DS, which means DS5 (at least we hope to get them with it)
    Anything less would be just 'dressing".

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,172

    kyoto kid said:

    .. Sleipnir, I presume.

    Sleipnir had 8 legs.

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/0/0e/Direhorse_lead_1.jpg/

    must use forum link protocol not paste

    Thought I had, it was working for me. However I've edited it and redid and hopefully that's okay now. Thanks.

  • Maxstar IllusionsMaxstar Illusions Posts: 500
    edited September 2022

    Though myself I think it's Genesis 9 (with or without DAZ 5.0), let me have a fantasy of:

    DAZ Creature 1.0 with a unique liquid evolution system. With a "creature embrio" to be a kind of basic genesis figure. It can be evolved to any animal including DAZ Horse 3.0 (or was it 8.0?) by means of "evolution" sliders. ;)

     

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  • I still seriously think that this all hinges on nVidia's big announcement tomorrow.  Features have been leaked about the 4000 series cards, and new innovations to Geforce in general.  Some rumours have been leaked online about some of the capabilities of the cards, though nothing is set in stone till Jensen takes the stage tomorrow.

    Though, if there were some breakthroughs in some aspects (real time ray tracing capabilities, better physics, etc), dollars to doughnuts developers such as Daz, Autodesk, etc were all given the specs and development cards to work with so they could create fancy new software to go along with the new cards.  After all, you don't want groundbreaking technology out there with nothing able to support that technology. Games and apps are probably already set to be dropped after tomorrow that will use the 4000 cards to their full potential.

    This is just wishful thinking, I guess...but could you imagine the power of Daz being able to utilize real time ray tracing?  Creating iRay images would be as quick as creating filament draw images.  Animations would take hours or minutes instead of days.

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