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Yikes, and I thought the FE was huge.
ARS has a preview with some size comparision photos -- how about bigger than a whole XBox S console!
Did anybody notice the card he held up was a 3090 Ti
Ars Technica has an article about the RTX 4090, showing it's size in comparison to some common objects like a banana and an Xbox... the thing is a monster... slap a set of seats on that it and aim the fan downwards and you got yourself a hovercraft.
You could probably warm your house with it rendering in the winter months too...
I'm definitely holding out for reviews, but I'll probably try to hold out for a 4090 Ti with the rumors of them having 48 GB of VRAM.
I have 2 3090's, so I doubt a single 4090 will be significantly faster rendering to be worth the expense.
Call me when the 5090 is released, as my 3090 will serve me well until that time… Plus, I plan a move to another state soon, so finances will be tight!
In regards to PSUs, you won't *need* a PCIe 5.0 PSU to run it. It will help, but it's not necessary. Your PSU just needs to be capable of delivering up to 600W. You also need 4X PCIE 8-pin connectors for it. Whatever you do, don't use the pig-tail connectors to run 2X PCIE through one cable. This will put a lot of strain on your power cables and could potentially lead to a fire.
I picked up an EVGA 1200W P3 power supply. It has 8X 8-pin PCIE connectors on it, which are all just single cables (no pigtails). This should be more than sufficient for a 12th gen CPU and a 4090 video card.
So Jayz2Cents did his size comparison video of the FE and Asus Strix 4090, to the older cards. And well they are huge, more so the Asus card as you might need a new case as well seeing the size of it. The funny thing with the video thumbnail, the case shown could fit a Asus 3090 Strix the Asus 4090 Strix on the other hand does not fit as it is too long..
Guys please don't listen to Jay2Cents, he has not a lot of clue about hardware, just talking bullshit about some rumours which makes no sense etc...
Listen to Steve / Gamers Nexus, he is the good guy.
And People who expect the 4090 is just 30/40% faster than a 3090... I don't know guys. the Clock is way higher than before (20) you get 70?% more Cuda cores AND the most and important part is that the RT cores are twice the speed as before at the same clock, so its 2.2-2.5 times faster.
We will see if its really double the speed or or but it is around 80-120% faster for sure. the Temps are crazy low and the 4090 has maybe the best cooler ever. check the video from GN. the GPU never gets hotter than 55C, the 3090 was more like 80-85.
and a 4090ti won't have 48GB VRAM because there are no RAM modules of that size (2GB is the biggest GDDR6X module). and 48GB is more like a thing for a tesla/quadro card because no gamer needs that for sure. The only reason it is 24GB and not 16GB is because of the 384 bus (12x32 bit) so you have to put 12 RAM modules on the board. if they would just install 8 it would reduce the memory bandwidth.
I think both have their place, Steve/Gamers Nexus will dive in to more technical detail where as Jay will be more layman oriented. I think Jay also produces good content and is a little more entertaining.
We'll just have to wait on see on a 4090 Ti. That's been the rumor anyways. Nvidia knows the 3090 isn't really a strict gamer card, they used to coin them Prosumer - the person that both games and uses them for 3D rendering applications either a hobby or professionally. The 3090 was a little unique in that they got some strictly gamers due to the availability issues with the 3000 series release - many that couldn't get a 3080 went up to a 3090.
Jay is more of the 'every man' kind of tech YouTuber. He's not super technical, but he puts the technology to practical tests that the average user is going to go through.
My tech-run typically is: Jay: is this new technology worth it? Jesus: Will this technology burn my house down? Linus: Can I hook up 9 4090s in SLI and play CS:GO?
When Nvidia CEO revealed the 3090 in 2020, he introduced it by statiing that creators were asking for more VRAM. While they talked about gaming later in the presentation, it is very important to remember that Nvidia themselves openly said the 3090 was a creator's card. Not to mention the 3090 is only 10-15% faster than the 3080 for video games. The performance gap made zero sense and the VRAM is specifically what separates the cards. Otherwise the 3090 should not exist at all.
After all, they later released both a 3080ti and a 3080 12GB. Also, the 3090 did not even have its memory clocked to the max spec of GDDR6X. If the memory spec was really that important to them, it stands to reason they would have figured out a way to get that done for the 3090.
More over, there were plans for 3080s and 3070s that had double VRAM capacity. Printed retail boxes were made, and just last month there appears to be a stash of the 3080 20GB cards discovered in the wild. And we cannot forget the 3060 launched with 12GB itself. When you consider the 3060, it all lines up. The wild 2020 and 2021 changed Nvidia's plans. Once they found they could sell every card they produced, they killed the double VRAM 3080 and 3070.
Nvidia might regret this now, given the huge stock pile of unsold cards that now remain in the wake of the crypto crash. 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB would be more enticing to people and possibly hold their value better.
I am sure the 4090ti will not have 48GB, but a Titan Lovelace might if they go for it. However Nvidia is skiddish on releasing a Titan when AMD is competing well. The Titan is meant to be the undisputed king, and if AMD has any chance at all of beating it, Nvidia will simply not release it. This is likely another reason we got a 3090 instead of a Titan Ampere.
they said the 3090 is a creator card just because of the price obviously. 3080 has the same gpu as 3090 but cut down the bus and some GPCs.
sure there will be a 4090ti because 4090 has just 128 of 144 cores active, still they won't add more memory. they would have to put the extra RAM dies on the back and that would cause even bigger problems again.
AMD is no competitor for Nvidia in our case because no RT acceleration, no cuda support and they don't care about content creators.
and the comparison of 3080 and 3090 is a bad example because it just happened once. The gap was just so small because they canceled the GA103-die. now its back to the old way and the gap is bigger again. 4080 is something like 35%+ slower
About jay, he may be more the guy for the casuals, yet he's spreading bullshit in every 2nd video.
4090 has lower peaks than 3090ti and they both got a TDP of 450Watts, so there is no reason things should become worth, he should know that or he has less clue about hardware than the average joe. its just clickbait and imho not entertaining at all, but everybody likes different stuff =D.
LTT is a better compromise!?
LTT isn't very thorough, IMHO. He's more about big expensive stuff, and doing stuff that you really shouldn't do or wouldn't practically do. He knows his stuff better than Jay, but his videos have always been more about, "How can we utilize 10 of these things at once?"
Honestly, the better middleground between Gamers Nexus and Jayztwocents would be Pauls Hardware.
Yeah when it comes to Techtubers I watch many and not just one, because then I get many different viewpoints. If I want some light entertainment with some interesting info then it is LTT and and Jayz. If I want indepth then it is Pauls Hardware, Hardware Unboxed. There are a couple of others, but that is just about it.
I have to ask and why not? I am of the I like to see many sources than just one, because they are all different and can have different outcomes when they talk about the world of computers.
Did nVidia just glue 4 graphics cards together and call it RTX 4000 ? This card is a joke. Here's your 4-cable power supply, buddy.
Here is an interesting RTX 4090 that I have not seen mentioned yet...
NOTE: The RTX 4090 air-cooled cards are all triple-slot cards and use 3-slots.
On-the-other-hand, the MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID X 24G is a water-cooled card that only uses 2-slot width for the RTX 4090 (but you do need space in your case to mount the radiator).
Specs:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/msi-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x.b9757
See it to believe it...
One RTX 4090 is HUGE - Here are 4 of them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjBWpdukzv4&t=795s
WOW $1599 my PC I built didn't cost that but of course I built that machine 2 yrs. ago. I didn't see the 4060 in that list for us poor cerfs lol. Probably because the projected release date will be long after the release of these high monsters Most like Jan. 2023
actually the FE has 3 connectors and sure you gonna need 3 because 8 pins deliver only 150Watts. AMD needs 3 too.
but you can also use the new single 12 connector cables.
the cooler is the biggest leap, check the GN video its just awesome. the GPU is going to be only 50C, its really awesome. Ada gen is really great, the only problem are the prices yes.
The overlocked RTX 4090 cards require 4 power cables and take up 4 slots, so I'm not even exaggerating.
I spoke with Corsair and their new cable for my 1200W Corsair power supply is a 600w 2 8pin to one 12 pin connector. Looks like a pretty clean solution.
The reason is supposedly with Crypto mining suddenly having the rug pulled out from under it with Ethereum going to PoS video card sales tanked. Add to it supply chain started catching up. IIRC Nvidia wanted to lower the number of contracted chips being fabricated at TSMC but they said tough, stick to the contract.
In any event, there is a large supply of cards now with far lower demand. The info from those YouTube channels mentioned is that Nvidia is only selling the 4080 and up to clear out inventory of 3000 series cards. So I suppose it's hard to say at the moment when we'll see the lower end 4000 series cards. But who knows, AMD is coming out with cards next month and look pretty promising and might shake things up a bit.
I know, thats why I said the FE just needs 3. Of course if you push the powerconsumption to 600 watts, every GPU would need 4x8pin connectors. But you don't have to overclock!? : ) 4090 is just gaining around 13% with the last 100 watts (from 350 to 450) so just limit the TDP and you are fine with even a 750W PSU
and RDNA3 (radeon 7xxx) are going to use 3x8pins too.
The reception shows who the target was. Pretty much every gaming review outlet was extremely critical of the 3090. HardwareUnboxed and GamersNexus were straight up brutal on the 3090, saying it was "stupid". Linus of LTT was only slightly nicer, but he also called out Jenson Huang by name in his review.
But in the creator field the 3090 was eagerly anticipated like few GPUs have ever been. In the creator's eyes, the 3090 was $1000 cheaper than a Titan RTX (at MSRP at least) while being much faster. To creators, the 3090 was practically a win-win. The reactions could not have been more opposite.
And Nvidia knew this going in, and marketed accordingly. But if the content creator market did not exist, I can assure you that the 3090 would not exist, either. There would have been just a 3080ti instead with 12GB. The 3080ti's existance totally invalidates the 3090 for gaming. Which, BTW, the x80ti often came very close to the Titan of that generation. Like the 780ti and the Kepler Titan. 980ti and Titan Maxwell. 1080ti and Titan Pascal. 2080ti and Titan RTX. 3080ti and....3090.
I believe that demonstrates what the 3090 was intended to be.
Moore's Law is Dead posted some info about what he is hearing from reviewers. It sounds positive, which is interesting. This guy is often pretty harsh on Nvidia, so it was kind of surprising to hear him speak so positively about the 4090 launch, even if the information is mostly the same as before. I also find it funny given the reception to the 3090 I just spoke about.
He also said that launch day stock is 4-5 times higher than the 3090 was, and that they will be much easier to get.
I was watching that video and he had some interesting insights into what is going on. One was the 4070 and supposed specs for it, the other was the rumors/reports on the 4090ti or titan and how nvidia's labs were having problems with it tripping breakers, melting power supplies and or melting the cards themselves. And if the rumors/reports are true they have cancelled work on it for now.
50c is watercooled territory. Latest leak suggests mid 60s for the core which sounds more likely.
He seems to have a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks kind of approach. He wasn't close on the last gen stuff and then made a huffy video about how his sources had let him down. Haven't watched his content since, just see it reported elsewhere.
I'm mostly looking forward to seeing PC Centric trying to install a 4090, he's not the biggest built fella. When he went by 3090s I found myself shouting, 'Two man lift!'
The 4090 is now showing up in blenders benchmark database at rougly twice the performance of a 3090: https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&compute_type=HIP&compute_type=METAL&compute_type=ONEAPI&group_by=device_name&blender_version=3.3.0
Thanks for posting that. I was hoping there would be a bigger gap between the synthetic gaming benchmarks that are floating around and the render performance. Can't personally justify the price at 2x.
2X the performance seems like a huge jump for a single generation. That will improve as drivers get refined, and at roughly the same MSRP as the 3090 was it seems like a good deal to me!
- Greg