Victoria 9 HD Pre Purchase Disappointment Issues

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  • shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed with the way Daz rolled out G9.  First of all the Victoria 9 character....two skin choices, freckled and vitiligo?!?!  I will never use vitiligo (and I read a lot of other people won't either), I just don't understand why they didn't offer freckled and just a regular skin texture (with no moles, freckles, blemishes, warts, or big patches of different colored skin).
    Also not releasing a morph pack, with body and face morphs is also hard to understand. Instead we get a "starter pack" with a million choices of eyebrows and eyelashes.

    As shadowhawk1 said, this release is a train wreck. Poor planning, poor implementation.

    LOL I was jsut going to reply about the calling me Shadowhack1 when you corrected it. Hadn't had a good laugh like that since... Well the release of Victoria 9 :D 

    To be honest, I feel for all the people that bought the pre-release bundle in good faith not knowing what was in it and are now stuck behind a gate as all of those that purchased the same bundle the day of release are getting to use her. I think daz has finally trumped their storefront disaster.

    Sorry about the misspelling, I'm due to get new glasses soon.  But glad you got a laugh.
    Anyway, now they have Toon Kids and Fantasy Ear morphs for G9 - But no essential (normal) body and head morphs yet.  There is "Werwulf for Genesis 9" that looks like it might have some muscle morphs in it, but it's probably one slider adjustment for the whole body.   Priorities!  Priorities!   (And no I'm not a pateint kind of person) frown

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,200

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed with the way Daz rolled out G9.  First of all the Victoria 9 character....two skin choices, freckled and vitiligo?!?!  I will never use vitiligo (and I read a lot of other people won't either), I just don't understand why they didn't offer freckled and just a regular skin texture (with no moles, freckles, blemishes, warts, or big patches of different colored skin).
    Also not releasing a morph pack, with body and face morphs is also hard to understand. Instead we get a "starter pack" with a million choices of eyebrows and eyelashes.

    As shadowhawk1 said, this release is a train wreck. Poor planning, poor implementation.

    LOL I was jsut going to reply about the calling me Shadowhack1 when you corrected it. Hadn't had a good laugh like that since... Well the release of Victoria 9 :D 

    To be honest, I feel for all the people that bought the pre-release bundle in good faith not knowing what was in it and are now stuck behind a gate as all of those that purchased the same bundle the day of release are getting to use her. I think daz has finally trumped their storefront disaster.

    Sorry about the misspelling, I'm due to get new glasses soon.  But glad you got a laugh.
    Anyway, now they have Toon Kids and Fantasy Ear morphs for G9 - But no essential (normal) body and head morphs yet.  There is "Werwulf for Genesis 9" that looks like it might have some muscle morphs in it, but it's probably one slider adjustment for the whole body.   Priorities!  Priorities!   (And no I'm not a pateint kind of person) frown

    LOL no need to apologize, like I said I thought it was funny. Yeah I see they are coming out with more and more stuff, but strangely no morph packs. This train just keeps picking up speed. devil

  • JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Yep, still no bonus items. Plus the same problem as @sberlins described above with Victoria bundle items. Only shop shows that I own them, but no products in DIM or DC (searched and filtered in any possible way to find eventually hidden product). And via the product page on the website just endless "connecting" state without any products appearing for download. Got quite a quick reply from help that the problem should be solved, but no, not solved and no more replies either. Also considering to return the product and get money back. The fun is all over.

  • Maxstar Illusions said:

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Yep, still no bonus items. Plus the same problem as @sberlins described above with Victoria bundle items. Only shop shows that I own them, but no products in DIM or DC (searched and filtered in any possible way to find eventually hidden product). And via the product page on the website just endless "connecting" state without any products appearing for download. Got quite a quick reply from help that the problem should be solved, but no, not solved and no more replies either. Also considering to return the product and get money back. The fun is all over.

    You should definitely open a ticket to get that sorted out. I did, and it was solved within a day. Given the way this release worked (or better: failed to work), I am not sure that Daz is fully aware of all the glitches. Especially, if all the products of the bundle are shown as "purchased" but there is nothing in your library, then this may be a totally different sort of beast they have to deal with. 

  • shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed with the way Daz rolled out G9.  First of all the Victoria 9 character....two skin choices, freckled and vitiligo?!?!  I will never use vitiligo (and I read a lot of other people won't either), I just don't understand why they didn't offer freckled and just a regular skin texture (with no moles, freckles, blemishes, warts, or big patches of different colored skin).
    Also not releasing a morph pack, with body and face morphs is also hard to understand. Instead we get a "starter pack" with a million choices of eyebrows and eyelashes.

    As shadowhawk1 said, this release is a train wreck. Poor planning, poor implementation.

    LOL I was jsut going to reply about the calling me Shadowhack1 when you corrected it. Hadn't had a good laugh like that since... Well the release of Victoria 9 :D 

    To be honest, I feel for all the people that bought the pre-release bundle in good faith not knowing what was in it and are now stuck behind a gate as all of those that purchased the same bundle the day of release are getting to use her. I think daz has finally trumped their storefront disaster.

    Sorry about the misspelling, I'm due to get new glasses soon.  But glad you got a laugh.
    Anyway, now they have Toon Kids and Fantasy Ear morphs for G9 - But no essential (normal) body and head morphs yet.  There is "Werwulf for Genesis 9" that looks like it might have some muscle morphs in it, but it's probably one slider adjustment for the whole body.   Priorities!  Priorities!   (And no I'm not a pateint kind of person) frown

    LOL no need to apologize, like I said I thought it was funny. Yeah I see they are coming out with more and more stuff, but strangely no morph packs. This train just keeps picking up speed. devil

    I am wondering who has done the priorization of items. What we have seen yetsrday and today does not make a lot of sense. I would have expected this:

    1. Release of Genesis 9 and Victoria 9
    2. Release of morph packs and pose converters the next day

    Today's Age Control morph pack does also not make any sense, as it does require still unreleased body morphs to work with. A morph converting your figure to a 4-5 yera old girl, with adult-shaped breasts just does not make any kind of sense.

    Also, the Genesis 9 Character Essentials do contain the male and female anatomy, but no material for those but the normal maps.

    PowerPose does not work, as there is no template made available for Genesis 9.

    Auto-fitting of hair just does not work at all. Especially trying to auto-fit dForce hair will have nice effects during simulation. @Toyen has posted a nice work-around (https://www.deviantart.com/toyen-art/journal/Tutorial-How-to-Fit-Poseable-Hair-to-Genesis-9-933611835), but that is not very universal.

    In total, it seems that this release was rushed, or not carefully planned, or both. That release has failed in so many areas (apart from Victoria 9 herself - she really is damn cute).

  • Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Maxstar Illusions said:

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Yep, still no bonus items. Plus the same problem as @sberlins described above with Victoria bundle items. Only shop shows that I own them, but no products in DIM or DC (searched and filtered in any possible way to find eventually hidden product). And via the product page on the website just endless "connecting" state without any products appearing for download. Got quite a quick reply from help that the problem should be solved, but no, not solved and no more replies either. Also considering to return the product and get money back. The fun is all over.

    You should definitely open a ticket to get that sorted out. I did, and it was solved within a day. Given the way this release worked (or better: failed to work), I am not sure that Daz is fully aware of all the glitches. Especially, if all the products of the bundle are shown as "purchased" but there is nothing in your library, then this may be a totally different sort of beast they have to deal with. 

    Of course! The ticket is still open. Just no more replies so far.

  • sberlinssberlins Posts: 128

    Maxstar Illusions said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Maxstar Illusions said:

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Yep, still no bonus items. Plus the same problem as @sberlins described above with Victoria bundle items. Only shop shows that I own them, but no products in DIM or DC (searched and filtered in any possible way to find eventually hidden product). And via the product page on the website just endless "connecting" state without any products appearing for download. Got quite a quick reply from help that the problem should be solved, but no, not solved and no more replies either. Also considering to return the product and get money back. The fun is all over.

    You should definitely open a ticket to get that sorted out. I did, and it was solved within a day. Given the way this release worked (or better: failed to work), I am not sure that Daz is fully aware of all the glitches. Especially, if all the products of the bundle are shown as "purchased" but there is nothing in your library, then this may be a totally different sort of beast they have to deal with. 

    Of course! The ticket is still open. Just no more replies so far.

    Same here.  Some back and forth for an hour or so after I submitted the ticket on Wednesday and since then Daz support is a Sphinx. 

  • JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    I'm still waiting too.

  • If I don't get at least a statement from DAZ regarding status of this issue and resolution time I'm getting a refund for the bundle and ordering whatever I want individually.  Bet I can downloand those with no issues.  I have been a loyal customer since early 2000's maybe 20 years and spent maybe well over 10 grand.  I consider myself a DAZ fanboy and happy with the products, but I do expect a bit more from DAZ making at least at statement regarding this issue.  Major releases is nothing new to DAZ so not sure what happened here.  One way or another there will be a resolution, but I must say those who waited won this game.  cheeky

  • LossowLossow Posts: 105

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Still waiting here too. 

  • Also waiting on the free pre-order items, though since the morphs to make a character interesting are not available I'm not really concerned

    Until I can transfer existing character faces from G8 to G9 and convert poses I have no interest in using G9 for my regular rendering needs

  • ecks201ecks201 Posts: 446

    Still hairless frown

  • sberlinssberlins Posts: 128

    Have the hair and the bikini, but nothihg else shows up.

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898
    edited October 2022

    Permanent freckles were a terrible choice. I have a few PA characters here from Daz where freckles are handled by a LIE applied to both diffuse and translucency maps. It how it should've been handled.

     

    You can have nothing but freckles on Arianna 8.1 because it's n-th G8.1F character in a row so she can be more specialised. V9 is the flagship character in the new generation, though. Except she's coming with textures that are super-narrowly themed in use. Yes, she does look better than the older Victoria figures - but you can do only gingers with her skin. V8 and V8.1 blow her out of water in terms of flexibility even without extra shaping morphs.

     

    So, after playing with the figure a little: as a figure on her own - great. As a universal flagship character for a new generation - bad.

    Here's hoping Michael 9 will be more useful.

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,867
    edited October 2022

    shadowhawk1 said:

    Welcome to the Victoria 9 train wreck, grab a seat and have some free popcorn with the purchase of a drink

    Wait, wait. the drinks are available for purchase but only without ice and the free popcorn isn't ready yet. 

    Post edited by Charlie Judge on
  • Charlie Judge said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    Welcome to the Victoria 9 train wreck, grab a seat and have some free popcorn with the purchase of a drink

    Wait, wait. the drinks are available for purchase but only without ice and the free popcorn isn't ready yet. 

    While you can order the drink without ice now. the glas for your drink will only be available next week. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    Welcome to the Victoria 9 train wreck, grab a seat and have some free popcorn with the purchase of a drink

    Wait, wait. the drinks are available for purchase but only without ice and the free popcorn isn't ready yet. 

    While you can order the drink without ice now. the glas for your drink will only be available next week. 

    laugh 

  • sberlins said:

    Maxstar Illusions said:

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Maxstar Illusions said:

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    Yep, still no bonus items. Plus the same problem as @sberlins described above with Victoria bundle items. Only shop shows that I own them, but no products in DIM or DC (searched and filtered in any possible way to find eventually hidden product). And via the product page on the website just endless "connecting" state without any products appearing for download. Got quite a quick reply from help that the problem should be solved, but no, not solved and no more replies either. Also considering to return the product and get money back. The fun is all over.

    You should definitely open a ticket to get that sorted out. I did, and it was solved within a day. Given the way this release worked (or better: failed to work), I am not sure that Daz is fully aware of all the glitches. Especially, if all the products of the bundle are shown as "purchased" but there is nothing in your library, then this may be a totally different sort of beast they have to deal with. 

    Of course! The ticket is still open. Just no more replies so far.

    Same here.  Some back and forth for an hour or so after I submitted the ticket on Wednesday and since then Daz support is a Sphinx.

    I am still missing the pre-order bundle, too. So sad. And yes, I filtered my contents for "victoria". Only Vic 8 and 8.1 show up. DAZ website shows "purchased".

     

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    nwleee_a52bfead84 said:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed with the way Daz rolled out G9.  First of all the Victoria 9 character....two skin choices, freckled and vitiligo?!?!  I will never use vitiligo (and I read a lot of other people won't either), I just don't understand why they didn't offer freckled and just a regular skin texture (with no moles, freckles, blemishes, warts, or big patches of different colored skin).
    Also not releasing a morph pack, with body and face morphs is also hard to understand. Instead we get a "starter pack" with a million choices of eyebrows and eyelashes.

    As shadowhawk1 said, this release is a train wreck. Poor planning, poor implementation.

    LOL I was jsut going to reply about the calling me Shadowhack1 when you corrected it. Hadn't had a good laugh like that since... Well the release of Victoria 9 :D 

    To be honest, I feel for all the people that bought the pre-release bundle in good faith not knowing what was in it and are now stuck behind a gate as all of those that purchased the same bundle the day of release are getting to use her. I think daz has finally trumped their storefront disaster.

    Sorry about the misspelling, I'm due to get new glasses soon.  But glad you got a laugh.
    Anyway, now they have Toon Kids and Fantasy Ear morphs for G9 - But no essential (normal) body and head morphs yet.  There is "Werwulf for Genesis 9" that looks like it might have some muscle morphs in it, but it's probably one slider adjustment for the whole body.   Priorities!  Priorities!   (And no I'm not a pateint kind of person) frown

    LOL no need to apologize, like I said I thought it was funny. Yeah I see they are coming out with more and more stuff, but strangely no morph packs. This train just keeps picking up speed. devil

    I am wondering who has done the priorization of items. What we have seen yetsrday and today does not make a lot of sense. I would have expected this:

    1. Release of Genesis 9 and Victoria 9
    2. Release of morph packs and pose converters the next day

    Today's Age Control morph pack does also not make any sense, as it does require still unreleased body morphs to work with. A morph converting your figure to a 4-5 yera old girl, with adult-shaped breasts just does not make any kind of sense.

    Also, the Genesis 9 Character Essentials do contain the male and female anatomy, but no material for those but the normal maps.

    PowerPose does not work, as there is no template made available for Genesis 9.

    Auto-fitting of hair just does not work at all. Especially trying to auto-fit dForce hair will have nice effects during simulation. @Toyen has posted a nice work-around (https://www.deviantart.com/toyen-art/journal/Tutorial-How-to-Fit-Poseable-Hair-to-Genesis-9-933611835), but that is not very universal.

    In total, it seems that this release was rushed, or not carefully planned, or both. That release has failed in so many areas (apart from Victoria 9 herself - she really is damn cute).

     They appeared eventually for me without doing anything; yep the freebies are still unavailable.

  • Ok, got the bonus items together with the customer service reply. They were added manually to my account on the DAZ side. Instantly appeared in DIM. But they didn't do the same for Victoria bundle. Instead I got the suggestion that it could be a filtering problem (what was already discussed in this thread). SIgh... waiting for the next round.

  • Might be a bit off topic, but got this via the Facebook today. And I really feel being that customer :)

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  • Mark_e593e0a5 said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    shadowhawk1 said:

    Welcome to the Victoria 9 train wreck, grab a seat and have some free popcorn with the purchase of a drink

    Wait, wait. the drinks are available for purchase but only without ice and the free popcorn isn't ready yet. 

    While you can order the drink without ice now. the glas for your drink will only be available next week. 

    That's a good one! 

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,312

    Richard Haseltine said:

    GnotMe said:

    Where are the Anatomical Elements promised on the Victoria 9 HD page ?

    Female Anatomical Elements are listed under Materials.

    @Richard Haseltine

    I tried loading that, it doesn't appear to do anything.  (Which makes sense, it indicates it's a material, not a morph or geograph object). Some people have stated that you need "Genesis 9 Character Essentials".  Is that true?  Normally the gens come with the bundle.

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,617

    Gator said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    GnotMe said:

    Where are the Anatomical Elements promised on the Victoria 9 HD page ?

    Female Anatomical Elements are listed under Materials.

    @Richard Haseltine

    I tried loading that, it doesn't appear to do anything.  (Which makes sense, it indicates it's a material, not a morph or geograph object). Some people have stated that you need "Genesis 9 Character Essentials".  Is that true?  Normally the gens come with the bundle.

    Yes, the anatomical GeoCraft comes in "Genesis 9 Character Essentials". 

  • felis said:

    Gator said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    GnotMe said:

    Where are the Anatomical Elements promised on the Victoria 9 HD page ?

    Female Anatomical Elements are listed under Materials.

    @Richard Haseltine

    I tried loading that, it doesn't appear to do anything.  (Which makes sense, it indicates it's a material, not a morph or geograph object). Some people have stated that you need "Genesis 9 Character Essentials".  Is that true?  Normally the gens come with the bundle.

    Yes, the anatomical GeoCraft comes in "Genesis 9 Character Essentials". 

    Yes, I meant that there is no promise of the models - it just says there are materials for them, if you have them from the Character Essentials.

  • JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    I'm still waiting too.

    Just to make you feel better, I have the Voss hair freebie from the base pack. Worked well for me.

  • Catherine3678ab said:

    This way gives V9 her own day of glory so to speak ;-)

    I'm fairly sure that the morph bundles, etc. will follow over the next weeks, months, etc. as they usually do.

    I for one am not disappointed with the Bundle although a little surprized that the a.e. have to be yet another purchase - but the price isn't bad at all. And for those down the road in time I'm sure they will appreciate that they don't have to shell out for a full Pro bundle just to get a set.

    That might be one way to look at it, but I have to disagree. Genesis 8 at least offered some compatible features with G3, you could drop most G3 skins right on 8. Poses would work, and only needed a small adjustment. With 9, however, few things work on G9. You can't drop your old skins on it. Poses do not work at all. So people are truly starting all over again, and we have to remember that we have not had to start over again since 2017.

    I had to look, and Genesis 8 launched on October 12, 2017. So it has been exactly 5 years since Genesis 8 launched. And frankly, people got used to Genesis 8 being "the" Daz model. People who had stuck to Victoria 4 for ages finally moved on to Genesis 8. That is what Genesis 8 accomplished. Also keep in mind that Daz was doing some wild bundling in the Genesis 8 early days. Remember how buying a bundle they gifted like 2 or even 3 Pro bundles with it? This really pushed people to take the leap that might not otherwise. I was one of them.

    I also don't feel the bundle is really offering anything. One single hair, one single pose pack, 3 very not everyday clothing items (unless you wear a bikini or fetish wear everyday day), expressions, and a make up pack. It is a pretty sparse bundle. When you look at past bundles I see more in the older bundles. Victoria 8 has 2 hairs, 2 pose packs, FIVE outfits covering more variety, expressions, and 2 extra characters. V8 also had makeup included with her base, not sold separately. Granted, I suppose the makeup product with V9 has more stuff, but still, it is sold separately and considered one of of the products included with the bundle.

    That just doesn't drive value to me.

    So now Genesis 9 is starting over in many ways, and I would bet some good money that a lot of people are going to wait. 

    I like that Genesis 9 has 4 male and 4 female skins, that is pretty cool. So there's that. But I am talking about the Victoria 9 bundle itself. So after playing with these I am just sitting here thinking why would I even need Victoria 9 anyway? It is just not compelling to me. Victoria 9 is not ugly, but I am just not into her all that much. Maybe someday I'll get the character by itself.

    With the poses, there is no-longer any need to start from scratch. Head over into the freebie forum & you should find a G8F to G9 pose transfer script. It's not a complete solution, as you need the pose applied to G8F first, but G8F poses can now be got onto G9. Regards, Richard.
  • richardandtracy said:

    Catherine3678ab said:

    JB007 said:

    Are people still waiting on the Voss Hair and Bikini? Still not there for me .. 

    I'm still waiting too.

    Just to make you feel better, I have the Voss hair freebie from the base pack. Worked well for me.

    hehehe ... thanks Richard, this forum software needs a much greater variety of emotion thingies to better express the tumbleweeds of stress we go through. Now downloading to install Comic Life. 

  • Ok, the problem is solved. There was something with the bundle being not visible in the accoutn on the DAZ side which is solved after refreshing the account (on DAZ side). I hope it's finally solved or being solved for everyone.

  • Well I was hoping the morph packs for body and head would be released by the end of this week (today, Friday), and was fairly disappointed they were not.
    I wish I knew what the problem was, but we all know DAZ doesn't exactly offer free-flowing information.  Is it a technical issue where the morphs aren't ready yet?  Or is it just some kind of illogical release plan, which makes customers wait and wait for something that I consider "essential" to a product?
    To say this is frustrating, is an understatement.

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