Game of Thrones Digital Collection...What would I be getting?

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,172

    Hmm. There's a thought. Maybe I sould create a series of NFTs for variations on "404 Not Found - the requested item was not found on this server".

  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    edited January 2023

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    if they were physical trading cards nobody would be showing negativity

     I'm still not interested in NFTs (as a means to sell digital art or anything currentlly offered), but since ETH 2.0 most objections for me as a technology to be used went away, and digital playing cards as a use for NFTs actually make sense to me.

    It's the way of execution that I found,... well I guess hilarious and sad at the same time with these GoT-NFTs.

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  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,550
    Art FOR tech bros BY tech bros.
  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 1,960
    edited January 2023

    The salad-fingers thing, I actually encountered that exact problem in one of my own projects just this night.  Something went screwy with a character I was converting from Genesis 1 to Genesis 3 using one of the off-the-shelf products here.  I mean, the character looked fine when I loaded the new G3M version... albeit he was literally upside down, because somehow the size slider for the character, after the conversion, had a negative in front of it, which I then fixed by turning the value positive again.  I then tinkered with the appearance of the character for a few hours (trying to match the look of the skin and eyes and stuff he'd had as a Genesis 1) before eventually deciding to load a saved pose onto him....  at which point he distorted into a pretzil shape, and at one point, when trying it again with another pose, I also got the salad-fingers effect... and I thought, "Wait, I've seen something exactly like that pictured in the GoT NFT thread!  Lemme go look..."

    I'm willing to bet the GoT project probably involved some sort of scripted-out, automated process where they had a variations-on-a-theme thing run by something like a batch script.  They needed to churn out on an assembly-line basis a large series of similar-posed characters, doing similar actions, but with each scene involving a progression of characters, perhaps with random dial-spinning to make unique faces and physical attributes (i.e. more muscular, less muscular, this race morph, that race morph, etc, etc), with it switching through a progression of props that the characters had in their hands.... say, a progression of different types of magic wand.

    To do this, they needed all the characters and morphs and whatnot to be of the same Genesis generation.  Say, they all needed to be Genesis 8, since the batch script or whatever they were using, by definition, would not be able or expected to switch between Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 characters on the fly.  So, if they had some character stuff they wanted in the rotation that were originally from an earlier Daz generation, or from different Daz generations, they all had to be converted in advance, probably also at least somewhat on a batch-script, assembly-line process.

    Here's the thing, you expect the underlying tech to work fine.  If the character appearance, after the conversion, arrives looking okay in the standard T-pose (of a Genesis 3) or A-pose (of a Genesis 8), it never occurs to you it might distort when posed.  After all, you're using a convert-program sold right here at Daz3D, designed and marketted to do exactly this sort of convert process.  And you've got a bazillion of these conversions you need to do on a fast-approaching deadline... so, you focus on creating a templated scene, with A character standing there holding A partiular prop in A particular pose, to make sure the positionings of that example scene looks right, before feeding it to the programmed system -- the one that systematically changes out the character, prop, and so on, to batch-render them -- has something to work with.  And then you let the cleverly-programmed system do its thing while you focus on creating the next example-scene for it to do its variations on top of.

    It's only when, hours to days later, after the automated, batch-rendering system has churned out thousands of these sight unseen that you find out that random ones of these renders have this salad-fingers problem... and you're going "Wait, what the flippin' heck is this?!?"

    There's something I've said for many years about sophisticated and intracately programmed computer-stuff: 

    The more complex a tech is, the more opportunity there is under the hood for something to go WHOOPSY!!! in new and creative ways.  laugh

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    JoeQuick said:

    Thanks to Daz, I was able to be the teacher my son needed and increase my annual earnings by over 50%. Two years ago, I was a high school teacher who wasn't valued by anyone but his students. This year, I designed official merchandise for Time Warner.  I made the Night King, the White Walker and their outfits.

    I guess You're wrong about the point of being not valued by anyone but Your students, as I, and probably many more people in the DAZ community, value You for the nice products You make for us. And I can assure You, this is not diminished by working for such a flawed product as this GOT NFT moneygrab.

    Would have been interesting to see if being able to sell the Night King, the White Walker(s) and their outfits as products to be used by everyone within DAZ might not have been more fortunate for all involved. But I'm quite glad when it worked out fine for You anyway. smiley

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495

    I just hope they paid you in fiat currency not crypto devil

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309

    The assets are fine.  The issue is they were used to ineptly create this unimaginative pile of blandness.

    My first reaction when I saw the Daz page announcing this project was that the product was that the production values were pretty low.  I was told by someone involved with the project that these weren't the NFTs, but just the ad.  That turned out not to be true, and the collectible "hero" cards were just as unheroic as the renders on that page.

    This project has been largely ignored by the larger GoT community.  Even in the NFT-chat section of the GoT discord, there's not even a whisper.  That's probably a good thing for all involved.  The NFT community, however, at a time when NFT values are starting to creep up again, considers this a cynical, clumsy cash grab by a major brand.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,379
    edited January 2023

    McGyver said:

    Wait a minute...

    I have a crazy question... I was reading a different thread and I'm a bit confused...

    I didn't watch GOT (apparently abbreviation is mandatory), and I don't know who that character picture above/earlier is...

    Are the fingers NOT supposed to look like that?

    I assumed that was on purpose.

    I'm serious and wondering about that.

    I'm in the same boat, thought it might be on purpose until I saw how he's "holding" things in his "hands". I'd love to know how much someone paid for this for the "bragging rights". I'm amazed that anyone, even a first-time DAZ Studio user, would slap this together, render it and say, "Yes, ready to sell!".

    -- Walt Sterdan 

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  • zombietaggerung said:

    Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFT section? 

     I'd say no. The promo says nothing about NFTs, so this is a way for people not involved with NFTs, confused about what the product is, to receive and answer. It belongs in the commons.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567

    marcus.ames said:

    zombietaggerung said:

    Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFT section? 

     I'd say no. The promo says nothing about NFTs, so this is a way for people not involved with NFTs, confused about what the product is, to receive and answer. It belongs in the commons.

    It's NFT garbage, buddy! Say so or not, that's what it is.Should be in the NFT forum with all the other NFT garbage.

  • Torquinox said:

    marcus.ames said:

    zombietaggerung said:

    Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFT section? 

     I'd say no. The promo says nothing about NFTs, so this is a way for people not involved with NFTs, confused about what the product is, to receive and answer. It belongs in the commons.

    It's NFT garbage, buddy! Say so or not, that's what it is.Should be in the NFT forum with all the other NFT garbage.

    I mostly concur, but... If this doesn't stay in the commons, then more threads in the commons asking the same question will pop up and create a headache for the mods. If you don't know it's an NFT to begin with, you're not going to go hunt in the NFT threads for your answer. 

  • marcus.ames said:

    Torquinox said:

    marcus.ames said:

    zombietaggerung said:

    Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFT section? 

     I'd say no. The promo says nothing about NFTs, so this is a way for people not involved with NFTs, confused about what the product is, to receive and answer. It belongs in the commons.

    It's NFT garbage, buddy! Say so or not, that's what it is.Should be in the NFT forum with all the other NFT garbage.

    I mostly concur, but... If this doesn't stay in the commons, then more threads in the commons asking the same question will pop up and create a headache for the mods. If you don't know it's an NFT to begin with, you're not going to go hunt in the NFT threads for your answer. 

     This is why I asked my question here...there was no mention that these are NFTs. The descriptions of what they are are vague at best

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495

    the DAZ NFPs (non Fungible people) included some 3D content I believe

    so it's quite possible these do too

    but

    being virtual "unopened boxes" there is no way of knowing

    isn't this gambling?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495

    the DAZ NFPs (non Fungible people) included some 3D content I believe

    so it's quite possible these do too

    but

    being virtual "unopened boxes" there is no way of knowing

    isn't this gambling?

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,025

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    the DAZ NFPs (non Fungible people) included some 3D content I believe

    so it's quite possible these do too

    but

    being virtual "unopened boxes" there is no way of knowing

    isn't this gambling?

    I think it's legally in the same "hasn't been regulated" gray area as video game lootboxes, where it doesn't have most of the specific elements gambling regulations cover, but could eventually be put in that category because it has a similar impact. As I understand it, the difference is between "You might get nothing, or you might hit it big" and "You'll at least get something we value at the purchase price, but you may get something better."

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    This collection of NFTs is representative of Daz-Tafi as a company.

    Daz has never released a product that more accurately suits it.

    I shall just leave it at that.

  • Sorry, I've been hunting for a store with eggs.

     

    Did Daz do an internet thing?

     

    3 Walmarts completely out of eggs.  I really didn't think someone would buy a render as bad as the ones I do and delete, but whatever.  I got one more store run tonight, ya know, real world probs.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309

    MachineClaw said:

    Sorry, I've been hunting for a store with eggs.

     

    Did Daz do an internet thing?

     

    3 Walmarts completely out of eggs.  I really didn't think someone would buy a render as bad as the ones I do and delete, but whatever.  I got one more store run tonight, ya know, real world probs.

    Maybe you can trade a render for some eggs? 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    LOL

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    outrider42 said:

    This collection of NFTs is representative of Daz-Tafi as a company.

    Daz has never released a product that more accurately suits it.

    I shall just leave it at that.

    That's not a nice thing to say...

    ...but it feels quite true. devil

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,141

    ColinFrench said:

    BlueFingers said:

    They look like this LOL! Also, the gentleman really resembles a northerner from Westeros:

    Doesn't look fungible at all!

    Good grief that looks terrible! What a joke. Can you imagine opening up the blind box you just bought and seeing that.

    And there are some well-known PA's involved in the project who still have reputations to protect (unlike Daz/Taffi/whatever).

    pose like Jason Momoa acts. good job on this 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567

    marcus.ames said:

    Torquinox said:

    marcus.ames said:

    zombietaggerung said:

    Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFT section? 

     I'd say no. The promo says nothing about NFTs, so this is a way for people not involved with NFTs, confused about what the product is, to receive and answer. It belongs in the commons.

    It's NFT garbage, buddy! Say so or not, that's what it is.Should be in the NFT forum with all the other NFT garbage.

    I mostly concur, but... If this doesn't stay in the commons, then more threads in the commons asking the same question will pop up and create a headache for the mods. If you don't know it's an NFT to begin with, you're not going to go hunt in the NFT threads for your answer. 

    I suppose that's true. >_>

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2023

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    Post edited by Torquinox on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,495

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    last year we had a lettuce shortage downunder KFC even substituted cabbage on their burgers

    many places charged extra for lettuce on sandwiches etc 

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,172

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    The main reason is the avian flu (bird flu) epidemic in the US - article here.

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    last year we had a lettuce shortage downunder KFC even substituted cabbage on their burgers

    many places charged extra for lettuce on sandwiches etc 

    we had egg shortage at one stage too then potatos still sort of is, recently maccas and others got called out on hogging all the potatos and also getting into patato cakes/scollops and here in Tassie in some stores they put a limit on potatoes and chips

  • ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    last year we had a lettuce shortage downunder KFC even substituted cabbage on their burgers

    many places charged extra for lettuce on sandwiches etc 

    we had egg shortage at one stage too then potatos still sort of is, recently maccas and others got called out on hogging all the potatos and also getting into patato cakes/scollops and here in Tassie in some stores they put a limit on potatoes and chips

    actually down here lots of products been in shortage and prices have greatly increased on stuff there shouldn't be a shortage of blaming/using a certain something as an excuse for it all plus the floods and drought and anything else they can use 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567

    namffuak said:

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    The main reason is the avian flu (bird flu) epidemic in the US - article here.

    Yes, I'd heard that. Thanks for the article link! enlightened

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Torquinox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I misread at first and thought you were searching the DAZ store for Easter Eggs, AKA hidden gems/features like a game

    No. For some reason, eggs in the US are a problem right now. Our stores have eggs now but they're about $4-$5/dozen. Before Covid, I'd get a box of 60 large eggs for $6-$7. That started going up during Covid cresting at $15 last year, went down to $10. Now that box is $20! That's assuming there is actually a box on the shelves. Never a dull moment.

    last year we had a lettuce shortage downunder KFC even substituted cabbage on their burgers

    many places charged extra for lettuce on sandwiches etc 

    we had egg shortage at one stage too then potatos still sort of is, recently maccas and others got called out on hogging all the potatos and also getting into patato cakes/scollops and here in Tassie in some stores they put a limit on potatoes and chips

    actually down here lots of products been in shortage and prices have greatly increased on stuff there shouldn't be a shortage of blaming/using a certain something as an excuse for it all plus the floods and drought and anything else they can use 

    Seems like sporadic shortages and weirdness are part of life now.

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