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  • blubeetle3_c656fcc6f5blubeetle3_c656fcc6f5 Posts: 137
    edited December 1969

    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    If I remember [or you remind me] ... shouldn't be a terribly hard item to produce. Double bed or single?
    Rigged as in with bones, or as in with morphs, or both?

    Two characters, double bed. either one morphs or bones would work. I'm at a stand still right now unless I can find something in my Runtime.

    Edit: TrekkieGrrrl has one on ShareCG;

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/18190/view/11/Poser/Morphing-Blanket


    Okay ... it's a .cr2 file so I could make some morphs ... will be testing it later in Poser and hoping it works there too.
    .cr2 and morphs were created in D/S3.
    Started a thread "click here".

    The only problem I see is that people don't usually lay straight when they sleep, That's a problem I'm finding with m ost of the blankets I've seen. Got a line on another one I'm going to check on, too.

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ultimate-bed/88431

  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    blubeetle3 said:
    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    If I remember [or you remind me] ... shouldn't be a terribly hard item to produce. Double bed or single?
    Rigged as in with bones, or as in with morphs, or both?

    Two characters, double bed. either one morphs or bones would work. I'm at a stand still right now unless I can find something in my Runtime.

    Edit: TrekkieGrrrl has one on ShareCG;

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/18190/view/11/Poser/Morphing-Blanket


    Okay ... it's a .cr2 file so I could make some morphs ... will be testing it later in Poser and hoping it works there too.
    .cr2 and morphs were created in D/S3.
    Started a thread "click here".

    The only problem I see is that people don't usually lay straight when they sleep, That's a problem I'm finding with m ost of the blankets I've seen. Got a line on another one I'm going to check on, too.

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ultimate-bed/88431

    Hope it works with V3 and M3. Thanks.

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    mdbruffy said:
    Patience55 said:
    If I remember [or you remind me] ... shouldn't be a terribly hard item to produce. Double bed or single?
    Rigged as in with bones, or as in with morphs, or both?

    Two characters, double bed. either one morphs or bones would work. I'm at a stand still right now unless I can find something in my Runtime.

    Edit: TrekkieGrrrl has one on ShareCG;

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/18190/view/11/Poser/Morphing-Blanket


    Okay ... it's a .cr2 file so I could make some morphs ... will be testing it later in Poser and hoping it works there too.
    .cr2 and morphs were created in D/S3.
    Started a thread "click here".

    The only problem I see is that people don't usually lay straight when they sleep, That's a problem I'm finding with m ost of the blankets I've seen. Got a line on another one I'm going to check on, too.

    hehehe ... missed the point, that's okay lol ...

    There is lots of room for either indenting the sheet or raising it. The above image is a combination of indenting the centre and a couple of the 'tent' morphs.

    The commercial product also looks to be interesting ... and you have a choice which is always good too.

  • PtropePtrope Posts: 682
    edited December 1969

    ^^
    Also, the TOS quarters set includes a high-res sheet that can be used in the cloth room, if you don't want to try to do it all with morphs.

    Well, got a 'burr up mah butt' last night - after nearly a decade (has it really been that long???), I finally got around to filling that enormous space behind the seats of the DART! For some reason, I just got obsessed last night, when I should have been going to bed, and put together a prop set for adding stowage to that space - two racks and a lockable bin behind each seat, and for the moment, the doors of the bins are smart-propped to the bins/racks prop and can be opened. I don't have this ready to post yet - I'm debating packaging it up with some of the other DART props I've cooked up for my personal use; I think it adds to the realism of the ship.

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,481
    edited December 1969

    Ptrope said:
    ^^
    Also, the TOS quarters set includes a high-res sheet that can be used in the cloth room, if you don't want to try to do it all with morphs.

    Well, got a 'burr up mah butt' last night - after nearly a decade (has it really been that long???), I finally got around to filling that enormous space behind the seats of the DART! For some reason, I just got obsessed last night, when I should have been going to bed, and put together a prop set for adding stowage to that space - two racks and a lockable bin behind each seat, and for the moment, the doors of the bins are smart-propped to the bins/racks prop and can be opened. I don't have this ready to post yet - I'm debating packaging it up with some of the other DART props I've cooked up for my personal use; I think it adds to the realism of the ship.

    Cool

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,200
    edited December 1969

    Ptrope said:
    ^^
    Also, the TOS quarters set includes a high-res sheet that can be used in the cloth room, if you don't want to try to do it all with morphs.

    Well, got a 'burr up mah butt' last night - after nearly a decade (has it really been that long???), I finally got around to filling that enormous space behind the seats of the DART! For some reason, I just got obsessed last night, when I should have been going to bed, and put together a prop set for adding stowage to that space - two racks and a lockable bin behind each seat, and for the moment, the doors of the bins are smart-propped to the bins/racks prop and can be opened. I don't have this ready to post yet - I'm debating packaging it up with some of the other DART props I've cooked up for my personal use; I think it adds to the realism of the ship.

    Love the amount of detail you have added to the Dart Ptrope, it feels like a brand new ship. I really love the Stormtrooper helmet on the shelf.
  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    mdbruffy said:
    The only problem I see is that people don't usually lay straight when they sleep, That's a problem I'm finding with m ost of the blankets I've seen. Got a line on another one I'm going to check on, too.

    I might have a solution. Send me your scene as an obj file. just the bed, the characters and little things to do with the bed itself. DAZ's Dynamic sheet, http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-sheets (watch the video) once fited to the character the sheet can be made into an obj file/prop. or is this for multiple images? which case sorry can't help until you pose the characters and lock the scene as an OBJ file each time and go that route.

    -Paul

  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    PDSmith said:
    mdbruffy said:
    The only problem I see is that people don't usually lay straight when they sleep, That's a problem I'm finding with m ost of the blankets I've seen. Got a line on another one I'm going to check on, too.

    I might have a solution. Send me your scene as an obj file. just the bed, the characters and little things to do with the bed itself. DAZ's Dynamic sheet, http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-sheets (watch the video) once fited to the character the sheet can be made into an obj file/prop. or is this for multiple images? which case sorry can't help until you pose the characters and lock the scene as an OBJ file each time and go that route.

    -Paul

    It's for two sequences in this current story and one in the next one after that.. I've decided to go with the Ultimate Bed that Blue Bettle posted the link to:

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ultimate-bed/88431

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  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013

    A DS9 question:
    We've seen Worf in command of the Defiant. But when Sisko was on board, He was clearly the one in command. In those cases, what was Worf"s post? Did he serve as First Officer? I thought that was Kira's job- or is she only first officer of the station?

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  • robkelkrobkelk Posts: 3,259
    edited October 2013

    mdbruffy said:
    A DS9 question:
    We've seen Worf in command of the Defiant. But when Sisko was on board, He was clearly the one in command. In those cases, what was Worf"s post? Did he serve as First Officer? I thought that was Kira's job- or is she only first officer of the station?

    I seem to recall seeing only Starfleet officers on the bridge of the Defiant - it was a Starfleet ship, after all. Kira was not a Starfleet officer, so if my recollection is correct, she wouldn't be in the Defiant's chain of command...
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  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    robkelk said:
    mdbruffy said:
    A DS9 question:
    We've seen Worf in command of the Defiant. But when Sisko was on board, He was clearly the one in command. In those cases, what was Worf"s post? Did he serve as First Officer? I thought that was Kira's job- or is she only first officer of the station?

    I seem to recall seeing only Starfleet officers on the bridge of the Defiant - it was a Starfleet ship, after all. Kira was not a Starfleet officer, so if my recollection is correct, she wouldn't be in the Defiant's chain of command...

    But she was on board during "Trials and Tribulations" and it looked like she was in command while Worf and the others were aboard K-7.

  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited October 2013

    mdbruffy said:
    A DS9 question:
    We've seen Worf in command of the Defiant. But when Sisko was on board, He was clearly the one in command. In those cases, what was Worf"s post? Did he serve as First Officer? I thought that was Kira's job- or is she only first officer of the station?

    I think the show portrayed Kira as the first officer in most cases but when it came to direct control of Starfleet, Dax was the first officer from season 1-3 and Worf had it for the rest of the time.

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  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    PDSmith said:
    mdbruffy said:
    A DS9 question:
    We've seen Worf in command of the Defiant. But when Sisko was on board, He was clearly the one in command. In those cases, what was Worf"s post? Did he serve as First Officer? I thought that was Kira's job- or is she only first officer of the station?

    I think the show portrayed Kira as the first officer in most cases but when it came to direct control of Starfleet, Dax was the first officer from season 1-3 and Worf had it for the rest of the time. (Lets not get into the fact of senior/subordinate relationships between active duty members. and it being grounds for automatic separate duty stations. It was good for story and ratings but not very realistic (Dax and Worf or in your own stories case. Spock and Janet.)

    Actually, it's the Lydia I'm trying to figure. When Admiral Fitzpatrick's on board, he's in command. But I have Captain Taylor also. The Lydia's attached to Starbase 98 like the Defiant's attached to DS9. It's been stated that the Lydia has a Battle/combat bridge. In "A Tale of Two Captains" it's the Battle Bridge that launched the fighter squadron- But Fitzpatrick was clearly commanding the Lydia's actions from the Main Bridge. So what's Taylor's job when Fitzpatrick's in command ? Does he supervise the Battle Bridge?
    I have two commanding officers aboard the same ship and I'm just trying to fingure who does what. I'm getting the impression that when Fitzpatrick's in command, he handles the Lydia while Taylor keeps track of the overall battle. Kind of like an aircraft carrier has the flag bridge and the operations center.
    Does that make sense?

  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    Protocol calls for the senior person on board is the Commanding Officer, however, in the case of a Battle group like the USS Abraham Lincoln Battle group. the commanding officer of the ship handles all things for the carrier's operations and the Battle group commander runs all the ships when it comes to group operations.

    It's a pony show in some cases.

    for the Defiant. when Sisko took command of it two things happened. 1) it sent the the current OIC (Officer in Charge) of the Defiant to a subordinate roll. Sisko in essence gave up command of DS9 and transferred his all authority to the next in line when he left. In this case it was the civilian representative. Major Kira.

    when all the senior staff were on the Defiant, DS9 was run by the most senior Starfleet officer. A LT from the looks of it. Kira was an exception to the rule.

    (i edited my last post. it came across bitter and was not intended.)

  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    in your case. the Admiral would not take command unless the situation called for the current Commanding Officer's removal or the situation demanded it.

  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013

    PDSmith said:
    Protocol calls for the senior person on board is the Commanding Officer, however, in the case of a Battle group like the USS Abraham Lincoln Battle group. the commanding officer of the ship handles all things for the carrier's operations and the Battle group commander runs all the ships when it comes to group operations.

    It's a pony show in some cases.

    for the Defiant. when Sisko took command of it two things happened. 1) it sent the the current OIC (Officer in Charge) of the Defiant to a subordinate roll. Sisko in essence gave up command of DS9 and transferred his all authority to the next in line when he left. In this case it was the civilian representative. Major Kira.

    when all the senior staff were on the Defiant, DS9 was run by the most senior Starfleet officer. A LT from the looks of it. Kira was an exception to the rule.

    (i edited my last post. it came across bitter and was not intended.)

    So my chain of command should be okay then. :-)


    Edit: I think we're over-lapping each other here. So, unless it's a special case- likein ATOTC, Fitzpatrick wouldn't be in command of the Lydia ?

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  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    No.

    Captain Taylor is in command of the ship. OIC (Officer in Charge) are different. Taylor would have to be nothing more than a LCDR at most.

    The Admiral is just a passenger. Trust me if an admiral takes command from the captain . That person's career unless circumstances were dire, is shot! Taylor's career is dead, gone, no more..if he/she is a full bird captain! As a LCDR, no problem the command of the ship would be given up but in most cases the admiral will still allow the LCDR to run things.

    DS9 went against this concept.

    Take note in the early seasons of TNG when Picard had admirals and guests on board. he didn't give up command. when rodenberry pulled back from the day to day storys more and more admirals were taking command from him. Rodenberry understood the military rank structure and didn't give command away from Kirk or Picard.

    To reiterate...

    That center seat belongs to the Captain. and only in rare cases would an admiral take command from a LCDR (OIC), he/she would most likely appoint their chief of staff (also a full bird Captain) to do it and he/she would remain a passenger. The Admiral has more important things to worry about than the day to day operations of a ship which is just what he/she would be doing by taking command.

  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    PDSmith said:
    No.

    Captain Taylor is in command of the ship. OIC (Officer in Charge) are different. Taylor would have to be nothing more than a LCDR at most.

    The Admiral is just a passenger. Trust me if an admiral takes command from the captain . That person's career unless circumstances were dire, is shot! Taylor's career is dead, gone, no more..if he/she is a full bird captain! As a LCDR, no problem the command of the ship would be given up but in most cases the admiral will still allow the LCDR to run things.

    DS9 went against this concept.

    Take note in the early seasons of TNG when Picard had admirals and guests on board. he didn't give up command. when rodenberry pulled back from the day to day storys more and more admirals were taking command from him. Rodenberry understood the military rank structure and didn't give command away from Kirk or Picard.

    To reiterate...

    That center seat belongs to the Captain. and only in rare cases would an admiral take command from a LCDR (OIC), he/she would most likely appoint their chief of staff (also a full bird Captain) to do it and he/she would remain a passenger. The Admiral has more important things to worry about than the day to day operations of a ship which is just what he/she would be doing by taking command.

    Okay. That means I've got to go back and re-render some panels. Luckily it's only two...

  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited December 1969

    Glad I could help.

    Hopefully others now have a better understanding of the Rank structure of the military too.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    As a related example, look at the Honor Harrington stories. Every time a character's promoted beyond captain, they almost always are heard to grumble (only about 9/10 seriously) about being reduced to a passenger stuck on the flag bridge while the ship's captain in the Centre Seat still gets to do all the fun stuff.

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited October 2013

    PDSmith said:
    Glad I could help.

    Hopefully others now have a better understanding of the Rank structure of the military too.

    Not on my ships lol ...

    btw - if anybody wants a 'tunnel' ... can resize it all larger ... comes with the Lawn.
    Side walls, roof, and floor can be hidden.
    Double layered for effects.
    A few Shading Domains to help too.

    Same thread as the blanket.

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  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    SpottedKitty said:
    As a related example, look at the Honor Harrington stories. Every time a character's promoted beyond captain, they almost always are heard to grumble (only about 9/10 seriously) about being reduced to a passenger stuck on the flag bridge while the ship's captain in the Centre Seat still gets to do all the fun stuff.

    Well, I think given the circumstances, ATOTC still works, but I'll do it other-way-round for this next story since things are more routine in this one as far ascommand goes.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    I get the idea. Maybe I should have said "only 99.999% seriously". ;-)

  • PDSmithPDSmith Posts: 712
    edited October 2013

    ssgbryan said:
    SpottedKitty said:
    As a related example, look at the Honor Harrington stories. Every time a character's promoted beyond captain, they almost always are heard to grumble (only about 9/10 seriously) about being reduced to a passenger stuck on the flag bridge while the ship's captain in the Centre Seat still gets to do all the fun stuff.

    They would be serious - for officers, command is like 100% pure heroin. It is what they live for. You have no idea of how many officers leave the military after holding command - At one point the US Army was losing 10% of it's captains on an annual basis. They had been company commanders, and the idea of being a Staff pogue for the next 5 to 10 years until they are eligible for battalion command sends them to the exits.

    Not sure we're talking the same type of Captain's

    An Army Captain is an O-3 and company commanders are O-2 First LT's.

    Navy Captain's are O-6's (big difference by approximately 12 plus years of service.)

    ie

    Rank Army/Airforce/Marines Navy
    O-1 2nd LT Ensign
    O-2 1st LT Lieutenant Junior Grade (LTjg)
    O-3 Captain Lieutenant (usualy a Department head on a Smaller ship)
    O-4 Major Lieutant Commander (Officer in Charge (OIC) of a small facility or XO
    on a small ship or Department head on a Carrier)
    O-5 LT Colonel Commander (Commanding Officer of a small ship or Sub, Department head on a Carrier, OIC too.)
    O-6 Colonel Captain (Commanding Officer of a Carrier/Air Wing (also known as CAG), Chief of Staff, etc.)

    I won't go into the different level's of O-7 to O-10 as those tend to get convoluted in who is responsible for what and where.

    Pure Heroin? I don't know what kind of officers you served with, but those who I worked with like now Vice Admiral Kendal Card were all about the people below and around him. That is what made him go as far in his career as he has. ie to be Commanding Officer of a Carrier and have the President of the United States land on your ship says you are well respected by those above and below you. (not going into political views here).

    The 'Power junkies" are shown very quickly for who they are and are weeded out quickly. Honor Courage and Commitment are the core values not power and control.

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  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    Has anyone seen or heard from Bluto since his post about getting Poser 9? Been trying to reach him for a week now.

  • blutobluto Posts: 842
    edited December 1969

    I might have seen him!!

  • mdbruffymdbruffy Posts: 2,345
    edited December 1969

    bluto said:
    I might have seen him!!

    LOL!! :lol:

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