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  • Knight22179Knight22179 Posts: 1,195
    edited July 2013

    This is so cool. I managed to create my first thread that has lasted 35 pages and counting. :)

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  • KatteyKattey Posts: 2,899
    edited December 1969

    Knight22179 said:
    This is so cool. I managed to create my first thread that has lasted 35 pages and counting. :)

    We need more turtles in this thread. Everything better with turtles!
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Turtles are cute

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  • MadbatMadbat Posts: 382
    edited December 1969

    Most successful like for realz? :roll:

    LOL!!! According to what criteria? I bought V6 Pro pack and was immediately underwhelmed by it all. I got it cheap owing to a release pricing mistake, and if not for that, I would have sent it back for a refund. As it stands, I can't see buying any content for it, or supporting it any more than I didn't support genesis.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Madbat said:
    Most successful like for realz? :roll:

    LOL!!! According to what criteria? I bought V6 Pro pack and was immediately underwhelmed by it all. I got it cheap owing to a release pricing mistake, and if not for that, I would have sent it back for a refund. As it stands, I can't see buying any content for it, or supporting it any more than I didn't support genesis.

    Your argument would have more impact if you stated what it was about the figure you disliked. Feedback is always useful for companies like Daz so that they can improve future models. Having said that, I should point out that Genesis 2, which Victoria 6 uses as a base, is the first Genesis figure which can morph into a figure that is indistinguishable from Victoria 4. Yet the same people who seem to dislike Genesis 2 are often the same ones who claim Victoria 4 is their favourite figure mesh.

    Just an observation.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    Madbat said:
    Most successful like for realz? :roll:

    LOL!!! According to what criteria? I bought V6 Pro pack and was immediately underwhelmed by it all. I got it cheap owing to a release pricing mistake, and if not for that, I would have sent it back for a refund. As it stands, I can't see buying any content for it, or supporting it any more than I didn't support genesis.

    Your argument would have more impact if you stated what it was about the figure you disliked. Feedback is always useful for companies like Daz so that they can improve future models. Having said that, I should point out that Genesis 2, which Victoria 6 uses as a base, is the first Genesis figure which can morph into a figure that is indistinguishable from Victoria 4. Yet the same people who seem to dislike Genesis 2 are often the same ones who claim Victoria 4 is their favourite figure mesh.

    Just an observation.Not true...I don't like Gen 2 but my goto figure is Genesis same with a lot of other people I've seen posting. I think the reality is that the majority of people who don't like it are Genesis users(note the use of I think as I'm going off what I have seen being posted and my knowledge of those posters.) who are very upset over the return to split genders. I for one am not going to jump through hoops to get the versatility I have now with Genesis with the new figure. Nor am I going to spend money on it.

    I also bought the pro pack and was unimpressed.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Turtles are cute

    Now I want to make a tortoise morph for Genesis.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    Not true...I don't like Gen 2 but my goto figure is Genesis same with a lot of other people I've seen posting. I think the reality is that the majority of people who don't like it are Genesis users(note the use of I think as I'm going off what I have seen being posted and my knowledge of those posters.) who are very upset over the return to split genders. I for one am not going to jump through hoops to get the versatility I have now with Genesis with the new figure. Nor am I going to spend money on it.

    I also bought the pro pack and was unimpressed.

    There have been a lot of comparisons about what Genesis 2 offers which Genesis doesn't already, especially given the gender split. However, for the most part I see the line 'I never liked Genesis either' or 'Victoria 4 is still better' and words to that effect in many of the posts which dislike Genesis 2 the most.

    The question I'm trying to see answered is what part of it people seemed to dislike. Is it specifically Victoria 6 or is it Genesis 2? If it's the former, then what is it people disliked about her? Personally, I thought that V6 was an impressive character pack. She has gorgeous texture maps, fantastic out-of-the-box render quality and is one of the few characters I've ever seen which comes with a slew of beautiful detailed normal maps for added realism. If it's the latter, then is it really a fault of the figure as an individual or because of the constant comparison with Genesis classic?

    I think some people jumped on the bandwagon without really knowing what it is about the figure they dislike. All the while I see endless comparisons with Victoria 4. An odd comparison given that all the Gen4 figures were identical in both topology and density. Some people dislike that there aren't enough options for her, which is a valid claim but also an obvious one given that she's not as old as V5 or V4. Others simply dislike the gender split, among which I count myself, since it seems to promote double or triple the purchases required for the same functionality as a single purchase with Genesis.

    People are fully entitled to their own opinions, but I'd personally at least like to see that it was an informed decision. With all the misinformation flying around regarding Genesis 2, there are falsehoods being reported as facts. People new to the technology reading the forums for information may base their decisions on other's opinions, and I for one would prefer to present facts than fiction.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202
    edited July 2013

    HeraldOfFire said:
    Madbat said:
    Most successful like for realz? :roll:

    LOL!!! According to what criteria? I bought V6 Pro pack and was immediately underwhelmed by it all. I got it cheap owing to a release pricing mistake, and if not for that, I would have sent it back for a refund. As it stands, I can't see buying any content for it, or supporting it any more than I didn't support genesis.

    Your argument would have more impact if you stated what it was about the figure you disliked. Feedback is always useful for companies like Daz so that they can improve future models. Having said that, I should point out that Genesis 2, which Victoria 6 uses as a base, is the first Genesis figure which can morph into a figure that is indistinguishable from Victoria 4. Yet the same people who seem to dislike Genesis 2 are often the same ones who claim Victoria 4 is their favourite figure mesh.

    Just an observation.
    ...Daz no longer listens to us. If they did, there would be more male figure support, more everyday clothing, instead of all this bleedin' skankwear, and bugs in the core applications fixed. Since the merger in 2010, they basically stopped caring.

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  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    I can only answer for myself. Some of the things I love the most about the original genesis is the versatility of being able to use male/ female morphs, monsters and change the age. I know there are hacks...thanks to users but I'm unwilling to do these hacks and then have people say look how successful the figure is when the product provided by DAZ in my opinion is not as good as the original genesis figure.

    Would it be nice to have some of the features in gen2f like the ability to shape one side only. Hell yes! But not at the expense of the features of the original genesis, because that is in my view a step back.

    The fact that hacks have been successfully done show in my opinion that it could have stayed as versatile and still add that detail.

    I feel that DAZ should have done more to explain themselves and what they were doing initially. That they didn't is woefully bad public relations that led to a lot of angst and speculation by many.

    I also feel that it is highly likely that their reasoning behind this change was financially based rather than looking to improve the figure.

    Please note I'm not stating this as fact but opinion which is what you are asking about.

    So there you go my opinion for what it's worth.

    I'll still be around here because at the moment DAZ is the main provider of things genesis which is my figure of choice.

    I wouldn't have posted at all today except I disagreed with your earlier statement. I have no desire to appear as a whiner and to be quite frank I have started to lose interest in the whole debacle of gen2f the only reason I saw this is that for once the email notifications are working.

    Have fun with your choice of figure whatever it is because that ultimately is what it's about having fun and making art.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    Pendraia said:
    Not true...I don't like Gen 2 but my goto figure is Genesis same with a lot of other people I've seen posting. I think the reality is that the majority of people who don't like it are Genesis users(note the use of I think as I'm going off what I have seen being posted and my knowledge of those posters.) who are very upset over the return to split genders. I for one am not going to jump through hoops to get the versatility I have now with Genesis with the new figure. Nor am I going to spend money on it.

    I also bought the pro pack and was unimpressed.


    There have been a lot of comparisons about what Genesis 2 offers which Genesis doesn't already, especially given the gender split. However, for the most part I see the line 'I never liked Genesis either' or 'Victoria 4 is still better' and words to that effect in many of the posts which dislike Genesis 2 the most.

    The question I'm trying to see answered is what part of it people seemed to dislike. Is it specifically Victoria 6 or is it Genesis 2? If it's the former, then what is it people disliked about her? Personally, I thought that V6 was an impressive character pack. She has gorgeous texture maps, fantastic out-of-the-box render quality and is one of the few characters I've ever seen which comes with a slew of beautiful detailed normal maps for added realism. If it's the latter, then is it really a fault of the figure as an individual or because of the constant comparison with Genesis classic?

    I think some people jumped on the bandwagon without really knowing what it is about the figure they dislike. All the while I see endless comparisons with Victoria 4. An odd comparison given that all the Gen4 figures were identical in both topology and density. Some people dislike that there aren't enough options for her, which is a valid claim but also an obvious one given that she's not as old as V5 or V4. Others simply dislike the gender split, among which I count myself, since it seems to promote double or triple the purchases required for the same functionality as a single purchase with Genesis.

    People are fully entitled to their own opinions, but I'd personally at least like to see that it was an informed decision. With all the misinformation flying around regarding Genesis 2, there are falsehoods being reported as facts. People new to the technology reading the forums for information may base their decisions on other's opinions, and I for one would prefer to present facts than fiction.
    ...is the fact that many of us cannot afford to make G2F work for us the way Genesis "Classic" did enough of an "informed decision"?

    I for one love the original Genesis as it is so much more versatile without having to spend a lot of extra money or jump through a lot of hoops to make it work like G2F does. Like others, I feel going back to a more gender specific figure is a couple steps backwards and basically a marketing ploy. The original Genesis let one adapt older clothing content and allow for cross dressing between male and female characters. That means less sales of new items. On the other hand, splitting up the genders means that clothing and even character content has to be produced for the separate figures (just like it was with Gen4).

    This is the heart of the issue. Bottom line over serving the customer base's needs and wants.

    ...that is unless those of us who have supported Daz over the years with our patronage no longer matters.

  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,460
    edited December 1969

    I'm happy to use G2F V6 as my pin-up swimsuit model, but I remain uncomfortable with how things currently are until more flexibility becomes available (mostly via a couple of PA's - GenX2 and SRMS2 in particular, but hope there's even more I don't know about) because until then, she will never be more than a very pleasing dolly-bird.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Had G2F arrived before Genesis I too feel that she'd be the one we're all celebrating rather than Genesis. It's no surprise that there will be constant comparisons between her and the original, especially given that Genesis has all the morphing potential currently.

    I do feel that gap will shorten, and that some of the enhancements make it worthwhile which is why I'm actually investing more in Genesis 2 than I originally thought I would. Those are some genuinely valid reasons for not adopting her, and I think a lot of the problems could have been more easily avoided had Daz given some more information on their future plans. Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.

    It's times like this I wish we had a super spy in their midst.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202
    edited December 1969

    ...for me the jury is still out.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited July 2013

    ghastlycomic said:
    chohole said:
    Turtles are cute

    Now I want to make a tortoise morph for Genesis.
    Actually, PLEASE DO! Coincidentally enough, I'm looking for figures I can pass off as the Four Celestial Guardians from Chinese Philosophy. So far I was able to MAB & WillDupre's Catgirl and Popobawa for Genesis to pull off Byakko the White Tiger and Suzaku the Vermilion Bird, but I have NOTHING I can use as Genbu the Black Tortoise or Seiryu the Azure Dragon. So anything like those will be more than welcomed into my cart! :D

    ...Daz no longer listens to us. If they did, there would be more male figure support, more everyday clothing, instead of all this bleedin' skankwear, and bugs in the core applications fixed. Since the merger in 2010, they basically stopped caring.


    Apparently, most of that is our fault because, according to PA's, we customers don't buy enough of it... However, I believe this, and is why I'm more open to the idea of hunkware if it will help balance the game.

    The fact that hacks have been successfully done show in my opinion that it could have stayed as versatile and still add that detail.
    The fact that these hacks have been successfully shows that your opinion is not an opinion, it's solid, evident fact.

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  • Dino GrampsDino Gramps Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I'm still waiting for a product that will make Genesis 2 relevant to me. Maybe Zev0's kid's morphs.:question:

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    sjhayes2 said:
    I'm still waiting for a product that will make Genesis 2 relevant to me. Maybe Zev0's kid's morphs.:question:

    I'm looking forward to those myself.

    Actually, they are an even better solution to one end of the challenge than Thorne's teens, as much as I like those. Thorne's teens are an immeasurable help in building various new teen figures. But if you've got a character that you need to follow through a wide range of ages, with Zev0's morphs you can take the same character from early/middle childhood to adulthood, and keep them plausibly the same person. Which for some projects is even better.

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    sjhayes2 said:
    I'm still waiting for a product that will make Genesis 2 relevant to me. Maybe Zev0's kid's morphs.:question:

    I'm looking forward to those myself.

    Actually, they are an even better solution to one end of the challenge than Thorne's teens, as much as I like those. Thorne's teens are an immeasurable help in building various new teen figures. But if you've got a character that you need to follow through a wide range of ages, with Zev0's morphs you can take the same character from early/middle childhood to adulthood, and keep them plausibly the same person. Which for some projects is even better.Will also work well for families just adjust each face a little and boom Mom and Daughter and Dad and Son.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    Sometimes it comes out Mon and Son, Dad and Daughter, and going to separate meshes doesn't help that. But I suspect with kids it will be reasonably easy to use the kid iterations of either mesh for either, as long as autofit works.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    Had G2F arrived before Genesis I too feel that she'd be the one we're all celebrating rather than Genesis. It's no surprise that there will be constant comparisons between her and the original, especially given that Genesis has all the morphing potential currently.If she had arrived prior to Genesis then it wouldn't be an issue but she didn't...
    HeraldOfFire said:

    I do feel that gap will shorten, and that some of the enhancements make it worthwhile which is why I'm actually investing more in Genesis 2 than I originally thought I would. Those are some genuinely valid reasons for not adopting her, and I think a lot of the problems could have been more easily avoided had Daz given some more information on their future plans.I agree if DAZ has spoken up it would have ensured that there were less problems. That they didn't is mystifying unless you believe that they don't care. Please note I'm not stating that last statement as I fact. I don't want to be accused of speculation it is merely my opinion.
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    It's times like this I wish we had a super spy in their midst.
    I've gotten to the point I don't care anymore. I never thought that I would say that but I am. They will do what they will do...and that's all there is to it. I will wait and see if Zev(who is extremely good at what he does) releases a male morph or some other PA does I may consider updating but to be honest at the moment I resent the fact that I would have to pay to get the same options that I got on the base genesis for free. The only reason I would consider it is because I do know that Zev always gives value for money...


    The fact that hacks have been successfully done show in my opinion that it could have stayed as versatile and still add that detail.


    The fact that these hacks have been successfully shows that your opinion is not an opinion, it's solid, evident fact.
    Hi, I don't disagree with you but I'm loath to say anything that could be misconstrued as speculation by certain people.

    cheers

    Pen

  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152
    edited December 1969

    Every time DAZ release something new that is supposed to replace something I already have, I lose interest in 3D art, I lose interest in DAZ, I don't come the site very often, the forum becomes one long argument, I stop buying everything. If Genesis2 was suppose to make me buy more, it's had the opposite effect. Genesis is yesterday, Genesis2 is today, tomorrow it's going to be a whole new thing that's incompatible. Why buy a bunch of stuff for a figure that's not going to be supported in the future?

    The hair and clothing for Genesis2 is nothing but a rehash of what's already been done for older figures, and none of it really looks any better. It all looks like the same old same old.

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,616
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    I think some people jumped on the bandwagon without really knowing what it is about the figure they dislike. .....
    People are fully entitled to their own opinions, but I'd personally at least like to see that it was an informed decision. .

    Herald

    All I see are people giving informed decisions about why they dislike V6.

    I don't know what you want to see, because there are pages upon pages of informed decisions.
    ???

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,949
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.
    If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    DAZ3D has never been open about their figure plans. But lets face it, they are not going to release JUST female characters though they ALWAYS go first cause the females sell better then males.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited July 2013

    Personally, I believe given all the problems with their software platform they should be focusing their efforts on addressing those issues before they start releasing figures with infinitesimally small benefits over the previous generation of figures. At some point they're going to have to address the problems with their platform or there will simply be nobody left using it to buy the content they make for that platform.

    Genesis 2 is filling a niche that simply didn't need to be filled at this point in time. It offers little over Genesis 1 in ways of improvements and a lot less than Genesis 1 in terms of functionality.

    Post edited by ghastlycomic on
  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited July 2013

    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.
    If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    DAZ3D has never been open about their figure plans. But lets face it, they are not going to release JUST female characters though they ALWAYS go first cause the females sell better then males.
    Honestly, I think that's the other reason why they sell well that's not sexually influenced, it's is BECAUSE of that. The initial release of females and all their clothing hit the store first and is seen by customers first. At least with Genesis, the gender option was already made available to us. Now look at Genesis 2, not only are we flagshiping the new Gen 6 with females again, but we're getting THREE females before we get the first male. No matter how the generations played out, the first two characters were ALWAYS Victoria & Michael.

    Post edited by RCDeschene on
  • ManStanManStan Posts: 0
    edited July 2013

    Richard Haseltine said:
    larsmidnatt said:
    RCDeschene said:

    We had to use Poser 8 (the version at the time) as the application for a "Human Character Animation" course. We all thought it was 3D hell on earth. Now the study program changed it to iClone.

    LOL. Poser 4 was out when I was in school...now I feel old.

    Pong was out when I was in school - how do you think I feel?

    You were still in school? lol

    Me too.

    If I recall when I first came on line I did a trial of Poser 2. Was not impressed.

    Post edited by ManStan on
  • brainmuffinbrainmuffin Posts: 1,213
    edited December 1969

    Fauvist said:
    Every time DAZ release something new that is supposed to replace something I already have, I lose interest in 3D art, I lose interest in DAZ, I don't come the site very often, the forum becomes one long argument, I stop buying everything.
    Quite often, I have the same reaction. A few times I've bought the old stuff when it is on fire sale. I render like made and then take a 2 year break when I can't get what is in my head onto the screen. Sometimes I uninstall everything and run away from 2 years.....
  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.
    If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    DAZ3D has never been open about their figure plans. But lets face it, they are not going to release JUST female characters though they ALWAYS go first cause the females sell better then males.

    True...but I have no desire to go back to a separate base for the two genders Matty...none whatsoever! I will continue to use genesis, not to be confused with that female figure, and will only upgrade when I find something that suits me better. DAZ can do what it wants, how it wants. I have no need for more new toys at the moment I'm quite happy with what I've got. If support wanes for the figure I use...I'll make my own stuff if I need to. Not trying to bitch, complain or whinge here, just stating my opinion fwiw and respond to people who have responded to me.

    Cheers

    Pen

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,949
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.
    If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    DAZ3D has never been open about their figure plans. But lets face it, they are not going to release JUST female characters though they ALWAYS go first cause the females sell better then males.

    True...but I have no desire to go back to a separate base for the two genders Matty...none whatsoever! I will continue to use genesis, not to be confused with that female figure, and will only upgrade when I find something that suits me better. DAZ can do what it wants, how it wants. I have no need for more new toys at the moment I'm quite happy with what I've got. If support wanes for the figure I use...I'll make my own stuff if I need to. Not trying to bitch, complain or whinge here, just stating my opinion fwiw and respond to people who have responded to me.

    Cheers

    Pen


    Its ok, I know how you and the others feel...

    <<----- AIko 3 fan!</strong>

    I only have what I have for Genesis stuff cause I was making commercial poses for it. If I never did then I think I would only have the toons and Hitomi and a small handful of outfits. Even though I did pick up a couple of V6 items, two of them were only cause I can fit it to Aiko3. And after playing with V6 for a bit, I got board and went back to A3 again.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited July 2013

    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    HeraldOfFire said:

    Sadly, those plans remain shrouded in mystery regarding figures like Michael 6 or any future Kids figure aside from Zev0's morphs.
    If DAZ were more open about their plans that may have eased some peoples concerns.

    DAZ3D has never been open about their figure plans. But lets face it, they are not going to release JUST female characters though they ALWAYS go first cause the females sell better then males.

    True...but I have no desire to go back to a separate base for the two genders Matty...none whatsoever! I will continue to use genesis, not to be confused with that female figure, and will only upgrade when I find something that suits me better. DAZ can do what it wants, how it wants. I have no need for more new toys at the moment I'm quite happy with what I've got. If support wanes for the figure I use...I'll make my own stuff if I need to. Not trying to bitch, complain or whinge here, just stating my opinion fwiw and respond to people who have responded to me.

    Cheers

    Pen


    Its ok, I know how you and the others feel...

    <<----- AIko 3 fan!</strong>

    I only have what I have for Genesis stuff cause I was making commercial poses for it. If I never did then I think I would only have the toons and Hitomi and a small handful of outfits. Even though I did pick up a couple of V6 items, two of them were only cause I can fit it to Aiko3. And after playing with V6 for a bit, I got board and went back to A3 again.
    To this very day my go-to girl shape is Aiko 3 mixed with Hitomi. This is why I probably won't get really comfortable for G2F until A6 comes out.

    Post edited by RCDeschene on
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