The Woolyloach Come Home Complaint Thread
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...here is what comes up after I start the system and log in:
Not sure what is causing this.
Can you boot into safe mode with networking?
...haven't tried that yet. It has rebooted normally. Not sure how to force it to do so.
observation: the server that sent me the email must be in the UTC 0 (Western European Time).
I think I bought Poser 9 around September 28, 2013 8:20 Eastern Time (U.S.A).
I think you hold down F8 (?) while the computer is starting but before it says "Windows is Starting..."
F10? I think it's F8...
Should be while the screen is still black. I hold it down the moment the computer's lights come back on and it usually shows the screen then.
Also dat GNU Image Manipulation thingie? Hah, I glanced over the image and through the corner of my eye it looked like it said "Gene Manipulation Program" ^^
Must still be tired :B
...F8 takes me to a reset Boot Device menu. Must be F10.
I would search the computer for this file named BC. There's no extension? Do you have the system set up to not show file extensions? I always turn that off. I want to see the file extension. I guess you'd have to search for "bc.*" When you find it, try to open it with notepad if it truly has no extension. You might be able to see the filename in the header section. If you don't remember installing anything that used a file with that name, it is probably a worm or malware of some sort.
Dana
Is it Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 8?
Dana
KK, for Windows 7 it is the F8 key for sure.
For Windows 8, it starts too quickly to press F8 in time. Here are the instructions for starting Safe Mode in Windows 8.
Dana
...I;ll take a look
Right now viewing the system stats on the BIOS screen and there too only 8G of the 12G are showing. Everything was fine last night before I shut down and there were no odd messages or events. How could 4G of RAM effectively "disappear"?
Is there any kind of diagnostic I can run to check the actual memory itself?
...are you sure? All I got was a menu of four devices to choose from as the "boot drive".
Running a search of the C: drive for "BC".
Found two without an extension names just "BC" both 2K in size. One is in C:/Users and the other in C:?Documents and settings. Viewing the Properties, the file type listed is simply "file" Creation date was May 28 Updated July 11, and accessed today 09-28.Not sure if this is my profile setup or what. Odd that it was created back in May and only now kicks up the "Open With" prompt.
...are you sure? All I got was a menu of four devices to choose from as the "boot drive".
So you have Windows 7? The info came from the Microsoft website. You have to press it and hold it before you see the Windows Logo. If you see the logo, it's too late and you have to try again. If you have a fast system, it could be tough to beat I suppose. I'd start tapping F8 as soon as it starts booting if you think that's it. Sometimes holding the key down fills the keyboard buffer and it will start to beep, machine gun fire kind of beeping if you hold it down. Maybe they fixed that with Windows 7. I guess you should hold it down if that's what it says in their instructions.
Here is the directions for Windows 7...Microsoft's site.
Dana
...OK I got it, just held the key down like you said. There are a number of choices on this menu including "Repair Your Computer" which allows running of diagnostics I wonder if I should do that first to see if it gives any indication as to why 2 of my RAM sticks are not being seen,
KK If Win 7 is booting to a Short cut link (that's what you showed) The Reg link to your Account got hit in a Auto restore point. That can happen for two reasons, loss of ram, as you said might have happened or the Dreaded Blue screen during a file write, which you also said might have happened. Both can NORMALLY, not always, be fixed by setting the PC back to the last CLEAN restore point it saved. The Restores are only REG settings which means All your DATA will still be on the Hard Drive but Might not list in things like LAST file loaded menus.
PS. Frankie says Hi to you all.
If you can boot into safe mode without errors you can run diagnostics with some confidence.
Another thing to check is the RAM stick. It might have become slightly disconnected. That is one issue with cards and memory modules if you turn off and turn on your computer. The heating up, then cooling down, then heating up, then cooling down, causes things to expand then contract, repeatedly. This often has the effect of "walking" a card or module out of the socket slightly, then full contact is no longer made and it shows as an error or dead module/card. For RAM modules, remove it completely and then reseat it. Touch the metal chassis before touching the RAM modules, to discharge if you have static.
I run my computer all the time. That, of course, may have its consequences as well. I've replaced several ventilation fans over the years.
Dana
..OK the interesting thing is last night the system shut down normally, no error messages or other events.
When I first started it up this morning was when the "Open With" dialogue appeared. That was before the first blue screen event. I clikced cancel opened Daz and began to work on my scene. During the first render attempt was when it crashed to a blue screen. A few moments after that, the screen went black but it didn't restart as it should have even though the fans were still running It also did not perform the usual memory dump. I shut everything down and after letting it sit for a few minutes I turned it back on and it booted up normally, of course momentarily giving the error message about the unplanned shutdown before Windows started and left brought up the login prompt (the Open With " screen appeared again so I just cancelled out of it) After that it ran fine all morning and afternoon even through a lengthy series of test renders.
As I had to run an errand I shut it down (normal routine again) as we had a pretty nasty rain/windstorm at the time. When I returned I started it up and once again there as the "Open With" prompt. After opening Daz and the scene file I started another render process when it happened the second time, this time performing the memory dump. Thinking it could be an outdated GPU driver I went to nVida, DL'd and installed the latest update (issued on the 19th of this month). I then checked Windows Diagnostics which was when I noticed only 8G of RAM (out of the full 12) was being detected. I opened Daz Studio and loaded the scene to make sure it wasn't corrupted (it wasn't so aI saved a copy just in case) then brought up Task Manager to check what was going on. Now I know why the last render crashed because with Daz and the scene in memory, I had barely had only 3.4G of RAM remaining.
OK that was then.
So to do this restore, how do I go about rolling back to say Yesterday morning? I'm going to copy the both scene files to a flash drive because I know backing up a full day will nuked the backup copy as well as all the work I did on the scene since yesterday. Also going to lose a few freebie installs but I have the zips and can just install them again.
This is a real bugger. That memory was new. it shouldn't t have hosed like this so soon. If even one stick is bad (and I have no way of telling which one) I'll have to replace the whole 12G as my system is configured in Tri Channel mode and as I understand it is best to get all the sticks made from from the same batch. I cannot afford this even with memory prices as low as they are today. However I really don't want to have this occur again.
Looks as if all future projects are on hold indefinitely until I can scrape up the funds.
Same manufacturer, type and speed will get you there with the ram, there's no need to replace it all :>)
+1
I already checked to see if any were loose, but didn't actually remove any of the modules. I have an a static discharge wristband, the room has a hard floor, and the weather here the last few days has been on the damp and humid side.
Before I do the backup I'll try this first. Hopefully that is the issue with the memory.
...bugger, wouldn't ya know, I have to sit and wait through a bunch of bleedin' Windows updates before it shuts down.
...but how do I know which is the bad stick or sticks? It might be only one that is cutting off the connection to another.
...but how do I know which is the bad stick or sticks? It might be only one that is cutting off the connection to another.
REmove one stick at a time. If you know how to use the BIOS screen there is possibly a BIOS entry for each Ram slot, look at that first to see if it tells you anything. If you have a manual for the motherboard there might be LED indicators on the board, there is on my Asus P6T.
I already checked to see if any were loose, but didn't actually remove any of the modules. I have an a static discharge wristband, the room has a hard floor, and the weather here the last few days has been on the damp and humid side.
Before I do the backup I'll try this first. Hopefully that is the issue with the memory.
...bugger, wouldn't ya know, I have to sit and wait through a bunch of bleedin' Windows updates before it shuts down.
Of course...they always come at the worst time! I'm surprised I haven't gotten them. Maybe they're just for Windows 7.
Dana
I was going to suggest the same thing. Remove one, see if it still says there's 8 Gigs. Replace it and remove a different one, etc.
Dana
..thirty stinking minutes and finally it shut down. Talk about a bad sense of timing.
Now when they say "unplug the power supply" that is from the power mains not from the MB, correct?
That's all I've ever done, but I'm no expert. I think removing the power should be good enough.
Dana
...OK removed the first stick (C-1 slot) inserted it back in plugged everything back in & started up. Missed timing the BIOS key (brain fart) so let it go through the full start up. Checked System Properties,Task Manager, and System Stats on the GForce control panel, and all three indicate the full 12 GB.
Dana, You're a saint. Good call.
Now All I have to do is roll the system back a day and hopefully that gets rid of that annoying menu.
One thing, This won't remove the nVidia driver update, will it?
Oh yay *applause*
...OK just read through how the restore process works and there was an automatic restore point set back on the 26th before all this nonsense began happening. The good thing is I can undo if it doesn't work and I have both the update installers for the nVidia drivers and CCleaner so I can just reinstall them again if it does.
Even though it says files well be untouched still backed up the WIP scene file onto a flash drive just in case.
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Just restarted and that annoying prompt is gone.
All data will stay but Regestery updates will be lost. Not sure if a Driver counts as DATA or not. Check the version After the roll back all I can suggest.