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  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,373

    I just ate 3 Cherry Blossom bars......... just delicious for an extended period.

    Yes, I am on here way too much, reading a lot.

    McGyver said:
    FirstBastion said:

     

    McGyver said:
    Ivy said:

     

    and I just love how some of the animals get along together.

    OH MY GOD!!  
    THEY'VE FORMED AN ALLIANCE!!
    THE PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE!!

    .Herbivores usually get along, its the carnivores that cause most the problems.

    That's just herbivore propaganda... it's a ploy to lull you into a false sense of security. 

    I've seen some pretty sleezy goats, and a really nasty cow now and then..... strangely, the media will not say a word about it.

    ArtAngel said:
    his x said:

    I have no more optimism to offer. Believe what you will. Attitude is everything. Hasty Lumbego.

    I think a positive attitude is crucial for health. The mind is a powerful tool but so is the virus. Being positive and being stupid are not related. And smart positive people will survive this as a memory regardless of age or health. Here are some stats that are 48 hours apart.

     

    Edit a relative in Canada, Newfoundland, said the province was virus free, but a woman from spain flew into the province for a funeral and infected others. Now they have 150 active cases and one death. And that's how the pendulum swings. (Pendulums are often used as tools to enhance healing and spiritual growth).

    Hope you are doing well.

    Have you made it back to NF and LAB yet?

    I volunteer at the Botanical Garden in St. John's every spring/summer/fall.... don't know if that will be possible or even open this year. But if it is, and you get here, drop in.

    At least it is safe to play tennis..... still watching the snow melt, and eagar to get out in my garden.

    Keep safe.

    Randy

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,797
    manekiNeko said:

    you're probably totally right about the positive attitude, the mind is powerful (placebo, anyone?). and if it doesn't help, it certainly won't do any damage to be/stay positive, the only side effect is that your daily life will be better.

    Brilliant-placebo!  I wonder what would happen if instead of telling people there was no cure they announced a cure, and gave them a pacebo?  What harm could it do. I am currently painting my garage (ceiling and all).

    The worst part of this is gargling listerine and having some leak down your throat. Yuk. My biggest fear is dying from the paint fumes but when I ran out, I thought of doing stripes for the other parts with left over paint. Broke down and ventured out to home depot, looking like a mad woman, covered in paint wearing orange gloves and a cheapie mask. The good part is the pro desk will take the order and have it filled and ready for pick up. That meant contact with only one breather. The store near me was out of the 5 gallon bucket so they gave me 5 single gallons for the same price. Then I went to Staters and bout 6 bottles of wine so I could gargle 

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Women are safe than men because they need to protect two lives at the same time.

    https://www.livescience.com/16268-female-immune-system-stronger-males-genetics.html

  • billyben_0077a25354billyben_0077a25354 Posts: 771
    edited April 2020
    zarni_412d4745a8 said:
    billyben_0077a25354 said:

    Time to get this survival thread back on track, getting too gloomy with all the talk of cats taking over the world.

    PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT!

    For those of you that are out of hand sanatizer, I had a suggestion from Kent Rollins (do a youtube search if you don't know whon he is)  Mix 70% rubbing alcohol and olive or canola oil in a 50/50 ratio to make a moisturing hand sanatizer.  Since I am down to 8 oz of Isopropyl alcohol and can't find a bottle of rubing alcohol anywhere, time to up the virus killing power so the new experiment will be...

     

    If you make a public service anouncement please make it a correct one, the needed ratio of alcohol for a working hand sanitizer is 60%-70%!

    Agreed, my experimnet failed.  Next experiment is 75% Everclear & 25% Aloevera jell.  You're right, I didn't have enough alcohol in it (have to send Kent an email to up his ratio of alcohol).

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,067
    edited April 2020
    manekiNeko said:
    Galaxy said:
    manekiNeko said:
    his x said:
    sapat said:

    I put a plastic bag over my hand and forearm and pick up the item with the bag then close the bag up over it so don't have to touch directly. I know I'm using the bags off the roller in the store, but it makes me feel better psychologically not to directly touch them. I'm one of the ppl who normally rifles thru 100 tomatoes, potatoes and whatever else looking the best one with my bagged hand.  I do the same procedure with meat.  Put on my plastic bag sleeve, rifle thru the meat I want then slip my bag back over it so I don't have to touch it.  I've never seen anyone in the history of my grocery shopping do it, but I always have.  I worked in a sterile environment for 22 yrs, and that's how we touched icky things so we didn't get contaminated.  It's different now obvi.

    I too have some experience with sterile procedures. They are now acknowledging this bug is airborne. That means hazmat suits.

    WHAT? where did you read this virus was airborne? all i've read up to now said the contrary, but on the other hand, my sources might be very flawed - i'm not actively searching for sources, just reading mainstream sites from my country (with national+international live tickers)  to stay up to date with changes and what's generally happening in the world now. which is a huge change for me: i NEVER watch any type of news usually.

    It can swim in the air (floating) for some times when a carrier cough, sneeze etc.

    sure, i know that. but i thought airborne was different. like, with cough/sneeze the virus lives in the droplets, and yes they do fly a little but they soon fall on the floor. never read exactly what airborne means but i thought it might be different, i dunno, fly by itself or in dust particles, smaller, and flying for a way longer time not only 2m meters max. in the wind. wasn't there this big panic about anthrax years ago, wasn't it supposed to distribute in the air,?

    https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations

    Basically this says, it can be spread through a sneeze or cough, or anything that sprays it into the air contained in droplets of moisture...

    But it is not one of those illnesses that can on its own become airborne, like for example the Hantavirus, which can become airborne in dust contaminated by the urine of infected mice.
    Some viruses are evolved to spread by becoming airborne once the medium they were deposited or sprayed in has dried out.

    So far the evidence says that COVID-19's only airborne transference method is through moisture droplets sprayed into the air... 

    This is much better (relatively, of course), because sprayed mist containing the virus can only travel a limited distance as the heavier moisture droplets either dry out or begin to fall downward... as opposed to viruses that are evolved to travel through the air as dust does.

    Those can float in the air, lingering long after being sent up into it by a breeze or air motion, and or travel on the breeze and remain viable/infectious for much longer.

    Keep in mind that the virus will remain dangerous for some time after being deposited on a surface... depending on what report you read it can remain viable for as short as four hours or as long as several days, though the type of surface seems to have some effect on its longevity... it seems to do well on smooth surfaces like plastic and metal.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,192

    I lost my job because of Coronavirus, and then I got a job because of it. 

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    billyben_0077a25354 said:
    zarni_412d4745a8 said:
    billyben_0077a25354 said:

    Time to get this survival thread back on track, getting too gloomy with all the talk of cats taking over the world.

    PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT!

    For those of you that are out of hand sanatizer, I had a suggestion from Kent Rollins (do a youtube search if you don't know whon he is)  Mix 70% rubbing alcohol and olive or canola oil in a 50/50 ratio to make a moisturing hand sanatizer.  Since I am down to 8 oz of Isopropyl alcohol and can't find a bottle of rubing alcohol anywhere, time to up the virus killing power so the new experiment will be...

     

    If you make a public service anouncement please make it a correct one, the needed ratio of alcohol for a working hand sanitizer is 60%-70%!

    Agreed, my experimnet failed.  Next experiment is 75% Everclear & 25% Aloevera jell.  You're right, I didn't have enough alcohol in it (have to send Kent an email to up his ratio of alcohol).

    It's not just the ratio of alcohol to whatever else you add,  it's also the purity of the alcohol,  Pure alcohol is like 100%  and you need at least 70% pure alcohol.  An average bottle of good whiskey is only 40% pure alcohol to give you some idea.    There are 2 different scales for showing the strength of alcohol  The aforementioned bottle containijng 40% ABV alcohol will be marketed at 80% proof. A bottle of the acohol used in a strong hand sanitizer is 70% ABV. (and incidently at that strength is toxic) so could also be shown as 150% proof. 

    There are two scales because the Proof scale applied to drinks is what is used to cacculate tax levels for the various alcoholic drinks.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856

    One half of the internet is saying that the images of people with burns to their hands who started cooking after applying alcohol-based hand sanitizers are hoaxes. Others say it can happen if the alcohol doesn't evaporate completely.

    I'll continue to use alcohol for internal use only.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    ArtAngel said:
    manekiNeko said:

    you're probably totally right about the positive attitude, the mind is powerful (placebo, anyone?). and if it doesn't help, it certainly won't do any damage to be/stay positive, the only side effect is that your daily life will be better.

    Brilliant-placebo!  I wonder what would happen if instead of telling people there was no cure they announced a cure, and gave them a pacebo?  What harm could it do. I am currently painting my garage (ceiling and all).

    The worst part of this is gargling listerine and having some leak down your throat. Yuk. My biggest fear is dying from the paint fumes but when I ran out, I thought of doing stripes for the other parts with left over paint. Broke down and ventured out to home depot, looking like a mad woman, covered in paint wearing orange gloves and a cheapie mask. The good part is the pro desk will take the order and have it filled and ready for pick up. That meant contact with only one breather. The store near me was out of the 5 gallon bucket so they gave me 5 single gallons for the same price. Then I went to Staters and bout 6 bottles of wine so I could gargle 

    just so we're on the same page - i read about the surprising effects of placebo. in studies. in labs. in theory.

    now, i would NEVER use the word placebo in any context about cure or prevention against corona/covid. discovering how mighty our mind is in healing our body and make it believe anything is awesome, thrilling. tho when thousands of people die in the worst ways en masse in a horrendous short time span... the powers of the mind are maybe not what we need, but massive protection and fast medical discoveries/test responses. and financial help so that sick & healers have all they need.

    i just meant that a positive mindset COULD be compared to placebo and support anyone better than negative thinking - not that we could all just imagine we're healthy and *poof*, the pandemic is gone. i'm not a high ranked politician, and i'd rather believe in unicorns, it's more realistic...

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,067

    But, if your hands do ignite... technically they are twice as sanitized.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856
    McGyver said:

    But, if your hands do ignite... technically they are twice as sanitized.

    Yeah, good point - the virus should burn off along with the skin.

  • AsariAsari Posts: 703
    McGyver said:

    But, if your hands do ignite... technically they are twice as sanitized.

    Mission accomplished.
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    ArtAngel said:
    manekiNeko said:

    you're probably totally right about the positive attitude, the mind is powerful (placebo, anyone?). and if it doesn't help, it certainly won't do any damage to be/stay positive, the only side effect is that your daily life will be better.

    ...  I am currently painting my garage (ceiling and all).

    ...

    Mr. Bean has a quick and easy way to do that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1SuLjnRcI

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    edited April 2020
    McGyver said:
    manekiNeko said:
    Galaxy said:
    manekiNeko said:
    his x said:
    sapat said:

    I put a plastic bag over my hand and forearm and pick up the item with the bag then close the bag up over it so don't have to touch directly. I know I'm using the bags off the roller in the store, but it makes me feel better psychologically not to directly touch them. I'm one of the ppl who normally rifles thru 100 tomatoes, potatoes and whatever else looking the best one with my bagged hand.  I do the same procedure with meat.  Put on my plastic bag sleeve, rifle thru the meat I want then slip my bag back over it so I don't have to touch it.  I've never seen anyone in the history of my grocery shopping do it, but I always have.  I worked in a sterile environment for 22 yrs, and that's how we touched icky things so we didn't get contaminated.  It's different now obvi.

    I too have some experience with sterile procedures. They are now acknowledging this bug is airborne. That means hazmat suits.

    WHAT? where did you read this virus was airborne? all i've read up to now said the contrary, but on the other hand, my sources might be very flawed - i'm not actively searching for sources, just reading mainstream sites from my country (with national+international live tickers)  to stay up to date with changes and what's generally happening in the world now. which is a huge change for me: i NEVER watch any type of news usually.

    It can swim in the air (floating) for some times when a carrier cough, sneeze etc.

    sure, i know that. but i thought airborne was different. like, with cough/sneeze the virus lives in the droplets, and yes they do fly a little but they soon fall on the floor. never read exactly what airborne means but i thought it might be different, i dunno, fly by itself or in dust particles, smaller, and flying for a way longer time not only 2m meters max. in the wind. wasn't there this big panic about anthrax years ago, wasn't it supposed to distribute in the air,?

    https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations

    Basically this says, it can be spread through a sneeze or cough, or anything that sprays it into the air contained in droplets of moisture...

    But it is not one of those illnesses that can on its own become airborne, like for example the Hantavirus, which can become airborne in dust contaminated by the urine of infected mice.
    Some viruses are evolved to spread by becoming airborne once the medium they were deposited or sprayed in has dried out.

    So far the evidence says that COVID-19's only airborne transference method is through moisture droplets sprayed into the air... 

    This is much better (relatively, of course), because sprayed mist containing the virus can only travel a limited distance as the heavier moisture droplets either dry out or begin to fall downward... as opposed to viruses that are evolved to travel through the air as dust does.

    Those can float in the air, lingering long after being sent up into it by a breeze or air motion, and or travel on the breeze and remain viable/infectious for much longer.

    Keep in mind that the virus will remain dangerous for some time after being deposited on a surface... depending on what report you read it can remain viable for as short as four hours or as long as several days, though the type of surface seems to have some effect on its longevity... it seems to do well on smooth surfaces like plastic and metal.

    thanks. this is exactly what i needed to be clear about. yes, the hantavirus, good you mention that (the only thing that came to my mind was anthrax) - a while ago i informed myself about it since i had a mice invasion in my previous lodgings (my elderly neighbour had a horse+donkey and people brought her old bread - she "stored" it in the staircase of our farm-ish house, the house was totally under siege, you could hear them run away as you went up the stairs, they even managed to enter my kitchen. so i freaked out a bit, and read about hanta.

    and i'm glad someone more (you) precises that the virus can be in the air, but NOT outside of those droplets. still.. but good to know.

    about surfaces, i basically put on gloves any time i go out of my flat (well stupidly, my bathroom is also in the staircase, but i only have 1 elderly neighbor, who lives upstairs and has to cross my floor, and ofc i wash my hands after the bathroom - even without corona, lol).
    like going to the post box or to get deliveries after someone dumped them in the ground floor hallway. i usually leave everthing there as dumped, safe for fridge stuff which i take with gloves. i wash my hands after i unpack anything too.
    letters and deliveries are left to stay in a corner/the hallway for over 48h, more if i don't need them (elderly neighbor has been ordered to not touch them either, he's very helpful but...). and after i take my gloves off i wash my hands.
    i started wearing a mask in the house/hallway too now since i saw that video yesterday, when i collect the fridge deliveries from downstairs and close the door after volunteers came by. and i'm gonna limit my trips to the eco-point (garbage+recycling) even more, since i can't seemingly avoid crossing people there who have the need to be social instead of keeping to themselves and leaving me alone. why the heck isn't a polite nod at a distance enough? why can't they wait to use a bin or sth until you're finished and gone - or worse, they stay there after they're done to exchange some stupid palaver... i just refrain to tell them to get stood on because it's a village where everyone knows everyone - in my old city i'd give them a piece of my mind...
    imagine you live as a 90% hikikomori anyways, safe for rare undeliverable shopping, doctor, rarely family a few towns away... now even more - and in the 10mins a week when you dump your tins/paper an a****le manages to spray a little cloud of droplets by nonsense useless inappropriate chatting... and you happen to walk through it a few minutes later and get the damn virus... and get real sick. it would be worse than being an asshat, enjoying life without taking precautions, and then get sick, innit?

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,067
    ArtAngel said:
    manekiNeko said:

    you're probably totally right about the positive attitude, the mind is powerful (placebo, anyone?). and if it doesn't help, it certainly won't do any damage to be/stay positive, the only side effect is that your daily life will be better.

    Brilliant-placebo!  I wonder what would happen if instead of telling people there was no cure they announced a cure, and gave them a pacebo? 

    Okay...

    After exhaustive research, I've determined that Rootbeer Pop-Tarts, glazed in Gulden's Spicy Brown mustard, topped with Smoked Oysters is an effective placebo, er... cure for... let's say... pretty much everything including shark bites.

    Also... my exhaustive research was several bottles of stout... I'm feeling pretty sleepy now, so it must have worked... 

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    Nath said:
    McGyver said:

    But, if your hands do ignite... technically they are twice as sanitized.

    Yeah, good point - the virus should burn off along with the skin.

    kids, don't try this at home... cheeky

    but if you do, generous use of (better tasting) alcohol internally first as mentioned above should help with the unpleasant feeling associated with burnt skin ^^

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,797
    LeatherGryphon said:

    Mr. Bean has a quick and easy way to do that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1SuLjnRcI

    OMG! That is hilarious. Tears are running down my face!

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856

    some recommendations for alcohol for internal use:

     

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,566
    Nath said:

    some recommendations for alcohol for internal use:

     

    I rather stick with coffee as my home does not allow alcohol for internal use.  (probably not for any use if it is that is the drinkable alcohol.)  I do have some rubbing alcohol but it is locked up.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856

    Coffee is good as well :-)

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453

    Bacardi 151 Rum would be effective because it's 75% alcohol, but it's rather an expensive alternative. The 6 feet number was arrived at based on how far the typical person can sneeze infected droplets. I've been known to sneeze things into the next county! blush

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2020

     Personally I think its a real shame to waste clear 100 proof+ Spirits, high dollar 100 proof+ whiskey or a bottle 190 + of corn run alcohol just to wash hands with when hot water and soap actually work better. if you run out of hand soap laundry soap works just as well.

     Personally I rather drink the alcohol and use soap for my hands , its reminds of the saying throwing out the baby with the bath water.

     But that 's just me. with my redneck philosophy you know wink

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,484
    Ivy said:

     Personally I think its a real shame to waste clear 100 proof+ Spirits, high dollar 100 proof+ whiskey or a bottle 190 + of corn run alcohol just to wash hands with when hot water and soap actually work better. if you run out of hand soap laundry soap works just as well.

     Personally I rather drink the alcohol and use soap for my hands , its reminds of the saying throwing out the baby with the bath water.

     But that 's just me. with my redneck philosophy you know wink

    Totally agree. And I'm an English Rose so no redneck here

  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866
    Ivy said:

     Personally I think its a real shame to waste clear 100 proof+ Spirits, high dollar 100 proof+ whiskey or a bottle 190 + of corn run alcohol just to wash hands with when hot water and soap actually work better. if you run out of hand soap laundry soap works just as well.

     Personally I rather drink the alcohol and use soap for my hands , its reminds of the saying throwing out the baby with the bath water.

     But that 's just me. with my redneck philosophy you know wink

    Ain't it the truth, Ivy? Potable spirits as hand cleaner is a bit bourgeois. Scrub with isopropyl. The right tool for the right job.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,856

    My bottles are strictly for drinking *g*

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453

    I just missed getting a haircut before the lockdown. Stir crazy? What's that?

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2020

    Has anyone watched the movie "I Am Ledgen" 

    Where a pandemic virus like a some sort of coronaviruses was killing the world populations. much like today.  and after some time they came up with a untested vaccine and immediately start using it on people which being a untested vaccine turned everyone into Vampires Zombies. So I was thinking  Boy I sure hope Real-life-experience won't imitate a fictional story and in all our nation's haste push out some untested vaccine and turn everyone into some kind of monster zombie like that movie. ...YIKES!!!

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,625

    maybe we can wear hoodies backwards if we cannot get masks enlightened

  • laststand6522732laststand6522732 Posts: 866
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    maybe we can wear hoodies backwards if we cannot get masks enlightened

    I was thinking that a bra would easily make two masks.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    Nath said:

    Coffee is good as well :-)

    yup, if it's burning hot i think it might disinfect your hands too... just leave the hands in the pot for about 10min, should work XD

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