Poser support being run down?
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& DAZ Studio ,Poser is all ready a plug for main app's so.
Oh & Blender is free ,a killer main app.
That sounds like a real PITA to create a runtime folder. With Poser I can just go in and create a folder name it what I want and populate it with the appropriate items. What if I don't want to use DIM? I have heard enough horror stories about items downloading to strange locations or not where you want them to ... beside call me a control freak or whatever but I rather have complete control over my runtime. Creating shortcuts or temporary folders sounds like a recipe for losing whole runtimes do to a crash or inadvertent deletion. My biggest question is if I go in and rearrange the folders to fit my style and an update comes out does it reset all my work or will it stay as I have set it up?
I might have missed someone mentioning it, but it's extremely easy to create your own folders using categories directly within DAZ Studio. I have categories for all sorts of things, divided how I like them. For example, I have a main category for Genesis, within that I have sub-categories for Character, Clothing, Poses, Accessories. Under Clothing, I have the separate outfits I have bought and under each outfit I have the textures for it, no matter where those textures may have come from. Some of my main categories include Props, Sets, Shaders and Presets, Real Animals, Fantasy Animals, Dragons, all further sub-categorized to suit my tastes. I rarely bother with Smart Content, I personally find it messy to look at.
I use DIM to download and keep a original runtime for them to download into, categorizing creates links within the program. I keep original runtimes for DAZ content, one for Rendo, one for RuntimeDNA and so forth and make my categories from them.
But this still requires the creating of a separate runtime to do what I want. With Poser I work right from the main runtime and have the Poser items in folders just like I have all of my purchased items. So when I do a back up every month I only have to backup one runtime instead of two. It just seems like a huge pain just to be able to set my runtime up to suit me instead of the program. So you only have to backup one folder?
Put your various Runtimes under one folder and back that one up. You save much more time using Install Manager than that little bit. Then making shortcuts saves you more time than moving the folders because your updates are automated.
But do it your way, if you want, DAZ Studio doesn't care.
Even easier, create metadata for items as you use them and ignore the Content Library Pane.
But in all honestly, it's because of Metadata that I can more easily handle having multiple runtimes. I still have my Poser runtime in the same place it's always been. Daz Studio is just set up to read it and I've set up metadata so I can find all my older Poser content in the Daz Studio Smart Content tab.
Seeing as it's context sensitive, I'm not bombarded by millions of props, clothes or folders to hunt through. I can find what I want in a fraction of the time that it would take me hunting through my rather large library.
The only catch I've found so far is multi-purpose shaders, which I still have to use the Content Library for. I'm sure there's a way to get them to list in the Smart Content whenever I have a surface selected, but I haven't figured out how yet.
Customers don't normally see what goes on behind the scenes. Thank you to all the PAs who replied here.
Really liked seeing the break down of production time, sales numbers, and things from the PA's point of view.
I think I'll wait until after the PA sale is over to pick up some of the back catalog stuff so the PAs can make a bigger profit for their efforts.
If you give a shader a compatibility of AnySurface it should display in Smart Content whenever a surface is selected. I see it on other shaders purchased from DAZ
I've never been an active forum member, but I used to be a rabid purchaser of content here at DAZ. I feel I should preface the following comments with the fact that I am a Poser user. I've had the good fortune to be able to upgrade versions consistently since the first Pro. I currently own Pro 2014.
When I first saw the writing on the wall and Studio and Poser software capabilities began to significantly divide, I have to tell you I was completely heartsick. I had a horribly difficult decision to make. I made it and though my earnings go mostly toward other sites that have mountains of content I do not own for the figures I use, (Gen 4), I do some browsing here once or twice a week and lament not being able to have this or that because it's Studio only. DSON capability still makes me pause because while I have been able to make some pieces work here and there, nine times out of ten it's simply easier for me to develop my own materials, morphs and tweaks for an object I already have to get the same look or feel and correct what I need to in post than to try to worry about fixing a compatibility issue that randomly crops up for no reason through no fault of anyone involved. Computer gremlins. At one point I even considered content creation as a route for me with determination to attempt content for both softwares, unfortunately, nothing I ever do can be perfect enough for my tastes to justify even giving them away, never mind asking people to actually hand over money. (I'm incredibly hard on myself.)
I too am one of those who very simply 'connects' with Poser. I don't know that I could tell you why or how if I had years to think about it. The software at its core just makes sense to me and I'm adept enough with the various features to be able to put out an infinitely better base render with half the time (both composition and render) and effort than I am with Studio. Not Studio's fault mind you, but I've tried since Studio 1 and revisited every iteration since. I was even one of those who was involved in the purchase debacle. Poser has just flat out always produced better renders for me. I know that better is subjective and I think that's what some of us forget when attempting to compare the two softwares. I've seen people produce lovely images using Studio and new content and there are moments when I wish to Jack I could justify dumping everything and hopping on the Studio ship again.
I think I would quickly find myself in a cardboard box eating rats and fleas from using all of my funds to catch up on the products I've missed as a result of strictly incompatibility. I feel a little pinprick of jealousy every time a vendor I particularly like puts something new out that the little girl in me just HAS TO HAVE. Maybe, maybe, maybe one day I'll be able to recreate my personal success with Poser in Studio and you'll see one of the Poser prodigals return. But for now, I picked the software I have the best success with and it sadly leaves me with little more than browsing to do in the DAZ store.
I also want to offer my congratulations to the PA's here. You put out some incredible work and DAZ is lucky ducky to have your time and effort reflected in an amazing lineup of products here.
That sounds like a real PITA to create a runtime folder. With Poser I can just go in and create a folder name it what I want and populate it with the appropriate items. What if I don't want to use DIM? I have heard enough horror stories about items downloading to strange locations or not where you want them to ... beside call me a control freak or whatever but I rather have complete control over my runtime. Creating shortcuts or temporary folders sounds like a recipe for losing whole runtimes do to a crash or inadvertent deletion. My biggest question is if I go in and rearrange the folders to fit my style and an update comes out does it reset all my work or will it stay as I have set it up?
I might have missed someone mentioning it, but it's extremely easy to create your own folders using categories directly within DAZ Studio. I have categories for all sorts of things, divided how I like them. For example, I have a main category for Genesis, within that I have sub-categories for Character, Clothing, Poses, Accessories. Under Clothing, I have the separate outfits I have bought and under each outfit I have the textures for it, no matter where those textures may have come from. Some of my main categories include Props, Sets, Shaders and Presets, Real Animals, Fantasy Animals, Dragons, all further sub-categorized to suit my tastes. I rarely bother with Smart Content, I personally find it messy to look at.
I use DIM to download and keep a original runtime for them to download into, categorizing creates links within the program. I keep original runtimes for DAZ content, one for Rendo, one for RuntimeDNA and so forth and make my categories from them.
But this still requires the creating of a separate runtime to do what I want. With Poser I work right from the main runtime and have the Poser items in folders just like I have all of my purchased items. So when I do a back up every month I only have to backup one runtime instead of two. It just seems like a huge pain just to be able to set my runtime up to suit me instead of the program. So you only have to backup one folder?
Put your various Runtimes under one folder and back that one up. You save much more time using Install Manager than that little bit. Then making shortcuts saves you more time than moving the folders because your updates are automated.
But do it your way, if you want, DAZ Studio doesn't care.
Even easier, create metadata for items as you use them and ignore the Content Library Pane.
I undersand what you are saying but that STILL means I have a main runtime and then a second runtime with liks that I have to update whenever I add something. As far as metadata I have never used it and wouldn't know the first step in creating metadata. Poser is so much easier in this area and as much as I am trying to get this to work it feels like I need to find a practical applications instructor to sit with me to show me how to do all of this. I started out trying both Poser 6 and DS and even then I found Poser easier to work with and as the programs developed it has only gotten worse.
I use both Poser and DAZ Studio about evenly depending on the figure or prop so having support for both is a big plus but not a necessity. It is a factor I do look at and note when a PA moves to DAZ only support.... maybe I wait till a product has a big discount later sale or pass on it but sometimes I buy anyway if I really like it or need a punch or whatever... not something I hold against a PA if I really like their art and products.
DAZ and Smith Micro are such different companies... DAZ is 100% 3D content broker where as Smith Micro is into mostly other stuff and Poser is just software they sell but not their bread and butter so they don't care as much what models people use with it. I think what will happen to Poser is what happened to the browser Netscape when it tried to compete with a free Microsoft Internet Explorer. Many people considered it a better browser but hey who is going to pay money for it when Explorer was free.
Shadowhawk, if you don't care about the metadata, and you don't have any desire to use the smart content to search for things, then all of your problems are solved. You can certainly use only one runtime. That is how mine is set up. Moving stuff from where it installs to will mess up the metadata, but that is only important if you are using the smart content. It will not in anyway affect product functionality. I've never used the smart content. I've never needed to. I know where my content is because I put it there. I have one content folder that I use for both DS and Poser. It is quite large after putting stuff into it all these years. If you want specific help for your situation, I'd suggest starting a new thread and we can walk you through it.
Please note, I'm not trying to pressure you or "convert" you. No hard feelings if you decide DS is not for you and you want to stick with Poser. That choice is 100% valid and I respect it. I'm just offering help as I think what you are trying to achieve is completely possible.
Shadowhawk, if you don't care about the metadata, and you don't have any desire to use the smart content to search for things, then all of your problems are solved. You can certainly use only one runtime. That is how mine is set up. Moving stuff from where it installs to will mess up the metadata, but that is only important if you are using the smart content. It will not in anyway affect product functionality. I've never used the smart content. I've never needed to. I know where my content is because I put it there. I have one content folder that I use for both DS and Poser. It is quite large after putting stuff into it all these years. If you want specific help for your situation, I'd suggest starting a new thread and we can walk you through it.
Please note, I'm not trying to pressure you or "convert" you. No hard feelings if you decide DS is not for you and you want to stick with Poser. That choice is 100% valid and I respect it. I'm just offering help as I think what you are trying to achieve is completely possible.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! DestinysGarden you are a life saver! With Genesis and G2F not being native to Poser and being unhappy with the way they work through the DSON importer I would really like to learn to use DS as well as Poser so I have the opportunity to use some of the DS only items that are becoming more and more frequent here. I will start a new thread for help and I appreciate your comment about not needing metadata, It was starting to feel like that was going to be the last nail in the coffin lid for trying to learn DS.
:red: Hey, no problem. Post a link here when you get the thread up, or shoot me a PM. I've already got some screen shots ready for you.
If content doesn't work in Poser, I don't buy it. If content needs a 3rd product to make it work in Poser, I almost never buy it. DAZ and the artists who sell through DAZ are losing a lot of money every time they release something that isn't Poser compatible.
I guess it depends on what you think is "a lot of money". If I had not done my last poser product I would be out 82.22.
And those venders that cater only to Poser lose out to DS only users;
- read the thread and you will see that the venders aren't loosing money making products DS only
I guess that doesn't matter so much if it saves them the time they can use to make more products and with those easily make up for that 'lost money'.
Not spending the extra time to get items to work in DS, vice versa, is a strategy that a lot of vendors at Renderosity have been using for quite a while, so it seems to be working.
I guess it depends on what you think is "a lot of money". If I had not done my last poser product I would be out 82.22.
Gah!
I was afraid you meant Cases For Curiosities, but then I saw it has .dufs in it. For that one to have done that badly would've been a crying shame! You definitely deserve better. That's some very nice work and some very handsome renders.
Shadowhawk, if you don't care about the metadata, and you don't have any desire to use the smart content to search for things, then all of your problems are solved. You can certainly use only one runtime. That is how mine is set up. Moving stuff from where it installs to will mess up the metadata, but that is only important if you are using the smart content. It will not in anyway affect product functionality. I've never used the smart content. I've never needed to. I know where my content is because I put it there. I have one content folder that I use for both DS and Poser. It is quite large after putting stuff into it all these years. If you want specific help for your situation, I'd suggest starting a new thread and we can walk you through it.
Please note, I'm not trying to pressure you or "convert" you. No hard feelings if you decide DS is not for you and you want to stick with Poser. That choice is 100% valid and I respect it. I'm just offering help as I think what you are trying to achieve is completely possible.
Hey all,
I am starting a new thread as a result of this one. I didn't want to highjack this threasd as a result of my questions, if other Poser uses are having the same issue that I am in regards to the content library setup and other parts of DAZ Studio I invite you to ask your questions here and maybe we can all get a little bette understanding of how to make these programs fit our workflow better.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/47748/
Hello, hello,
this discussion makes me a little bit sad. I am just a user/customer who loves to do pictures for passion. For me, it was a black day, when our 3D community was divided into Poser and DAZ users. I wish, there would be a unified 3D content file standard for DAZ and Poser.
Thanks for all the great content!
Season's Greetings,
Scrib
The split is mostly the inevitable result of proprietary software. When both companies introduced improved rigging methods I don't know if Smith Micro was keeping their method secret or Daz just wanted to do their own thing but we ended up Genesis and the new Poser figures being incompatible. And both companies chose different proprietary add-ons for dynamic clothes so dynamic clothes are not transferrable between the applications. And since they use different renderers the advanced shading and lighting settings are always going to be incompatible. As long as you have a market where software developers guard their secrets and companies need licences to use add-ons you are never going to get a unified standard for anything.
I started off as a Poser user before Daz Studio was invented and I still use both. I think there are some things that each does best.
And I second your thanks for all the great content. There is a lot of really good stuff being made for both applications, and there are some great Christmas gifts here this year!
It was the other way around. DAZ went to SM a year before Genesis released and gave them all the tech and SM decided to implicate it to how they wanted it. There was a thread about it some time ago when it happened.
Not sure what that means...but ok ;)
Still would encourage development of a library structure that can be moved ;)In Windows, for example, right click on a folder and "Create Shortcut." That new folder can be anywhere on your computer but still, when you open it, opens the actual folder in the original location.
Not much (or any in most cases) more, time consuming than moving the actual folders, or even content, but with the added advantage that Install Manager still knows where things are for updates.
This was OT for the thread but I just ran across it again (on page 6).
The only problem with making these shortcuts is that Studio doesn't seem to see them. That kinda makes the effort useless. Unless I'm missing something (and I hope I am).
It's pretty clear that people get along better with one interface than another. A lot of times just because they are used to it and other times just because it works better with how their brain works. A best example to me is to compare Blender, Hexagon and Silo. It reminds me of the story of the Goldilocks and which bowl of porridge was just right "for her". We could argue features, but I bet the main reason for liking one over the other is heavily due to what you are used to. Both Poser and Studio are very powerful tools which take a lot of hours to mostly understand. Meanwhile, I don't plan to tell Goldilocks that she has to sit down and eat all of poppa bear's porridge. :)
I own PP2014 and of course, Studio 4.7. From my perspective, which I'm sure is flawed, biased or whatever..... DAZ has marched ahead bringing us new technology. If you look at other software companies that stopped pushing things forward, what has happened to them?
As a PA, there is a lot of work that goes into any project. Yes, doing Poser compatible content adds time to creating a product (some are fairly easy and quick, some difficult and time consuming and some can't be done). I haven't done a split product, one for Poser and one for Studio, but that would be the only way to know. But I do hear what other PAs are finding that have done such. The Poser percentage is getting smaller.
I ask myself one very important question. What percentage of the creation of a product is to create a Poser version? Does that percentage equal the percentage of extra sales to Poser only users? If not, it means the Studio users are subsidizing my Poser content. To me, that is very unfair to the Studio users and something I want to avoid.
Can this be a sticky, or the story posted as a sticky? :)
I think it would help so that everyone can get their story straight and also to maybe lessen all the DAZ bashing over the situation.
Many are not searching for or have not read those threads that have that info (as it happened back then) and run with their assumptions.
The Poser percentage is getting smaller... yea probably...but not because they refused to adopt the DAZ Genesis technology ..... its because how can you sell your cars when the sales lot across the street is giving away their cars for free.
Can this be a sticky, or the story posted as a sticky? :)
I think it would help so that everyone can get their story straight and also to maybe lessen all the DAZ bashing over the situation.
Many are not searching for or have not read those threads that have that info (as it happened back then) and run with their assumptions.
Doesn't matter if it is made a sticky lol. Some people refuse to believe anything DAZ or it's PA's say over at other sites. We have said this exact thing over and over and got crucified for doing so lol. Some people will just believe what they want to believe. Apparently it is illegal to point fingers at SM in any way. :lol:
From one perspective, Daz does have the advantage since they were content developers long before they produced the software to match, but to look at it from the opposing view, if Poser had kept up to date with the technologies then many may not have migrated to Daz Studio in the first place.
To its credit, Poser has long held a few good advantages over Daz Studio, the biggest of which is its cloth room. The Optitex dynamic cloth isn't nearly as flexible or as powerful, with only very specific products being compatible and all of which requiring expensive software to create. The Firefly engine is also exceptionally fast at rendering images too. Still, all too often we're seeing requests for a product on Poser which simply couldn't be introduced because the technology doesn't currently support it. HD morphs are a good example of that.
It does do HD morphs, you just have to manually set the subD level higher in viewport before you render if you have any HD morphs dialled in.
That is true. However, the only time you really need to subD is once you are done with your scene and are ready to render. Instead of using the the word support, you should have used the word functionality:) Today when people say this is not supported etc. specially in the tech world, it means it cannot be used. :P