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From your mouth to DAZ's ears. : ) (Old tech trumps new tech!) LOL
From your mouth to DAZ's ears. : ) (Old tech trumps new tech!) LOL
Agreed.
Smileys are a small thing, but having them broken impacts on the user experience, and makes the forum a little less friendly looking..
Advertising and PR are an underrated aspect of business.
DAZ advertises the crap out of its products which is why we get newsletters almost daily now instead of 2 a week.
True story, our web marketing team is really pushing their limits on what they can get done to ensure that all products (or as close to all as we can humanly get with our current team) from our PAs get promoted and as many eyes on it as possible. The number of great products that used to get released that went unseen by the majority of the customer base compared to now is a massive improvement. You can ask any of the PAs here how much of a difference it has made compared to any prior year. Marketing / Advertising we definitely don't undervalue.
Agreed, there is a lot of advertising. Someone, or some team, is spending time putting those together. I have found many times I receive an email advertising a new product, if it looks interesting I come into the forum looking for additional information, but there is often no additional info. ( The exceptions are generally P.A's who will sometimes start a thread on their new or forthcoming products, and that is ok )
We get newsletters daily? No wonder my ISP is listing them as spammers.
The only time we don't get them is on the weekend (most of the time)
Yes, that's true.. and DAZ is one of the only companies I don't mind getting that many newsletters, so they have some quality put into them.
OK.... what was all that about?
hmmm....???
Let's see if I can figure it out....
You want to let us know that the forums get read.... and that you know you can't make everybody happy....
You apparently think "the right thing to do" is so varied it may be even be optional... and want to let us know that you guys spend your time doing "surveys, and looking at traffic patterns and browsing trends and adoption rates"...
Well... That's just awesome (and something I am quite aware of) so, knock yourselves out. Kinda funny to think that's how you guys are wasting your time, though... Tell me, is that why the smileys are still broken?
Anyway... trying to keep up, here... we want to stay on topic, after all, right?
People just love V6! And of course, there's more to come!
OK...Have I summed that up succinctly enough?
Ummmmm.... OK.... who's not "on topic" here?
I am a hobbyist and I agree with what you wrote. From this point on your opinion can count for 2. You now truly speak for more than yourself. You do not stand corrected.
Ha! Thanks! :- )
Eh, it's like any other hobby out there, some people got a boatload of money to pour into their hobbies, some don't. I fall into the second category now, I did fall into the first one years ago before the real estate/construction crash. Now I make do with what I can, no new computer every year, no buying tons of content etc etc.
What? No! I want all the info. Always. All the time! If I could I'd put a chip in my brain to keep me wired to the internet.
...ahh, another convert for DNI.
Heck with the "Make Art" button I just want to plug in and imagine my scenes into the viewport, think "render", and there it is
Kind of like that scene in Forbidden Planet where Dr Morbeus creates a "living" 3D statue of his daughter Alta while demonstrating the Krell "Plastic Educator".
Ah, that's it. Daz needs to get with DARPA and push for perfection of this device. I'm sure these days they could get the "great machine" needed to run it down to a moon or even asteroid sized construct, maybe even a 30' shipping container.
I'm a hobbyist and I disagree with what you wrote. please don't claim to speak for 'WE, the hobbyists' when you are expressing your own opinion. You are quite entitled to you own opinion, as we all are, but unless you are an elected representative, it is misleading to claim you speak for more than yourself.
...as a "hobbyist" on a very tight budget, Jasmine speaks for me and I thank her.
Why just today I finally was able to add David 5 to my library thanks of the "Fire Sale" Daz has on all DO genesis related content and the Save-6 coupon (built my own "starter bundle" pretty much for the same price as one in the store). So yes, thanks to Vicky 6, I finally have my favourite male figure for Genesis. ☺
Actually, that isn't the reason. The main reason is we're still a relatively small company. We have a very tight running ship with pretty much no fat. We have a choice to make in where to spend time, money, and resources, and that is normally to build new things and working to make sure that our customers, PAs, and the company are all doing well whether its getting the tools and resources to make great art, that our PAs are making enough money to pay the bills and eat, and that the company is profitable and not losing money. Because there is so much we want to do, both with our 3D software, figures, content, and the store, we tend to put resources to keep building and moving the technology forward. PR is important, but with limited resources, is something that had to get scaled back when you have months of different projects and initiatives and development backlogged that we think will be great things for all our customers. Really, most posts from Daz people on here are on our spare time when we need a short break from our actual work of building things for you guys.
...so when is Hexagon finally going to see a "real" update that fixes a number of long running instabilities? It's been over 5 years now and that 54$ I paid for it several years ago seems to be for nothing more than what has amounted to a "virtual paperweight" on my HDD.
So that's it then? Daz is officially abandoning Genesis as a concept and going with a model that is Genesis in name only? That's a shame. I was really hoping that Genesis 2 would still be a Unimesh, but just one that has dedicated male and female forms in addition to an all purpose androgynous one. It takes a very long time to make a decent full body morph and a good outfit. The minor inconvenience of having to create adjustive morphs when needed is going to be replaced by the major inconvenience of having to spin two entirely separate models/morphs.
So long Genesis 2. You are of little to no use to me.
Can you please tell us what Daz's intentions are concerning Genesis 1? Is it going to continue to be distributed with Daz Studio for people who want a real Genesis model or is it going to be scraped so that eventually customers will have no choice but to embrace "Genesis" 2?
....I'm with you.
G2F is still not in my 4.6 library/runtime and probably won't be so in the foreseeable future. For less than the price of just what the G2F Morph Bundle and V4 for G2F cost together, I feel I got a better deal purchasing D5 and all the related content I picked up during the big Genesis DO sale (and using the Vicky6 coupon)
I have a copy of the last most recent (sans G2F) Genesis Essentials installer archived just in case. Better not see any of those pesky "Duplicate ID " errors pop up when I install any new updates to the core app.
Genesis wont be scrapped and will continue to be distributed. It will be available along Genesis2. Scrapping Genesis would mean scrapping all existing content for it, and that would make no sense. No point in selling Genesis content in the store if the base isn't available to new users.
I'm a hobbyist and I disagree with what you wrote. please don't claim to speak for 'WE, the hobbyists' when you are expressing your own opinion. You are quite entitled to you own opinion, as we all are, but unless you are an elected representative, it is misleading to claim you speak for more than yourself.
Maybe not for you...but she described how I feel beautifully. I have always been pro DAZ and have shown my support for them in many ways. At the moment I'm feeling very let down over this new release and the lack of information fromDAZ about what was happening.
Genesis wont be scrapped and will continue to be distributed. It will be available along Genesis2. Scrapping Genesis would mean scrapping all existing content for it, and that would make no sense. No point in selling Genesis content in the store if the base isn't available to new users.
THANK YOU!
This is what Daz should have told us right from the start. As long as we know the Genesis 1 Unimesh will continue to exist and be distributed with future upgrades of Daz studio then there's no worries. Those who have bought content for Genesis won't feel like they've been kicked in the balls. Those who want to support unimesh as a concept will still be able to do so. And those who wanted a less usable but slightly more pretty figure have a new Victoria and soon a Michael figure.
And in a couple more years hopefully there will be a Genesis 3 that returns the true spirit of Genesis back to the line.
Seriously though, this whole mess could have been avoided if Daz had simply stated this at the beginning or at the very least not called these new figures Genesis when they clearly are not.
I am a hobbyist and I agree with what you wrote. From this point on your opinion can count for 2. You now truly speak for more than yourself. You do not stand corrected.
Ha! Thanks! :- )
You speak for 3 of us at the very least.
To be honest though, before there is a Genesis 3 mesh I think that most of us would rather see and probably in order of importance
1) Dymanic cloth, hair, and flesh
2) Particle physics
3) Improved Hexagon
4) Improved Bryce
All this, of course, is code monkey work so not as easily accomplished as designing a new mesh.
...and add Carrara9 Pro. Need to get this out of Beta status.
THANK YOU!
This is what Daz should have told us right from the start. As long as we know the Genesis 1 Unimesh will continue to exist and be distributed with future upgrades of Daz studio then there's no worries. Those who have bought content for Genesis won't feel like they've been kicked in the balls. Those who want to support unimesh as a concept will still be able to do so. And those who wanted a less usable but slightly more pretty figure have a new Victoria and soon a Michael figure.
And in a couple more years hopefully there will be a Genesis 3 that returns the true spirit of Genesis back to the line.
Seriously though, this whole mess could have been avoided if Daz had simply stated this at the beginning or at the very least not called these new figures Genesis when they clearly are not.
Well you know, I don't think DAZ should have had to told you that Genesis 1 wouldn't be scrapped at the release of Gen2. I think they assumed that most people would figure out that scrapping Gen 1 would mean deleting all the PA's products from the last two years. That's not happening, so are you saying they're assuming too much from their customers?
Granted what they had as literature to explain Gen2 should have been much, much more, but so many people really went the misinformation route with this release.
Right, because Daz Studio is still released with Victoria 1.
Since the goal of Genesis 2 is to be able to resell the same outfit twice, once in male form and once in female form as well as selling the same morphs twice some of us were worried that the Genesis 1 figures would no longer be included with the Daz Studio. The products would still be in the store for those of us lucky enough to have the original figures but in time they'd be phased out.
As it is I see no need to bother creating any content for the Genesis 2 figure. Genesis 1 is a superior figure and Genesis 2 can wear any content I create for it. That would be a problem now that they're planning to move to the "sell the same thing twice" business model. That is why some of us were worried Genesis 1 would no longer be included in the Daz Studio installation.
Thankfully they've said now that Genesis 1 will not be deleted, although it felt like pulling teeth to get them to finally admit that.
I could hazard a guess as to why the sudden and somewhat unannounced release of Genesis 2 and Victoria 6, my guessing is in the realm tinfoil hat suspicions.. But I wont say what it is but many maybe able to guess what it is.
Greetings,
The 'they' who said it is a PA, to be clear.Does it need to be said that DAZ isn't going to eliminate thousands of recent products from its store?
And just to be contrary, I will bet that Genesis 1 is NOT always shipped with DAZ Studio (note that it isn't shipped with it right now!) but it could become an even more independent free download of its own, for instance. (Right now there's a lot of things that come in that essentials package, and a Genesis Classic Basics package could be extracted out and made available on its own as a free download, while DS5 ships with G2F/M.)
But will it always be available? For as long as the store wants to make money, yes. :)
-- Morgan
Ha! Thanks! :- )
You speak for 3 of us at the very least.
Before this gets turned into a daisy chain of nodding dog agreements and disagreements I'd like to point out the obvious. That is that while an opinion may be shared amongst others, it can not be said by any means to be the voice of the majority. There are bound to be people who are quietly content with the figure and simply don't feel the need to voice their opinions in the forum. Whatever your feelings towards Victoria 6 are, they're irrelevant when considering the figure's overall success.
Now, I myself have posted my opinions on the figure many times and I'm discontinuing the 'fight' since I've realised that whatever my personal opinion is, this is the direction Daz have chosen to move forwards in, and it's clearly an idea supported by many. Instead of wasting my breath arguing the demerits of V6, I'll quietly wait in the wings to see how things move forwards. There may be a few surprises ahead of us, perhaps even some which will make us all look back on this and laugh at how foolish we all were.
When and if that day comes then I personally would like to be there to greet it with a smile and a hearty handshake rather than pitchforks and fire. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, for better or for worse, but no one person can ever claim to speak for the majority.
I personally wouldn't think scrapping Genesis would mean that. I think it would mean they wouldn't make any new content for it. They'd keep the content in store ala Gen 4, Gen 3 heck there is probably some Gen 1 & 2 content knocking about. However, there would limited if any new content made. Going on Daz's past performance I think this is a legitmate concern. How many new V4/M4 DOs have been put out since Genesis appeared? Given that there seems to have been a new release almost every single day of new Genesis content in the past few months you have to wonder what is going on.
Ha! Thanks! :- )
You speak for 3 of us at the very least.
Before this gets turned into a daisy chain of nodding dog agreements and disagreements I'd like to point out the obvious. That is that while an opinion may be shared amongst others, it can not be said by any means to be the voice of the majority. There are bound to be people who are quietly content with the figure and simply don't feel the need to voice their opinions in the forum. Whatever your feelings towards Victoria 6 are, they're irrelevant when considering the figure's overall success.
Now, I myself have posted my opinions on the figure many times and I'm discontinuing the 'fight' since I've realised that whatever my personal opinion is, this is the direction Daz have chosen to move forwards in, and it's clearly an idea supported by many. Instead of wasting my breath arguing the demerits of V6, I'll quietly wait in the wings to see how things move forwards. There may be a few surprises ahead of us, perhaps even some which will make us all look back on this and laugh at how foolish we all were.
When and if that day comes then I personally would like to be there to greet it with a smile and a hearty handshake rather than pitchforks and fire. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, for better or for worse, but no one person can ever claim to speak for the majority.
If you look at the stats for this thread you will see how true this statement is (the part I have made bold) Over 10,000 views, but only 300 or so people actually posting replies to the thread.