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  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,373
    Ivy said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:
    Wonderland said:
    Galaxy said:

    I am sure hundreds of lives are saved (road accidents etc.) worldwide than this virus is claiming.

    Somehow on an almost empty street there was a major car accident with injuries just a few blocks from me. There are almost no cars out, yet people manage to get into accidents. Crazy!

    License and skills testing maybe too easy to pass?

    Taoz said:

     

    McGyver said:

    I went down to the beach today... the ocean is still there... it doesn't seem very concerned over any of our problems...

    The sun doesn't seem worried either, despite it's got corona for billions of years...

    That's a beautiful pic.

    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    Mum told me the freeway behind her home is still busy.  Who are still going around driving when we are supposed to stay home?

    I've taken a few rides in the last few days.  Once for an errand to fix a yard machine, other times to just get gas or just get out of the house.  It's nice to clear my head once in awhile.

    Taoz said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:

    How do you keep your bread from getting moldy?  Every time I bake bread, it barely lasts 3 or 4 days before it's got green spots all over it.  I would consider it a huge win if I could get my baked bread to last 7 days outside of the fridge.

    A low pH (e.g. using sourdough instead of yeast) will make bread more resistant to mold and rope .   Dense bread tend to be more resistant to mold than fluffy bread.

    Keep in a cool, dry and dark place.  Humidity, heat and light facilitates growth of mold.

    Let it cool completely after baking before putting it in a bag, and keep tightly sealed (as little air as possible in the bag).

    You could also just use preservatives of course, but I guess that's obvious.

    Thank you!

    shadowhawk1 said:
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    Mum told me the freeway behind her home is still busy.  Who are still going around driving when we are supposed to stay home?

    People still ahve to shop for food and other supplies. 

    Yep!  I lucked on some paper towels the other day.  For those of us who cook, paper towels are critical.  I could use cloth towels and wash them, but that would make it easier for bacteria to spread to all of my clothing.

    Ivy said:
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    Mum told me the freeway behind her home is still busy.  Who are still going around driving when we are supposed to stay home?

    I would think going out for a drive would be a good way to combat cabin fever from being isolated. I see no issues as long as you stay in your car it be a great time to take a drive around sight seeing with less traffic on the roads.

     we for a ride on the ATV up in the mountains yesterday afternoon it was fun distractions

    That's what I do too, though I don't have an ATV.  Or mountains to drive one on.  wink

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    just glad they are not stockpiling chocolates yet

    Too late.  It seems that I am a bit of a "subconscious prepper" in these things:

    • Mushrooms
    • Onions (okay, I already knew about this one, because the big Sam's Club onion bags are kind of up front about it)
    • Pickles
    • Weed killer
    • Chocolate

    So it's the weed killer that's got me concerned here.  What do I need with 8 bottles of that stuff?  cheeky

    LeatherGryphon said:

     

    Miss Bad Wolf said:
    LeatherGryphon said:

    Anybody still got a copy of "The Last Whole Earth Catalog"?

    No as I do not know what it is.

    A big paperback catalog, about an inch thick and dimensions about the same as a typical coffeetable book.  As it says on the cover, "Access to Tools"  It's a catalog for living off the grid, or at least having the tools for self survival.  Very popular for some of the commune style hippies of the '60s and '70s.  Much of its information can now be found on the Internet, but there was no Internet in the '60s.  And when the information is really needed, there won't be any Internet again.  Better to have the book, which was also full of useful information about growing, cooking, hunting, building, surviving with your wits.  Authentic copies of the original "Whole Earth Catalog" and the "Last Whole Earth Catalog" can be found on the Internet for $$$, but there are a few such types of publication now, but the originals are classic.

    It's too bad that for so many, "surviving with your wits" is something they only think about for people off the grid.  Shouldn't we all be surviving with our wits on a day-to-day basis?

    richardandtracy said:

    The reduction in air traffic will be reducing the output of greenhouse gases. However, the reduction in con-trails will be considerably increasing the amount of sunlight reaching the ground and increasing the temperature.

    During the 9/11 airspace closure scientists discovered it was worth up to 2C temp reduction in some places. The more prolonged period this time may enable a better range to be put on those numbers. And the results may be pretty uncomfortable if the last set of results are confirmed. We may find we need aircraft to keep the temp down while still getting to zero net carbon. Don't know how it could be done without needed food being used to create fuel for needed aircraft. It would have been better not to start from here.

    I doubt planes, even in busy cities, would significantly raise or lower the ambient temperatures.

    Ivy said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:
     

    How do you keep your bread from getting moldy?  Every time I bake bread, it barely lasts 3 or 4 days before it's got green spots all over it.  I would consider it a huge win if I could get my baked bread to last 7 days outside of the fridge.

    My guess is your not eating iyour bread fast enough. So if you make more than you can eat you should wrap it good with plastic wrap and freeze it. or refrigerate it .  But its also pretty well know that you add 2 table spoons of Honey to your bread recipes to extend homemade bread freshness and keep it from molding ..... But don't take my word for it .Look it up, you seem to not believe anything else i wrote wink

    Wait, what?

    That's not true and I don't know how you come to that conclusion.  I have tons of respect for you!  Now, one thing I am guilty of is SKIMMING what other people write, especially if they wrote a wall of text and didn't separate it into actual paragraphs.  I simply can't process words very well in that way, and so maybe it's possible that I may not have received all of the packets being sent.  Now I don't recall specifically if this was what happened, but it shouldn't be mistaken as "not believing" or anything like that. 

    And thank you for the advice; much appreciated.

    Gordig said:
    Wonderland said:
    Galaxy said:

    I am sure hundreds of lives are saved (road accidents etc.) worldwide than this virus is claiming.

    Somehow on an almost empty street there was a major car accident with injuries just a few blocks from me. There are almost no cars out, yet people manage to get into accidents. Crazy!

    Every time I've left the house in the last few days, I've seen at least one accident, and they all looked fairly serious. I guess it's mostly just the idiots that are still out on the roads.

    I'm serious, it should be harder to pass a driving test.  Everywhere!  wink  I remember one time, a little old lady was arguing with the examiner at my local DMV.  She was at the window next to mine, and as I waited, I heard her say she only failed the vision test because she grabbed the wrong glasses that morning.  When the examiner offered to let her go get her glasses, she changed her story to say that she hadn't been to the eye doctor in years and she needs her driver's license to get there.  She was very oviously trying every put-on in the book.  Persistence is a virtue, I guess.  cheeky

    A couple of your back comments you made to me a few pages back in reference to a reply I made to someone else comment, just struck me as criticism or doubt, maybe i just miistakely took it that way. & I'm just being grouchy all heck today so I apologize for my bad  behavior.

    Yes, Ivy, with written text only sometimes we lose a lot of nuance and meaning..... so different from speaking in person.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited March 2020
    Bendinggrass said:
    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Would mixing chlorine bleach with any acid produce chlorine gas? Just wondering.......

    I don't know positively, there are many kinds of acid, and the rates of reactions will vary.  But the active word here is "acid", a solution that readily donates electrons.  Free electrons floating around in a solution of chlorine compounds tend to get captured by the chlorine atoms or their partner atoms, changing their charge and letting the chlorine atoms escape the bonds holding them to their current partner and float off as a gas into the air.  Not good for man nor beast.indecision

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited March 2020
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Would mixing chlorine bleach with any acid produce chlorine gas? Just wondering.......

    I don't know positively, there are many kinds of acid, and the rates of reactions will vary.  But the active word here is "acid", a solution that readily donates electrons.  Free electrons floating around in a solution of chlorine compounds tend to get captured by the chlorine atoms or their partner atoms, changing their charge and letting the chlorine atoms escape the bonds holding them to their current partner and float off as a gas into the air.  Not good for man nor beast.indecision

    When I was working we, as a company, had a policy of ordering phosphoric acid as a descaling acid rather than hydrochloric, to try reducing the risk of cleaners sneaking bleach, in to keep their mops looking clean, and accidently getting it mixed with the descaler.  However any acid will release the chlorine from bleach, but hydrochloric acid,  which does tend to be the most easily available descaling acid, will produce a heavier concentration.  As I said earlier My company wouldn't let cleaning managers order bleach, or issue it as a cleaning agent, because a cleaning agent it is not. 

    Chlorine bleach is actually a dangerous chemical  and I am always somewhat surprised that it does not carry a really obvious warning on it's bottle labels.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121
    edited March 2020
    Bendinggrass said:
    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Would mixing chlorine bleach with any acid produce chlorine gas? Just wondering.......

    Yes, just about any acid will do.  Commercial bleach is a solution of sodium hypochlorite plus some equilibrium chlorine in aqueous solution.  It is made by reacting excess NaOH (lye) solution with Chlorine gas ("pool chlorine" powder or tablets is primarily calcium hypochlorite).  Anything that will react with the basic sodium hypochlorite solution can release Chlorine.  There are also commercial products that can be oxidized by bleach to produce very unstable explosive compounds, so you can have a situation where your mixture blows up AND releases chlorine.  Best not to mix it with anything.  Amazing they sell this stuff in grocery stores.

    In 39 years working as a chemist/ChemE, I worked with some really bad stuff, but I still have immense respect for common bleach.

     

    Post edited by Greymom on
  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,723

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronavirus-scn-trnd/index.html

     

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Any exit strategy? Plan?

    Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51963486

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,565

    My roommate got pizza but I am afraid to ask for a second slice.  I do not want to be seen as greedy.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    Gordig said:
    Wonderland said:
    Galaxy said:

    I am sure hundreds of lives are saved (road accidents etc.) worldwide than this virus is claiming.

    Somehow on an almost empty street there was a major car accident with injuries just a few blocks from me. There are almost no cars out, yet people manage to get into accidents. Crazy!

    Every time I've left the house in the last few days, I've seen at least one accident, and they all looked fairly serious. I guess it's mostly just the idiots that are still out on the roads.

    There's usually so much traffic here that people don't know how to drive without it! Or maybe road rage from those who still think it's a hoax? Or drunk/high driving? Many are using alcohol or cannabis to assuage their fears or to entertain themselves. Even some celebrities are doing live Instagram stories while high, say stupid career ending things, then when the video goes viral, they delete it and say the video they filmed and posted themself was seen "out of context!" ( ie:Vanessa Hudgeons...) 

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,225
    Bendinggrass said:
    memcneil70 said:

    A friend from Canada just linked this to me: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/fkbsbk/cambridge_university_press_just_made_all_its/
    and on that other universities are apparently opening up their libraries. Since this is free and may help others pass the time, and learn, and give them ideas... I hope this is okay with the moderators.

    You know, this could lead to a lot of good things, changes, in how we approach sharing the resources of the community, for the common good.

    I hope we get all the good and none of the bad. 

    However, it has also exposed some of the problems with the "sharing economy."  Shared bicycles.  Shared scooters.  Shared wifi hotspots.  Buses, trains, airliners, etc, etc, etc.  The surfaces and cabins of these are all now potential sources of spread of disease.  We also have a reduced ratio of single-transport items to the population - seen as good for the environment when rolled out, but now exposed for other problems.  Not a problem associated with Covid19, but what if a major city had to be evacuated?  Bikeshare has reduced the ratio of bicycles to people.

    Tradeoffs.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    I went to the pharmacy this morning to pick up a prescription for the dog. and i saw my first Soothsayer  guy's standing on the corner of main street ringing a cow bell with a huge Sandwich board sign that said " God is coming,  Repent now for the end is near " sign. & handing out some paper to people that stopped.   if there would not have been so much traffic i would have stopped and took a picture. it kind of made me chuckle because I've only seen them in movies or TV .

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    Wonderland said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

    https://www.yougarden.com/item-p-350007/complete-patio-potato-growing-kit

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,565

    Maybe organizing my Daz content?  organizing my one drive?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    edited March 2020
    Wonderland said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

    basically put them in a deep pot in only a bit of soil and cover them as they grow with more loose mixture, straw is good

    I have stacked old tyres one at a time and filled with pea straw

    it will fill with potatoes and you pull it apart afterwards

    here is some DIY ideas
     

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    Taoz said:
    Wonderland said:
    Ivy said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:
     

    How do you keep your bread from getting moldy?  Every time I bake bread, it barely lasts 3 or 4 days before it's got green spots all over it.  I would consider it a huge win if I could get my baked bread to last 7 days outside of the fridge.

    My guess is your not eating iyour bread fast enough. So if you make more than you can eat you should wrap it good with plastic wrap and freeze it. or refrigerate it .  But its also pretty well know that you add 2 table spoons of Honey to your bread recipes to extend homemade bread freshness and keep it from molding ..... But don't take my word for it . Look it up, you seem to not believe anything else i wrote wink

    Back in the days of Salem witch trials a mold called Ergot grew on rye bread that caused psychedelic effects for the residents and the cows and is a derivative of LSD. Other mold is a precursor to penicillin. Bread creates interesting molds! 

    Ergot is not a bread mold but a fungus that attacks rye grains in the field (the black ones in the picture).  They still have to clean the rye from it in periods where it occurs, as it is very poisonous, it can cause gangrene, brain damage and all kinds of creepy stuff.  A lot of people died from eating bread made from ergot polluted rye back in those days where they did not know what it was.  I found some in some whole rye grains I bought a couple of years ago; though the amount didn't exceed the acceptable limit I hand cleaned it anyway.  Can also be found in wheat and other grains they say but I've never seen any despite I've hand sorted probably hundreds of kilos.


    I once was hired to do research for a film about the Salem Witch trials. At the library I found books with the actual transcripts of the trials and it was fascinating! The "witches" were actually closer to Deadheads/hippies! Several  people from neighboring towns would secretly gather at midnight and "eat of the red bread." Then they would dance by fire light, and often get naked. Almost like Woodstock! I never saw the film or know if it was actually made or if they used that part of the research. But after going through every part of all the trials' testimony, I discovered exactly who in the towns were part of these circles as they all gave each other up, and they were accused of being witches. It wasn't random at all. These people were purposely taking hallucinagetics and gathering together probably as a release from strict Puritan law, but obviously not "witches" and I bet those that sentenced them knew that but wanted to stop them, just like the government made recreational drugs illegal in the 60's, stopped all legitimate research of LSD, and arrested hippies.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    Wonderland said:
    Gordig said:
    Wonderland said:
    Galaxy said:

    I am sure hundreds of lives are saved (road accidents etc.) worldwide than this virus is claiming.

    Somehow on an almost empty street there was a major car accident with injuries just a few blocks from me. There are almost no cars out, yet people manage to get into accidents. Crazy!

    Every time I've left the house in the last few days, I've seen at least one accident, and they all looked fairly serious. I guess it's mostly just the idiots that are still out on the roads.

    There's usually so much traffic here that people don't know how to drive without it! Or maybe road rage from those who still think it's a hoax? Or drunk/high driving? Many are using alcohol or cannabis to assuage their fears or to entertain themselves. Even some celebrities are doing live Instagram stories while high, say stupid career ending things, then when the video goes viral, they delete it and say the video they filmed and posted themself was seen "out of context!" ( ie:Vanessa Hudgeons...) 

    I don't understand why people lend credence to celebrities.frown  They are people often with too much money obtained too quickly without really any real-world technical or academic skill or expertise, and often know far less than they claim to.  But some of them have big mouths and loads of gaul.  And can get the world's idiots to hang on their every word.  sigh! sad  They ought to go into politics.  Oh..., waitsurprise ... some of them do. crying

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Wonderland said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

    basically put them in a deep pot in only a bit of soil and cover them as they grow with more loose mixture, straw is good

    I have stacked old tyres one at a time and filled with pea straw

    it will fill with potatoes and you pull it apart afterwards

    here is some DIY ideas
     

    Wow, I never knew potatoes had leaves! Cool. I will take them out of the trash and plant them! 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,407

    Well in Canada we are going to be CLEAN. Yup.

    Very frequent washing of hands PLUS, it was announced on the radio this morning, after walking around outside we are to wash the clothes we wore outside and take a shower. Have no idea how wide spread that news is.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Wonderland said:
    Gordig said:
    Wonderland said:
    Galaxy said:

    I am sure hundreds of lives are saved (road accidents etc.) worldwide than this virus is claiming.

    Somehow on an almost empty street there was a major car accident with injuries just a few blocks from me. There are almost no cars out, yet people manage to get into accidents. Crazy!

    Every time I've left the house in the last few days, I've seen at least one accident, and they all looked fairly serious. I guess it's mostly just the idiots that are still out on the roads.

    There's usually so much traffic here that people don't know how to drive without it! Or maybe road rage from those who still think it's a hoax? Or drunk/high driving? Many are using alcohol or cannabis to assuage their fears or to entertain themselves. Even some celebrities are doing live Instagram stories while high, say stupid career ending things, then when the video goes viral, they delete it and say the video they filmed and posted themself was seen "out of context!" ( ie:Vanessa Hudgeons...) 

    I don't understand why people lend credence to celebrities.frown  They are people often with too much money obtained too quickly without really any real-world technical or academic skill or expertise, and often know far less than they claim to.  But some of them have big mouths and loads of gaul.  And can get the world's idiots to hang on their every word.  sigh! sad  They ought to go into politics.  Oh..., waitsurprise ... some of them do. crying

    But several celebrities do a lot of good with their money and influence! Oprah Winfrey, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, and many on Twitter who I'm just now discovering how bright and informed they are (but then there's always the opposite too.) Celebrities are just people. Some are really smart and well read, others not so much. Some have a lot of free time between projects or even time on the set in their trailers or dressing rooms and can use that time to learn or just play video games or get high, Following them on Twitter is a great way to find out who the bright ones are vs the idiots.
     

    Also, the better actors really research their roles, the time periods of the film, various professions, history, technology, and learn a LOT more about various subjects in the process than the average person. I've also been to many Q&As where I discover that many are really bright! They may be light and make jokes on televised interviews but they are usually more sincere and down to earth in industry Q&As. Even just the process of playing different characters with different emotional issues can help them understand humanity from a perspective most people would never experience. They may experience first hand what it's like to be a slave, a slave owner, a rapist, a rape victim, a murderer, a victim, a ruthless attorney, a homeless person. This all has an effect on a person and actually gives them more insight into the world. Vanessa Hudgeons, on the other hand, just played a popular high school girl...

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979

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    Wonderland said:
    Taoz said:
    Wonderland said:
    Ivy said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:
     

    How do you keep your bread from getting moldy?  Every time I bake bread, it barely lasts 3 or 4 days before it's got green spots all over it.  I would consider it a huge win if I could get my baked bread to last 7 days outside of the fridge.

    My guess is your not eating iyour bread fast enough. So if you make more than you can eat you should wrap it good with plastic wrap and freeze it. or refrigerate it .  But its also pretty well know that you add 2 table spoons of Honey to your bread recipes to extend homemade bread freshness and keep it from molding ..... But don't take my word for it . Look it up, you seem to not believe anything else i wrote wink

    Back in the days of Salem witch trials a mold called Ergot grew on rye bread that caused psychedelic effects for the residents and the cows and is a derivative of LSD. Other mold is a precursor to penicillin. Bread creates interesting molds! 

    Ergot is not a bread mold but a fungus that attacks rye grains in the field (the black ones in the picture).  They still have to clean the rye from it in periods where it occurs, as it is very poisonous, it can cause gangrene, brain damage and all kinds of creepy stuff.  A lot of people died from eating bread made from ergot polluted rye back in those days where they did not know what it was.  I found some in some whole rye grains I bought a couple of years ago; though the amount didn't exceed the acceptable limit I hand cleaned it anyway.  Can also be found in wheat and other grains they say but I've never seen any despite I've hand sorted probably hundreds of kilos.


    I once was hired to do research for a film about the Salem Witch trials. At the library I found books with the actual transcripts of the trials and it was fascinating! The "witches" were actually closer to Deadheads/hippies! Several  people from neighboring towns would secretly gather at midnight and "eat of the red bread." Then they would dance by fire light, and often get naked. Almost like Woodstock! I never saw the film or know if it was actually made or if they used that part of the research. But after going through every part of all the trials' testimony, I discovered exactly who in the towns were part of these circles as they all gave each other up, and they were accused of being witches. It wasn't random at all. These people were purposely taking hallucinagetics and gathering together probably as a release from strict Puritan law, but obviously not "witches" and I bet those that sentenced them knew that but wanted to stop them, just like the government made recreational drugs illegal in the 60's, stopped all legitimate research of LSD, and arrested hippies.

    Yes, ergot can have some euphoric and hallucinatory effects, but health wise you may pay a high price for it.  Never heard about the witch stuff, and that they actually used it intentionally to get high, but humans do that all the time with whatever they can find of course.  Maybe the bad effects on your health only comes after eating it for a while, which was probably common since they ate bread everyday.  It was a real epidemic at some point actually, 40.000 people died from it in France.

    It's worrying to see all those experimental drugs made by amateurs in kitchen labs, and used by kids everywhere these days.  They have no idea what consequences they may have on their brains and physical health.  I used LSD myself for a period when I was a late teen, it was great in the beginning but after a really bad experience which took me several years to recover from I quit all drugs completely.  I had/have several friends who had bad experiences with LSD as well, and suffered from it for a long time.  LSD and similar drugs can be used therapeutically under the right circumstances (the psychiatrist Stanislav Grof have done a lot of experiments with it) but kids taking these drugs for fun a saturday night while drinking beer and doing silly things can easily end in a disaster, mentally and/or physically. 

    On the positive side that experience really woke me up and made me think about my life and become aware of what I was doing, and opened my eyes to the spirtitual side of things.  You can actually achieve the same experiences and happiness people are trying to find in drugs, from yoga, meditation and other practices in a way that doesn't damage you mentally or physically.  Contrary to drugs these practices actually improve your mental and physical health, so you get more resistant to infections for example. 

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    Wonderland said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Wonderland said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

    basically put them in a deep pot in only a bit of soil and cover them as they grow with more loose mixture, straw is good

    I have stacked old tyres one at a time and filled with pea straw

    it will fill with potatoes and you pull it apart afterwards

    here is some DIY ideas
     

    Wow, I never knew potatoes had leaves! Cool. I will take them out of the trash and plant them! 

    don't eat the leaves

    Potato is in the Nightshade family and they are deadly

    avoid potatoes with green bits  too

  • magog_a4eb71abmagog_a4eb71ab Posts: 769
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Would mixing chlorine bleach with any acid produce chlorine gas? Just wondering.......

    I don't know positively, there are many kinds of acid, and the rates of reactions will vary.  But the active word here is "acid", a solution that readily donates electrons.  Free electrons floating around in a solution of chlorine compounds tend to get captured by the chlorine atoms or their partner atoms, changing their charge and letting the chlorine atoms escape the bonds holding them to their current partner and float off as a gas into the air.  Not good for man nor beast.indecision

    I think you might be getting Lewis Acids/Bases mixed up. A Lewis Acid is generally defined as a substance that can accept non-bonding electrons while a Lewis Base donates electrons.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited March 2020
    magog_a4eb71ab said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Would mixing chlorine bleach with any acid produce chlorine gas? Just wondering.......

    I don't know positively, there are many kinds of acid, and the rates of reactions will vary.  But the active word here is "acid", a solution that readily donates electrons.  Free electrons floating around in a solution of chlorine compounds tend to get captured by the chlorine atoms or their partner atoms, changing their charge and letting the chlorine atoms escape the bonds holding them to their current partner and float off as a gas into the air.  Not good for man nor beast.indecision

    I think you might be getting Lewis Acids/Bases mixed up. A Lewis Acid is generally defined as a substance that can accept non-bonding electrons while a Lewis Base donates electrons.

    Well, at least I knew that electrons were involved.frown  Perhaps I should have started my statement with "I don't know negatively?" 

    Regardless,  My electrons come from batteries and the wall.  So, paraphrasing Dr. McCoy, "Captain, I'm an engineer, not a chemist."  

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,565

    Will the Easter Bunny still come?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    Will the Easter Bunny still come?

    depends how hungry people get

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited March 2020
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Wonderland said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Wonderland said:
    Bendinggrass said:
    kyoto kid said:

     

     

    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    ....sadly everyone else in the city. centre are thinking the same thing.  Shelves everywhere are pretty much empty of paper goods (TP and Towels) . Today I went to the Safeway (new weekly sales begin every Wednesday) to get some super lean ground beef for my past sauce that i saw was on sale for 2.99$/#. When I got there the entire fresh butcher counter was empty and only a few very expensive pre-packed quantities were in the cooler.  Nixed that as not going to pay 8$ - 9$/#.  Also. apparently there as a run on red potatoes for some reason (was looking to get some to have with the fish I prepare every Friday).  Don't really want to get on one of those "rolling Petri dishes" that is a city bus to try and find what I need. 

    Red potatoes.... !?!?!?!?

    please......... white potatoes all the way.......... oh, I'll definitely be growing my own potatoes this summer.

    How do you grow potatoes? Some potatoes I had started to grow roots and I was about to throw them out. I have a 12 inch pot with dirt on my balcony. Can I just put some in there or do you need an actual garden? 

    basically put them in a deep pot in only a bit of soil and cover them as they grow with more loose mixture, straw is good

    I have stacked old tyres one at a time and filled with pea straw

    it will fill with potatoes and you pull it apart afterwards

    here is some DIY ideas
     

    Wow, I never knew potatoes had leaves! Cool. I will take them out of the trash and plant them! 

    don't eat the leaves

    Potato is in the Nightshade family and they are deadly

    avoid potatoes with green bits  too

    did you know that Potato and tomato are both from the nightshade family   and you can actually graft a tomato plant onto a potato plant and have a plant that grows 2 different types of food.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24281192

     

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,944

    No, and I am not sure I wanted to know that, either.. ;-)

     

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,056
    edited March 2020

    This is actually happening. Unbelievable! 

     

     

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  • billyben_0077a25354billyben_0077a25354 Posts: 771
    edited March 2020

    This is just all kinds of wrong blush

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  • lorraineopualorraineopua Posts: 646
    Greymom said:

    Social distancing is not a problem for me.  I have bagpipes and an inflatable T-Rex costume, and I am not afraid to use them!

    Um...my sons request that I NOT test-fire the bagpipes...no appreciation for classical music.

     

    Please test-fire them, I love the bagpipes! And record it so I can have a listen.

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