How are you greeting the end of the world?

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  • duckbombduckbomb Posts: 585

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    There's also no denying that in this media-driven world, combined with the politicized nature of this whole thing, there's a fine line to walk.  No one leader will want to be seen as the guy who lifted regulations too early and kicked off the second surge, but that same guy won't also want to be the guy who waited too long and unnecessarily caused more prolonged damage to our economy.

    Honestly, I'm glad I'm not those guys.

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    Restrictions lifted or not either way people will die. However difference with restriction is it will still continue longer. Also however restrictions are probably not working because there are people who are still outside e.g. law enforcement, essential service providers etc.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2020
    scorpio said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...that is true in most cases and those are usually the small variety (corgi about the largest.  On the other hand large dogs kept in very cramped quarters in a densely packed urban setting is not a good mix. 

    From the day-to-day stories I've heard coming to my ear from the vet's office, a large percentage of dog owners should have stuck with pet rocks. 

    ...I totally agree. This particular one seems to be rather irresponsible with the way they just leave the poor thing alone for hours on end.  I suggested to look into finding a dog sitter who can care for it and keep it company when they know they'll be gone for a good part of the day or evening but apparently it fell on deaf ears.

    Most often it's a severe lack of training on the owner's part. My husband and I work from home, so our dog is generally not left alone, but we could leave the house for several hours at a time and our Olde English Bulldogge wouldn't make a peep unless someone were to come in the house who wasn't supposed to. The same could be said of our Pomeranian before he passed. The first step is crate training. A crate is a very useful tool for a dog owner, as the dog will know when it's time for bed, time to calm down, and time to be quiet. Our Pom was a loudmouth (to put it mildly), but when he was told to go to bed, that was it. I wish more dog owners would realize that a crate isn't a cruel or a bad thing when used properly...it's a tool and a secure place for a dog to make his bed and be comfortable when he can't run the house. It should always be one of the first things to work in, right along with potty training. I've noticed there seems to be a correlation between crazy and wild dogs and not being crate trained...probably because that's an easy indicator as to if the owner has done their due diligence on raising the dog.

    I don't have any children (not counting fur-babies, lol), but I'd imagine raising a dog is like that...if you let them walk all over you, they sure will. Personally, I'm a cat person anyways...and those guys absolutely can and do walk all over me, haha. 

    My dog barkes and howls when he is left alone, he is better than when we first got him, he's a rescue dog and had a really rough start, crate training was not an option as it just sent him into a frenzy of panic, I have tried every thing but his anxiety he difficult to control, as I said it is better, but the chances are he will alway suffer - according to actually trained experts  I've consulted, I do not consider myself an irresponsible owner and so your comments come across very judgmental and do not consider all and many circumstances.

    If your dog is an adult, you've inherited someone else's irresponsibility. Training has to start as a puppy, so no my comment was not passing judgement on you. 

    I'm all for rescues, but they come with their own risks. Many times there is a reason the dog is a rescue, and you might end up with someone else's problem. By the time a dog is an adult and has a severe case of separation anxiety, crate training may no longer be possible. My mom regularly works with rescues and tries to give them new cuts at life. She had one that was quite obviously a bait dog in a past life. A great dog in some ways, but scary as hell in others. She could not be crate trained, had massive amounts of separation anxiety, would randomly go after people in hats and sunglasses or hoodies (even "her" people if they couldn't be readily identified due to said sunglasses or hats), and just all around couldn't be trusted. She loved my mother to death, though and was a wonderful running buddy for her. But despite working with her for two years, no amount of re-training could completely undo what had been done to the dog early in life. So that's what I was getting at above. To be honest, I don't know that I would ever own a rescue dog myself. Cats, yes...all of my cats are rescues. But dogs...I don't think so. They just need so much structure, and if you aren't the one providing that structure early in life, you never know what you're going to end up with. 

    All that being said...I unfortunately see a massive uptick in dogs being dumped in the future. With all the people and kids stuck home, many new puppies have also been introduced into homes that currently offer 24/7 attention. Once that changes and people start going back to work and/or school, those puppies will turn into dogs with separation anxiety...and thus the cycle continues. 

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,783
    Galaxy said:

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    Restrictions lifted or not either way people will die. However difference with restriction is it will still continue longer. Also however restrictions are probably not working because there are people who are still outside e.g. law enforcement, essential service providers etc.

    Agreed, I had some EMS guys come into the store the other day and they were the only ones in view with no masks on. I grabbed a few masks and walked over and politely asked them to put them on, if nothing else for show to show customers and employees how important it is and they were reluctant, but happy to help (even though I souldn't have had to ask!)

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,256
    Galaxy said:

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    Restrictions lifted or not either way people will die. However difference with restriction is it will still continue longer. Also however restrictions are probably not working because there are people who are still outside e.g. law enforcement, essential service providers etc.

    Agreed, I had some EMS guys come into the store the other day and they were the only ones in view with no masks on. I grabbed a few masks and walked over and politely asked them to put them on, if nothing else for show to show customers and employees how important it is and they were reluctant, but happy to help (even though I souldn't have had to ask!)

    yes

    A friend and I went grocery shopping the other day.  He of course thinks this all overblown.  So we are walking up to the door.  I have my mask on, he doesn't have one.  The guard wouldn't let him in without one.  Luckily Jeff had a back pocket hanky that he just has back there for show I guess.  So I whipped it out of his back pocket, fashioned a mask with it and tied it around his face.  He was no amused but we got to go shopping.  He didn't last long in the store though, he just hated it so much.  I reminded him that this may be an ongoing requirement so he best make it OK or he's going to have to learn to shop on line and pay the extra for tips and delivery fees.  Again, he was NOT amused!  

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562
    Galaxy said:

    I grabbed a few masks and walked over and politely asked them to put them on, if nothing else for show to show customers and employees how important it is and they were reluctant, b happy to help (even though I souldn't have had to ask!)

    Also there are people who are using mask but when not talking, at the time of talking the mask is lowered.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2020
    Galaxy said:

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    Restrictions lifted or not either way people will die. However difference with restriction is it will still continue longer. Also however restrictions are probably not working because there are people who are still outside e.g. law enforcement, essential service providers etc.

    Agreed, I had some EMS guys come into the store the other day and they were the only ones in view with no masks on. I grabbed a few masks and walked over and politely asked them to put them on, if nothing else for show to show customers and employees how important it is and they were reluctant, but happy to help (even though I souldn't have had to ask!)

    Unfortunately, there are also people in the medical field who are out there protesting and whatnot. My cousin is a paramedic and I love him to death, he's like a brother to me, but politcally he fits into a certain "category" (and I have a feeling you know what I mean)...you'd think being in the medical field he wouldn't let his political feelings influence what first responders are actually seeing with this thing, but perhaps it's because he's in South Carolina and he's not in a hot zone area. Maybe he'd be singing a different tune if he were in say, New York...or back home here in Connecticut. 

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,783

    yeah,. I have some friends and relatives that are part of the stupid group also. I should print up some merch to sell on line, like shirts that say 'keep your germs to yourself, wear a mask!" LOL

    On a serious note, my best friend was just tested positive and is sick at home in quarantine. Sucks because I want to help her, but can't. My GF was out shopping with her before she got sick, so we are keeping our distance as well for now. For me the scary part of this is that you can have it and not show symptoms, so basically everyone is suspect.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2020

    yeah,. I have some friends and relatives that are part of the stupid group also. I should print up some merch to sell on line, like shirts that say 'keep your germs to yourself, wear a mask!" LOL

    On a serious note, my best friend was just tested positive and is sick at home in quarantine. Sucks because I want to help her, but can't. My GF was out shopping with her before she got sick, so we are keeping our distance as well for now. For me the scary part of this is that you can have it and not show symptoms, so basically everyone is suspect.

    Yeah, we're in self quarantine too. My dad works at a warehouse that supplies HVAC for manufacturers and hospitals, so they've been open and one of their drivers just came up positive. He was asymptomatic the last time my dad saw him, but that means nothing. So they shut the place down and my dad is home now until they can get the place sanitzed, etc. Which also means that my mom has to be home. And because they live upstairs and we see them every day (they use my washer/dryer that is in the kitchen) we are also in quarantine playing the wait n' sweat game. We work from home anyways, but I'm still going to be nervous as hell for two weeks. Well, now down to 12 days. With both of my parents still working, it was only a matter of time. And I'm sure it will happen again before this is over. 

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2020

    Oh, and I feel proud of myself...we just spent time outside washing my car, haha. We took it for a quick spin as my poor baby hasn't been started in over two months (she started right up without hesitation, yay!)(she's a verging on heavily modified '06 Mustang GT 'vert with abnoxious af exhaust, btw) and we were quite disturbed at what we saw. A local very popular deli that had been closed is now open and you could see through the open door how people were packed inside like sardines...not wearing masks. BAD. Then through the large, wooded park and people all over the place, most groups staying away from each other, but the included dog park was crawling with people all together. No masks. BAD. Seriously are people that stupid? We're in Central Connecticut. This thing is here. And we're at our peak. WHY, PEOPLE....OMG. I get it, it's gorgeous out today but STAY THE F AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. 

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  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited April 2020

    Facing this tension, I take refugee in numbers (always thruthfully to the motto: Don't trust any statistics that weren't forged by yourself truly cheeky)

    As long as there's not a worlwide immunity improvement going on, one's country can keep infection rates down, or even "beat the virus" by starving it, but it's going to come back from the rest of the world with a vengeance. Spanish Flu had three waves, with the second and third being much more nasty than the first one. We are currently in the first one. What are we going to do when the second and third wave comes rolling?

    So, back to numbers, and people saying that it's just like a bad flu season , death number wise... This article was very interesting: It states that for the entire flu season 2018, 80.000 people died in the US of A. But it also says: In recent years, flu-related deaths (in the US) have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    And a much better comparision: On average, in the last flu season, 161 people died un the flu per day. On average, since the first day of a corona death, 700 people per day have died of Covid in the USA. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

    And some more numbers... something to put the high US numbers into perspective: Going by population, you need to add together the countries of France, Spain, Italy, UK and Germany to roughly match the number of US citizens. As it is, these european countries have a much denser population grid than the US, and also, more testing is done in comparision to the USA. Never underestimate a virus.

      US of A

    France, Spain,Italy,
    UK, Germany combined

    Confirmed 924.576 882.725

    daily Newly infected
    (averaged over 7 days)

    29.379 15.813
    Deaths 52.782 97.567
    Total number of tests,
    per 1.000.000 population
    12.129 17,938

    (numbers through: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

    Slinking off into obscurity again...

    EDIT: Changed total number of tests. Thanks to @mrinal for pointing this out.yesheart

    Total numbers for April 19
    USA 3.866.147
    combined states States 5.327.561

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,256

    crying

  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2020

    Unfortunately, there are also people in the medical field who are out there protesting and whatnot. My cousin is a paramedic and I love him to death, he's like a brother to me, but politcally he fits into a certain "category" (and I have a feeling you know what I mean)...you'd think being in the medical field he wouldn't let his political feelings influence what first responders are actually seeing with this thing, but perhaps it's because he's in South Carolina and he's not in a hot zone area. Maybe he'd be singing a different tune if he were in say, New York...or back home here in Connecticut. 

     

    I don't see the logic implying a "political category" is a means to interject the blame falls on only one side. I do know a lot of protests are a reaction of how we are constantly being lectured to. There are some prominent politicians and well known personalities in the media who have tested positive but they have not quarantined themselves. You can't dictate public policy if you consider yourself too self important to follow your own advice. The beaches in California, of all places, are filling up because people want to go out and while that may be foolish, I'm not going to buy the argument it's because of a "political category."

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2020
    mwokee said:

    Unfortunately, there are also people in the medical field who are out there protesting and whatnot. My cousin is a paramedic and I love him to death, he's like a brother to me, but politcally he fits into a certain "category" (and I have a feeling you know what I mean)...you'd think being in the medical field he wouldn't let his political feelings influence what first responders are actually seeing with this thing, but perhaps it's because he's in South Carolina and he's not in a hot zone area. Maybe he'd be singing a different tune if he were in say, New York...or back home here in Connecticut. 

     

    I don't see the logic implying a "political category" is a means to interject the blame falls on only one side. I do know a lot of protests are a reaction of how we are constantly being lectured to. There are some prominent politicians and well known personalities in the media who have tested positive but they have not quarantined themselves. You can't dictate public policy if you consider yourself too self important to follow your own advice. The beaches in California, of all places, are filling up because people want to go out and while that may be foolish, I'm not going to buy the argument it's because of a "political category."

    Well, I know for a fact that my cousin is letting his political beliefs dictate his reactions and response to the pandemic and the entire concept of social distancing (though I'm sure it doesn't effect how he treats his patients). But we aren't supposed to talk about politics, so that's the most I'll get into it. 

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,067

    Oh, and I feel proud of myself...we just spent time outside washing my car, haha. We took it for a quick spin as my poor baby hasn't been started in over two months (she started right up without hesitation, yay!)(she's a verging on heavily modified '06 Mustang GT 'vert with abnoxious af exhaust, btw) and we were quite disturbed at what we saw. A local very popular deli that had been closed is now open and you could see through the open door how people were packed inside like sardines...not wearing masks. BAD. Then through the large, wooded park and people all over the place, most groups staying away from each other, but the included dog park was crawling with people all together. No masks. BAD. Seriously are people that stupid? We're in Central Connecticut. This thing is here. And we're at our peak. WHY, PEOPLE....OMG. I get it, it's gorgeous out today but STAY THE F AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. 

    NYS has made masks in public a requirement, but I still see people everywhere without masks or gloves... getting gas the other day, I saw two dudes gassing up their tuners go over and give each other "bro hugs"... you see some people, you just gotta wonder what the hell is going on in their heads.

    Probably not much... the little bear in there fell off his unicycle long ago and now it's just the out of tune circus music playing to his lifeless form laying there in the empty darkness.

    That sounds sad...  now I feel bad for that metaphorical bear.

    I have a not so sneaking suspicion I know why a lot of people are not taking this seriously, but that's an opinion best kept to myself.

    Some days I kinda feel like we are living in the backstory to The Walking Dead or 28 Days Later.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    McGyver said:

    Oh, and I feel proud of myself...we just spent time outside washing my car, haha. We took it for a quick spin as my poor baby hasn't been started in over two months (she started right up without hesitation, yay!)(she's a verging on heavily modified '06 Mustang GT 'vert with abnoxious af exhaust, btw) and we were quite disturbed at what we saw. A local very popular deli that had been closed is now open and you could see through the open door how people were packed inside like sardines...not wearing masks. BAD. Then through the large, wooded park and people all over the place, most groups staying away from each other, but the included dog park was crawling with people all together. No masks. BAD. Seriously are people that stupid? We're in Central Connecticut. This thing is here. And we're at our peak. WHY, PEOPLE....OMG. I get it, it's gorgeous out today but STAY THE F AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. 

    NYS has made masks in public a requirement, but I still see people everywhere without masks or gloves... getting gas the other day, I saw two dudes gassing up their tuners go over and give each other "bro hugs"... you see some people, you just gotta wonder what the hell is going on in their heads.

    Probably not much... the little bear in there fell off his unicycle long ago and now it's just the out of tune circus music playing to his lifeless form laying there in the empty darkness.

    That sounds sad...  now I feel bad for that metaphorical bear.

    I have a not so sneaking suspicion I know why a lot of people are not taking this seriously, but that's an opinion best kept to myself.

    Some days I kinda feel like we are living in the backstory to The Walking Dead or 28 Days Later.

    Yeah, the CT gov pretty much follows what the NY gov does and we have the same mask order...stores are even called out as a MUST DO place but I didn't see any masks when we drove by. *sigh* 

    And it seriously is like some crazy dystopian/apocalyptic movie stuff going on here...at least in the tri-state metro area. 

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,844

    Seriously are people that stupid? 

    Oh yes, they are... 

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    Leana said:

    Seriously are people that stupid? 

    Oh yes, they are... 

    The older one gets, the more one realizes this.

    Again...  Wizard's first rule.  "People are stupid.  They will believe anything they want to believe, or are afraid might be true."   All the best wizards, politicians, & other social manipulators know this.  But knowing this is also your defense against it as well as your key to using it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    An article today about the results of San Francisco during the Spanish Flu 100 years ago.  They lifted the restrictions too early and the numbers tell an interesting story.  Ignoring history is unwise.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/san-francisco-had-1918-flu-under-control-then-it-lifted-n1191141

    ...a similar situation occurred in Philadelphia where they even had a parade celebrating what was believed to be the end of the virus which had a high attendance, In the days afterwards, cases began to rise again and peaked even higher in 1919 than the first wave.

    I have a brother (who became a heavy smoker when he was in 'Nam in the early 70s) now living in Georgia with his family and I'm fairly worried right now. 

  • Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,256

    I just sent off for all the stuff to make my own masks.  I'm so undone by the quality of the ones I've spent good money on.  Being a hairdresser I may get to go back to work next month but there may still be a rule to wear masks so I best get it together and make a couple I'll enjoy and that will fit my face properly!  I have most of the makings here and I have a sewing machine but not the right material nor the hepa filter cloth, which I found on Amazon but Amazon wouldnt' ship to my area so I got a tip from the pages owner and he told me to Google his company and I did, found it, bought it, he sent me a thank you and shipped it within an hour.  Now that's service!  :-) 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    ...what gets me are a number of the businesses that are being allowed to reopen are ones where the is no way to maintain social distancing and touching the customer is part of the job.

    I also question the "necessity" of some of these services.

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453
    McGyver said:

    NYS has made masks in public a requirement, but I still see people everywhere without masks or gloves... getting gas the other day, I saw two dudes gassing up their tuners go over and give each other "bro hugs"... you see some people, you just gotta wonder what the hell is going on in their heads.

    Probably not much... the little bear in there fell off his unicycle long ago and now it's just the out of tune circus music playing to his lifeless form laying there in the empty darkness.

    That sounds sad...  now I feel bad for that metaphorical bear.

    I have a not so sneaking suspicion I know why a lot of people are not taking this seriously, but that's an opinion best kept to myself.

    Some days I kinda feel like we are living in the backstory to The Walking Dead or 28 Days Later.

    Earlier today, I was watching a slow speed chase through L.A. Some bozo was leading an army of cops along for a ride. They had already put out the spike strips and punctured all 4 of his tires. Two of them fell off and he was driving on the rims. On the rims! For over an hour! At one point, he was holding something out the window. The guy in the chopper said it looked like a book. He was waving it around. Personally, I think it was a copy of "The Stand" by Stephen King. That's the novel we are living through right now, but in slow motion...

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Joke:

    This virus increased confidence level of the society. People are trying impossible things. Social distancing is one of them. 

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,844
    edited April 2020

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

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  • Sensual ArtSensual Art Posts: 645
    BeeMKay said:

    Facing this tension, I take refugee in numbers (always thruthfully to the motto: Don't trust any statistics that weren't forged by yourself truly cheeky)

    As long as there's not a worlwide immunity improvement going on, one's country can keep infection rates down, or even "beat the virus" by starving it, but it's going to come back from the rest of the world with a vengeance. Spanish Flu had three waves, with the second and third being much more nasty than the first one. We are currently in the first one. What are we going to do when the second and third wave comes rolling?

    So, back to numbers, and people saying that it's just like a bad flu season , death number wise... This article was very interesting: It states that for the entire flu season 2018, 80.000 people died in the US of A. But it also says: In recent years, flu-related deaths (in the US) have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    And a much better comparision: On average, in the last flu season, 161 people died un the flu per day. On average, since the first day of a corona death, 700 people per day have died of Covid in the USA. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

    And some more numbers... something to put the high US numbers into perspective: Going by population, you need to add together the countries of France, Spain, Italy, UK and Germany to roughly match the number of US citizens. As it is, these european countries have a much denser population grid than the US, and also, more testing is done in comparision to the USA. Never underestimate a virus.

      US of A

    France, Spain,Italy,
    UK, Germany combined

    Confirmed 924.576 882.725

    daily Newly infected
    (averaged over 7 days)

    29.379 15.813
    Deaths 52.782 97.567
    Total number of tests,
    per 1.000.000 population
    12.129 87.917

    (numbers through: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

    Slinking off into obscurity again...

    That number should have been a weighted average, not a sum of all 5 countries. Also if you are a fan of statistics, you may want to compute the number of positive cases per 1000 or so tests. That should explain why certain govts are not so aggressive in terms of testing ... yet.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    2 months later still ali

    Leana said:

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

    Bawha ha ha ha ... good one

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    mrinal said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Facing this tension, I take refugee in numbers (always thruthfully to the motto: Don't trust any statistics that weren't forged by yourself truly cheeky)

    As long as there's not a worlwide immunity improvement going on, one's country can keep infection rates down, or even "beat the virus" by starving it, but it's going to come back from the rest of the world with a vengeance. Spanish Flu had three waves, with the second and third being much more nasty than the first one. We are currently in the first one. What are we going to do when the second and third wave comes rolling?

    So, back to numbers, and people saying that it's just like a bad flu season , death number wise... This article was very interesting: It states that for the entire flu season 2018, 80.000 people died in the US of A. But it also says: In recent years, flu-related deaths (in the US) have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    And a much better comparision: On average, in the last flu season, 161 people died un the flu per day. On average, since the first day of a corona death, 700 people per day have died of Covid in the USA. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

    And some more numbers... something to put the high US numbers into perspective: Going by population, you need to add together the countries of France, Spain, Italy, UK and Germany to roughly match the number of US citizens. As it is, these european countries have a much denser population grid than the US, and also, more testing is done in comparision to the USA. Never underestimate a virus.

      US of A

    France, Spain,Italy,
    UK, Germany combined

    Confirmed 924.576 882.725

    daily Newly infected
    (averaged over 7 days)

    29.379 15.813
    Deaths 52.782 97.567
    Total number of tests,
    per 1.000.000 population
    12.129 87.917

    (numbers through: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

    Slinking off into obscurity again...

    That number should have been a weighted average, not a sum of all 5 countries. Also if you are a fan of statistics, you may want to compute the number of positive cases per 1000 or so tests. That should explain why certain govts are not so aggressive in terms of testing ... yet.

    Thanks for the feedback. The original numbers I added up were already calculated from the total number of tests to tests per million. I don't see what would make a test from country A more valuable than a test from country B in that case so i'd give one number more weight than the other and create a weighted average. But then, my maths skills are limited to DAZ Store maths, and the higher stuff eludes me. Feel free to help out with a number you think is more appropriate. :-)

     

  • AsariAsari Posts: 703
    Leana said:

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

    Fabulous!
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