How are you greeting the end of the world?

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,256

    I shared this one to my wall on Facebook!  IT's SO TRUE!  

  • Sensual ArtSensual Art Posts: 645
    edited April 2020
    BeeMKay said:
    mrinal said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Facing this tension, I take refugee in numbers (always thruthfully to the motto: Don't trust any statistics that weren't forged by yourself truly cheeky)

    As long as there's not a worlwide immunity improvement going on, one's country can keep infection rates down, or even "beat the virus" by starving it, but it's going to come back from the rest of the world with a vengeance. Spanish Flu had three waves, with the second and third being much more nasty than the first one. We are currently in the first one. What are we going to do when the second and third wave comes rolling?

    So, back to numbers, and people saying that it's just like a bad flu season , death number wise... This article was very interesting: It states that for the entire flu season 2018, 80.000 people died in the US of A. But it also says: In recent years, flu-related deaths (in the US) have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    And a much better comparision: On average, in the last flu season, 161 people died un the flu per day. On average, since the first day of a corona death, 700 people per day have died of Covid in the USA. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

    And some more numbers... something to put the high US numbers into perspective: Going by population, you need to add together the countries of France, Spain, Italy, UK and Germany to roughly match the number of US citizens. As it is, these european countries have a much denser population grid than the US, and also, more testing is done in comparision to the USA. Never underestimate a virus.

      US of A

    France, Spain,Italy,
    UK, Germany combined

    Confirmed 924.576 882.725

    daily Newly infected
    (averaged over 7 days)

    29.379 15.813
    Deaths 52.782 97.567
    Total number of tests,
    per 1.000.000 population
    12.129 87.917

    (numbers through: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

    Slinking off into obscurity again...

    That number should have been a weighted average, not a sum of all 5 countries. Also if you are a fan of statistics, you may want to compute the number of positive cases per 1000 or so tests. That should explain why certain govts are not so aggressive in terms of testing ... yet.

    Thanks for the feedback. The original numbers I added up were already calculated from the total number of tests to tests per million. I don't see what would make a test from country A more valuable than a test from country B in that case so i'd give one number more weight than the other and create a weighted average. But then, my maths skills are limited to DAZ Store maths, and the higher stuff eludes me. Feel free to help out with a number you think is more appropriate. :-)

    If I look at yesterday's stats from worldometers.info, that 87k number roughly represents the sum of averages of the listed 5 countries. So that 87k tests is approx per 5 million population. When I said weighted I am not looking at the "valuation" of tests per country, but I am considering the total population of each country compared to the other 4. Also, it would be incorrect to simply calculate the simple average of the average results of each country. A simple average would work fine if all those 5 countries had the same population which is not the case. Let me illustrate the weights:

    WoFrance = PopFrance / (PopFrance + PopSpain + PopItaly + PopUK + PopGermany)
    WoFrance = 65,273,511 / (65,273,511 + 46,754,778 + 60,461,826 + 67,886,011 + 83,783,942) = 0.20 (approx) (Source:https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/)
    Similarly, WoSpain = 0.144, WoItaly = 0.186, WoUK = 0.21, WoGer = 0.258

    where WoFrance would be the prorated weight for France which would get multiplied by its average test per million before calculating the overall average. Similarly, the final results would look something like:

    AvgFrance*WoFrance + AvgSpain*WoSpain + AvgItaly*WoItaly + AvgUK*WoUK + AvgGer*WoGer {where AvgFrance is the Tests per 1M population for France and likewise. Very few countries like Iceland and UAE have more than 87k test per 1 M population.}
    = 7,103*0.20 + 19,896*0.144 + 28,245*0.186 + 9,439*0.21 + 24,738*0.258 = 17903.788 (approx) average tests per million population for these 5 countries considered together.

    If all that is too much headache, simply add the total number of tests for these 5 countries and divide by the total population of them all. Actual accurate result = 17,938.96 Incidentally yours, 87917 / 5 = 17583.4 is close but less accurate due to the simple average (and ignoring different source for the numbers).

    Also, since you mentioned, this has bearing on Daz store maths where part of the monthly PC coupons gets lost for free items in cart. PC Coupon discounts per item are prorated on the "original" price of the item and not on the "discounted" cart price, which causes this anomaly. But thats for another day :)

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    RAMWolff said:
    Mystiarra said:
    Ivy said:
    RAMWolff said:

    Of course I had to giggle about Ivy's post, just a little bit.  Heath bars VS Health bars.  Ya know!  One will rot your teeth, just saying!  cheeky

     

    Recipe looks devine though!  YUM 

    Thanks Ram:)  But It won't rot your teeth if you brush them. :)

    only floss the teeth you want to keep

    HAHAHAHAHA  OMG!  cheeky

     

    is what my hygenist says. lol

    my last visit she gave me like a pack of matchstix cardboards. said is better than string.

  • billyben_0077a25354billyben_0077a25354 Posts: 771
    edited April 2020
    kyoto kid said:

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

    Galveston and Houston.  Close to 90% of the entire countrys refining capacity is on the Texas and Louisana coast.  Lots of refineries between Houston and Bay Town too.  Houston ship channel brings in a lot of international shipping including Volkswagen.  When you go over either the 610 loop bridge or the Beltway 8 toll bridge on the east side of Houston and look East all you see for miles are refineries and industrial buildings  There is a major Pertochemical tank car yard and shipping/receiving facility in Texas City on the west side of Galveston bay just north of Galveston.  The Port of Galveston has major shipping including shipping and receiving grain and other comodities and both the BNSF and UP have major rail facilities all over Houston, Galveston, Baytown and surounding area.  And to top it off, the Johnson Space Center is located in Shouteast Houston just northeast of Webster. 

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

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  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    mrinal said:
    BeeMKay said:
    mrinal said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Facing this tension, I take refugee in numbers (always thruthfully to the motto: Don't trust any statistics that weren't forged by yourself truly cheeky)

    As long as there's not a worlwide immunity improvement going on, one's country can keep infection rates down, or even "beat the virus" by starving it, but it's going to come back from the rest of the world with a vengeance. Spanish Flu had three waves, with the second and third being much more nasty than the first one. We are currently in the first one. What are we going to do when the second and third wave comes rolling?

    So, back to numbers, and people saying that it's just like a bad flu season , death number wise... This article was very interesting: It states that for the entire flu season 2018, 80.000 people died in the US of A. But it also says: In recent years, flu-related deaths (in the US) have ranged from about 12,000 to — in the worst year — 56,000, according to the CDC.

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    And a much better comparision: On average, in the last flu season, 161 people died un the flu per day. On average, since the first day of a corona death, 700 people per day have died of Covid in the USA. (Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

    And some more numbers... something to put the high US numbers into perspective: Going by population, you need to add together the countries of France, Spain, Italy, UK and Germany to roughly match the number of US citizens. As it is, these european countries have a much denser population grid than the US, and also, more testing is done in comparision to the USA. Never underestimate a virus.

      US of A

    France, Spain,Italy,
    UK, Germany combined

    Confirmed 924.576 882.725

    daily Newly infected
    (averaged over 7 days)

    29.379 15.813
    Deaths 52.782 97.567
    Total number of tests,
    per 1.000.000 population
    12.129 87.917

    (numbers through: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

    Slinking off into obscurity again...

    That number should have been a weighted average, not a sum of all 5 countries. Also if you are a fan of statistics, you may want to compute the number of positive cases per 1000 or so tests. That should explain why certain govts are not so aggressive in terms of testing ... yet.

    Thanks for the feedback. The original numbers I added up were already calculated from the total number of tests to tests per million. I don't see what would make a test from country A more valuable than a test from country B in that case so i'd give one number more weight than the other and create a weighted average. But then, my maths skills are limited to DAZ Store maths, and the higher stuff eludes me. Feel free to help out with a number you think is more appropriate. :-)

    If I look at yesterday's stats from worldometers.info, that 87k number roughly represents the sum of averages of the listed 5 countries. So that 87k tests is approx per 5 million population. When I said weighted I am not looking at the "valuation" of tests per country, but I am considering the total population of each country compared to the other 4. Also, it would be incorrect to simply calculate the simple average of the average results of each country. A simple average would work fine if all those 5 countries had the same population which is not the case. Let me illustrate the weights:

    WoFrance = PopFrance / (PopFrance + PopSpain + PopItaly + PopUK + PopGermany)
    WoFrance = 65,273,511 / (65,273,511 + 46,754,778 + 60,461,826 + 67,886,011 + 83,783,942) = 0.20 (approx) (Source:https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/)
    Similarly, WoSpain = 0.144, WoItaly = 0.186, WoUK = 0.21, WoGer = 0.258

    where WoFrance would be the prorated weight for France which would get multiplied by its average test per million before calculating the overall average. Similarly, the final results would look something like:

    AvgFrance*WoFrance + AvgSpain*WoSpain + AvgItaly*WoItaly + AvgUK*WoUK + AvgGer*WoGer {where AvgFrance is the Tests per 1M population for France and likewise. Very few countries like Iceland and UAE have more than 87k test per 1 M population.}
    = 7,103*0.20 + 19,896*0.144 + 28,245*0.186 + 9,439*0.21 + 24,738*0.258 = 17903.788 (approx) average tests per million population for these 5 countries considered together.

    If all that is too much headache, simply add the total number of tests for these 5 countries and divide by the total population of them all. Actual accurate result = 17,938.96 Incidentally yours, 87917 / 5 = 17583.4 is close but less accurate due to the simple average (and ignoring different source for the numbers).

    Also, since you mentioned, this has bearing on Daz store maths where part of the monthly PC coupons gets lost for free items in cart. PC Coupon discounts per item are prorated on the "original" price of the item and not on the discounted cart price, which causes this anomaly. But thats for another day :)

    Ah I see! Something new learned, so thank you for taking the time to explain this. heart

    So you can compare the numbers as long as its one country to one country, but not in combination. I changed the number in my original post. And to spare myself too many headaches, I guess it's best if I simply stick with the total numbers from now on. smiley

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Leana said:

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

    ...actually had someone do that behind me at the checkout line Thursday morning. The spacing is clearly marked on the floor, yet he was midway (sometimes less) between where he should have been and where I was. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    kyoto kid said:

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

    Galveston and Houston.  Close to 90% of the entire countrys refining capacity is on the Texas and Louisana coast.  Lots of refineries between Houston and Bay Town too.  Houston ship channel brings in a lot of international shipping including Volkswagen.  When you go over either the 610 loop bridge or the Beltway 8 toll bridge on the east side of Houston and look East all you see for miles are refineries and industrial buildings  There is a major Pertochemical tank car yard and shipping/receiving facility in Texas City on the west side of Galveston bay just north of Galveston.  The Port of Galveston has major shipping including shipping and receiving grain and other comodities and both the BNSF and UP have major rail facilities all over Houston, Galveston, Baytown and surounding area.  And to top it off, the Johnson Space Center is located in Shouteast Houston just northeast of Webster. 

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    ...ugh, I'd be wearing a mask even after conditions were lifted. 

    There's a reason why locals in the LA area sometimes refer to El Sugundo "Smell Sugundo" as there is a large refinery there, as well as a major wastewater treatment plant and LAX airport. just to the north.

  • kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

    Galveston and Houston.  Close to 90% of the entire countrys refining capacity is on the Texas and Louisana coast.  Lots of refineries between Houston and Bay Town too.  Houston ship channel brings in a lot of international shipping including Volkswagen.  When you go over either the 610 loop bridge or the Beltway 8 toll bridge on the east side of Houston and look East all you see for miles are refineries and industrial buildings  There is a major Pertochemical tank car yard and shipping/receiving facility in Texas City on the west side of Galveston bay just north of Galveston.  The Port of Galveston has major shipping including shipping and receiving grain and other comodities and both the BNSF and UP have major rail facilities all over Houston, Galveston, Baytown and surounding area.  And to top it off, the Johnson Space Center is located in Shouteast Houston just northeast of Webster. 

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    ...ugh, I'd be wearing a mask even after conditions were lifted. 

    There's a reason why locals in the LA area sometimes refer to El Sugundo "Smell Sugundo" as there is a large refinery there, as well as a major wastewater treatment plant and LAX airport. just to the north.

    The smell from the refineries is just fine.  I am an old gear head and used to work in the oil patch so petrochemical smells don't bother me.  Now the stench coming from the paper plant in Pasadena Texas makes the smell coming from a sewage treatment plant in the middle fo summer smell like a rose garden.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    ..I hear you on paper mills. I lived in Stevens Point Wisconsin during the 1970s and it was either Neenah Paper to the south , Consolidated Papers and Nekoosa - PortEdwards to the southwest and west as well as Wausau Paper, Mosinee, and Domtar to the north.  Surprisingly got used to the "bouquet" after a while.

    The only "clean" wind direction we had was from due east .

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    kyoto kid said:
    Leana said:

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

    ...actually had someone do that behind me at the checkout line Thursday morning. The spacing is clearly marked on the floor, yet he was midway (sometimes less) between where he should have been and where I was. 

    I honestly don't know how I'd react to someone being in my "zone"...

    That being said, I saw someone post a mask they had...that had little penises on it...and they said that was their test. If someone asked them if they know that their mask had little penises on it, they were like "yes, and now you know you're too close because if you can see them you're obviously within six feet." I need to get one of those, lol. 

  • AsariAsari Posts: 703
    kyoto kid said:
    Leana said:

    To go with my earlier comment ;)

    ...actually had someone do that behind me at the checkout line Thursday morning. The spacing is clearly marked on the floor, yet he was midway (sometimes less) between where he should have been and where I was. 

    I honestly don't know how I'd react to someone being in my "zone"...

    That being said, I saw someone post a mask they had...that had little penises on it...and they said that was their test. If someone asked them if they know that their mask had little penises on it, they were like "yes, and now you know you're too close because if you can see them you're obviously within six feet." I need to get one of those, lol. 

    I need to paint those penises on my mask too!
  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,783

    I honestly don't know how I'd react to someone being in my "zone"...

    That being said, I saw someone post a mask they had...that had little penises on it...and they said that was their test. If someone asked them if they know that their mask had little penises on it, they were like "yes, and now you know you're too close because if you can see them you're obviously within six feet." I need to get one of those, lol. 

    LOL, don't think my boss would be to keen on that idea

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,680
    edited April 2020
    kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

    Galveston and Houston.  Close to 90% of the entire countrys refining capacity is on the Texas and Louisana coast.  Lots of refineries between Houston and Bay Town too.  Houston ship channel brings in a lot of international shipping including Volkswagen.  When you go over either the 610 loop bridge or the Beltway 8 toll bridge on the east side of Houston and look East all you see for miles are refineries and industrial buildings  There is a major Pertochemical tank car yard and shipping/receiving facility in Texas City on the west side of Galveston bay just north of Galveston.  The Port of Galveston has major shipping including shipping and receiving grain and other comodities and both the BNSF and UP have major rail facilities all over Houston, Galveston, Baytown and surounding area.  And to top it off, the Johnson Space Center is located in Shouteast Houston just northeast of Webster. 

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    ...ugh, I'd be wearing a mask even after conditions were lifted. 

    There's a reason why locals in the LA area sometimes refer to El Sugundo "Smell Sugundo" as there is a large refinery there, as well as a major wastewater treatment plant and LAX airport. just to the north.

    El Paso, Texas is another town with a noticable aroma.  I rode through El Paso on motorcycle on Interstate 10 from the northwest to the southeast, south of town is mile upon mile of cattle yards.  I grew up in the country, and am used to the smell of a deeply mucked barnyard.  I was not used to the smell of bazillions of grossly mucked barnyards.frown  The only thing I can compare it to strengthwise is central Florida north of Orlando back in the middle of the last century (1940-1984).  Mile upon mile of orange groves.  An orange smells refreshing,  a grove of oranges smells strongly orange.  bazillions of acres of orange groves as far as the eye can see and mile after mile on the road is sickening.  I mentioned 1984 specifically because there was a killer freeze that winter that killed all those orange groves.  Wiped them out.  For a year or more afterwards it was just black disintegrating naked, dead orange trees.  Mile upon mile of them as far as the eye could see.surprise  Eventually, the skeleton trees or what was left of them were cut down and the land either replanted or repurposed.  Lots of new housing developments grew there.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,680
    edited April 2020

    I honestly don't know how I'd react to someone being in my "zone"...

    That being said, I saw someone post a mask they had...that had little penises on it...and they said that was their test. If someone asked them if they know that their mask had little penises on it, they were like "yes, and now you know you're too close because if you can see them you're obviously within six feet." I need to get one of those, lol. 

    LOL, don't think my boss would be to keen on that idea

    My sister-in-law made a mask for me.  It has musical notes on it.  I wonder if she'd make me one as described above. devil

    For social distancing perhaps we should adopt the concept of the old "hoop dress".  Everybody wear a three foot radius circular hoop around their waist.enlightened

     

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  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453
    kyoto kid said:

    ..I hear you on paper mills. I lived in Stevens Point Wisconsin during the 1970s and it was either Neenah Paper to the south , Consolidated Papers and Nekoosa - PortEdwards to the southwest and west as well as Wausau Paper, Mosinee, and Domtar to the north.  Surprisingly got used to the "bouquet" after a while.

    The only "clean" wind direction we had was from due east .

    When I was a kid, we lived one month in Pascagoula Ms. One month was as long as we could hold our breath. There was a paper mill on one side of towm and a veneer mill on the other side of town. No matter which way the wind was blowing, it stank. Out here is Ca, at the south end of the Bay Area, we get this odor sometimes that sure smells like a landfill. "Odor, what odor?" the waste company says. There's also some old Cargill salt evaporation ponds that are suspected as well. What we need is a drone with a sense of smell! None of that compares to Pascagoula, tho...

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121

    El Paso, Texas is another town with a noticable aroma.  I rode through El Paso on motorcycle on Interstate 10 from the northwest to the southeast, south of town is mile upon mile of cattle yards.  I grew up in the country, and am used to the smell of a deeply mucked barnyard.  I was not used to the smell of bazillions of grossly mucked barnyards.frown  The only thing I can compare it to strengthwise is central Florida north of Orlando back in the middle of the last century (1940-1984).  Mile upon mile of orange groves.  An orange smells refreshing,  a grove of oranges smells strongly orange.  bazillions of acres of orange groves as far as the eye can see and mile after mile on the road is sickening.  I mentioned 1984 specifically because there was a killer freeze that winter that killed all those orange groves.  Wiped them out.  For a year or more afterwards it was just black disintegrating naked, dead orange trees.  Mile upon mile of them as far as the eye could see.surprise  Eventually, the skeleton trees or what was left of them were cut down and the land either replanted or repurposed.  Lots of new housing developments grew there.

    I grew up outside Orlando, and my folks had a couple of small orange groves.  I know exactly what you mean about the orange smell when they were in bloom!  It never really bothered me much, but it was a bit of a relief when the blooms dropped.  Used to be able to go up to the top of the Citrus Tower north of Orlando, and there were orange groves as far as you could see in almost any direction.  I moved out of state before the big freeze hit.  My folks had sold their groves to for housing developments long before that.  It was sad to see all the dead trees.  Now there is mostly housing developments and pine groves (for paper pulp and lumber).  The "Orange Line", the longitude above which you can't grow oranges profitably due to the frequency of hard freezes, has been moving steadily South since the turn of the century, and used to be all the way into Southern Louisiana.  Last I heard, it is somewhere below Sarasota.  This seems odd with all the concerns about global warming.  The Orange Line also has some correlation with the spread of Iquanas.  Oranges are better eating. laugh

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,783
     

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    Yeah, I am not going near any business that can't keep an employee 6ft or more from me at all times for quite awhile. I understand businesses need to start making money again to stay afloat, but I have done fine so far with them being closed and plan to keep doing so until I feel safe enough to visit them. Some of these defiant idiots that scoff at restrictions and safety concerns I have been seeing on the news and videos will never get my business again on just principle alone.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    edited April 2020
    Greymom said:

    El Paso, Texas is another town with a noticable aroma.  I rode through El Paso on motorcycle on Interstate 10 from the northwest to the southeast, south of town is mile upon mile of cattle yards.  I grew up in the country, and am used to the smell of a deeply mucked barnyard.  I was not used to the smell of bazillions of grossly mucked barnyards.frown  The only thing I can compare it to strengthwise is central Florida north of Orlando back in the middle of the last century (1940-1984).  Mile upon mile of orange groves.  An orange smells refreshing,  a grove of oranges smells strongly orange.  bazillions of acres of orange groves as far as the eye can see and mile after mile on the road is sickening.  I mentioned 1984 specifically because there was a killer freeze that winter that killed all those orange groves.  Wiped them out.  For a year or more afterwards it was just black disintegrating naked, dead orange trees.  Mile upon mile of them as far as the eye could see.surprise  Eventually, the skeleton trees or what was left of them were cut down and the land either replanted or repurposed.  Lots of new housing developments grew there.

    I grew up outside Orlando, and my folks had a couple of small orange groves.  I know exactly what you mean about the orange smell when they were in bloom!  It never really bothered me much, but it was a bit of a relief when the blooms dropped.  Used to be able to go up to the top of the Citrus Tower north of Orlando, and there were orange groves as far as you could see in almost any direction.  I moved out of state before the big freeze hit.  My folks had sold their groves to for housing developments long before that.  It was sad to see all the dead trees.  Now there is mostly housing developments and pine groves (for paper pulp and lumber).  The "Orange Line", the longitude above which you can't grow oranges profitably due to the frequency of hard freezes, has been moving steadily South since the turn of the century, and used to be all the way into Southern Louisiana.  Last I heard, it is somewhere below Sarasota.  This seems odd with all the concerns about global warming.  The Orange Line also has some correlation with the spread of Iquanas.  Oranges are better eating. laugh

    ...I really like oranges and orange juice. That would have scarred me for life. 

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  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Here people are outside home. Crowd is not as dense as non-corona period however it is more than normal crowd of any less populated countries.

  • New Zealand comes out of almost total lockdown in just under five hours and many unessential workers will be busy tonight, hunting out suits and uniforms, and finding missing lunchboxes, and desperately trying to make their overgrown hair behave before tomorrow. Our PM, Jacinda Ardern, said today that we had beaten the virus but we must all stay in our bubbles and continue physical distancing to keep it that way. I'll be going ashore on Wednesday for the first time in a month, I could happily not. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    edited April 2020
    kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:

    Here in Texas, face mask orders are county by county.  Current counties with face mask orders that I know of are Bexar County (pronounced behar, San Antonio area) Dallas County, El Paso County, Harris County (Houston), Travis County (Austin area)  I live in Galveston County and our county judge stated he will not be giving a mask order because while he believes that people should follow the current CDC guidelones to wear masks and other PPE (goloves) in public. he says it is unconstitutional to actually order everyone to do so.  Already lots of local subburb PDs in Harris county stating they will not enforce the mask order and someone has alresdy files a lawsuit in Houston for that order.  Most of the state should be open soon as most counties in Texas have less than 20 cases and most of those have no deaths.  As of today Harris County (Houston) has 5,628 cases (whichn is twice as many as any other county in the state), but Galveston county just southeast of Houston where I live only has 539 cases.

    ..aren't there a lot of refineries in Galveston? 

    Galveston and Houston.  Close to 90% of the entire countrys refining capacity is on the Texas and Louisana coast.  Lots of refineries between Houston and Bay Town too.  Houston ship channel brings in a lot of international shipping including Volkswagen.  When you go over either the 610 loop bridge or the Beltway 8 toll bridge on the east side of Houston and look East all you see for miles are refineries and industrial buildings  There is a major Pertochemical tank car yard and shipping/receiving facility in Texas City on the west side of Galveston bay just north of Galveston.  The Port of Galveston has major shipping including shipping and receiving grain and other comodities and both the BNSF and UP have major rail facilities all over Houston, Galveston, Baytown and surounding area.  And to top it off, the Johnson Space Center is located in Shouteast Houston just northeast of Webster. 

    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    ...ugh, I'd be wearing a mask even after conditions were lifted. 

    There's a reason why locals in the LA area sometimes refer to El Sugundo "Smell Sugundo" as there is a large refinery there, as well as a major wastewater treatment plant and LAX airport. just to the north.

    El Paso, Texas is another town with a noticable aroma.  I rode through El Paso on motorcycle on Interstate 10 from the northwest to the southeast, south of town is mile upon mile of cattle yards.  I grew up in the country, and am used to the smell of a deeply mucked barnyard.  I was not used to the smell of bazillions of grossly mucked barnyards.frown  The only thing I can compare it to strengthwise is central Florida north of Orlando back in the middle of the last century (1940-1984).  Mile upon mile of orange groves.  An orange smells refreshing,  a grove of oranges smells strongly orange.  bazillions of acres of orange groves as far as the eye can see and mile after mile on the road is sickening.  I mentioned 1984 specifically because there was a killer freeze that winter that killed all those orange groves.  Wiped them out.  For a year or more afterwards it was just black disintegrating naked, dead orange trees.  Mile upon mile of them as far as the eye could see.surprise  Eventually, the skeleton trees or what was left of them were cut down and the land either replanted or repurposed.  Lots of new housing developments grew there.

    ...another place was the inner harbour at Muskegon MI.  We used to take the Milwaukee Clipper (a ship older than the Titanic by about seven years) across Lake Michigan during summer in the 1960s. Just after passing through the Muskegon channel into what was called "Muskegon Lake" on the way to West Michigan Pier, passengers' noses were often assaulted by all sorts of unpleasant "aromas", leading to us calling it "The Bay of a Thousand Smells".  

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  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Is Italy developed herd immunity or reduced it using social distancing?

  • Ar there be a stretch of land just south of Pompano beach and Fort Lauderdale in sunny hot Florida of these tham thar United States of Trump back in the days of Boot Lick Bill the Clinton or maybe 'twas earlier when the president had a ray gun.

    The land lay high at low tide just west of Aye-95. Travel on Aye aye-95 legally was 55 miles per hour but thatwas in the slow lane with the left blinker on all the way. What normal travel was in the middle lane was 80 naughties per lash when the wind was at yer back. But as ye git close to enterin' this here stretch... it hit ye. [Takes shot of rum sitting on dashboard then continues story].

    "All hands roll up windows! CLOSE VENTS! TURN ON AIR CONDITIONER!"

    The cars back then had air conditioners and roll up windows because electric push button windows were too expensive because the cAR salesman had to check with his manager to get you a better deal on that piece of crap with barnuckles in the lot they couldn't move even if they took a whole box of chocolate flavoured Exlax.

    "ALL HANDS TAKE DEEP BREATH AND HOLD TILL WE COME OUT OF WARP FACTOR 120 MPH IN FIVE MINUTES!"

    The stench was thick... worse than sea buscuit's farts thick.... Aye ye taste those farts but ye be chewing on this smell fer days. Even at high noon ye could see the toxic green glow of the source some miles west of us. They call it... Diaper Mountain. White disposable plastic diapers that were stained brown and yellow as far as the aye could sea.

    That's when it hit us... we noticed someone left the radio on... Michael Bolton was whaling in the background about 'how can I live without you?' like a wounded water buffalo.

    "WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT! KILL THE RADIO! WE NEED THE ENERGY TO GET SOUTH OF DIAPER MOUNTAIN!" "AYE AYE!" The passenger gasped almost fatally rolling down the window for some fresh air.

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    An almost empty market from worlds most populous country (according to land:people ratio) due to coronavirus. I found this image using search.

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,680
    edited April 2020
    kyoto kid said:
    Greymom said:

    El Paso, Texas is another town with a noticable aroma.  I rode through El Paso on motorcycle on Interstate 10 from the northwest to the southeast, south of town is mile upon mile of cattle yards.  I grew up in the country, and am used to the smell of a deeply mucked barnyard.  I was not used to the smell of bazillions of grossly mucked barnyards.frown  The only thing I can compare it to strengthwise is central Florida north of Orlando back in the middle of the last century (1940-1984).  Mile upon mile of orange groves.  An orange smells refreshing,  a grove of oranges smells strongly orange.  bazillions of acres of orange groves as far as the eye can see and mile after mile on the road is sickening.  I mentioned 1984 specifically because there was a killer freeze that winter that killed all those orange groves.  Wiped them out.  For a year or more afterwards it was just black disintegrating naked, dead orange trees.  Mile upon mile of them as far as the eye could see.surprise  Eventually, the skeleton trees or what was left of them were cut down and the land either replanted or repurposed.  Lots of new housing developments grew there.

    I grew up outside Orlando, and my folks had a couple of small orange groves.  I know exactly what you mean about the orange smell when they were in bloom!  It never really bothered me much, but it was a bit of a relief when the blooms dropped.  Used to be able to go up to the top of the Citrus Tower north of Orlando, and there were orange groves as far as you could see in almost any direction.  I moved out of state before the big freeze hit.  My folks had sold their groves to for housing developments long before that.  It was sad to see all the dead trees.  Now there is mostly housing developments and pine groves (for paper pulp and lumber).  The "Orange Line", the longitude above which you can't grow oranges profitably due to the frequency of hard freezes, has been moving steadily South since the turn of the century, and used to be all the way into Southern Louisiana.  Last I heard, it is somewhere below Sarasota.  This seems odd with all the concerns about global warming.  The Orange Line also has some correlation with the spread of Iquanas.  Oranges are better eating. laugh

    ...I really like oranges and orange juice. That would have scarred me for life. 

    1984 actually might have been the wrong year, maybe it was late '82 or early '83, because it was the day that I moved into my historic log cabin in Winter Park, FL.  One of the attractions to that gorgeous little cabin on the lake was the large grapefruit tree in the front yard.  The freeze hit the night we moved in.  Tree turned black within a couple days and we eventually had it removed.  We were only in that house for a little over a year.  Summer of '84 was the year I moved to Washington, DC.  The cabin in Winter Park was the best investment I ever made.  Had the house for a year and a half and sold it for quite a profit because of EPCOT having opened and all the movie studios setting up shop in the Orlando area, Winter Park with it's quick access to Disney area and the lush vegetation, many lakes and large classic (for Florida) homes became the new "Hollywood".  Rich people clammoring for elegant properties not in a ticky-tacky housing development.

    Edited to insert missing word "best".

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,614
    edited April 2020

    damn I miss my planned lifestyle of daily walks to shops to get stuff to eat

    stupid fridge thermostat is playing up now freezing my lettuce and ruining it, not worth fixing either as was a cheap fridge

    my original plan was fresh food daily coupled with exercise and I lost almost 20Kg doing it

    this quarantine is fattening me up again

    I can use the fridge still but not for things freezing damages 

    my sour cream froze solid too but that  defrosted fine especially on hot potato 

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  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562

    Ugly side of society revealing during coronavirus.

    Corona fear: Three Italians attacked in East Burdwan

    https://www.thestatesman.com/bengal/corona-fear-three-italians-attacked-in-east-burdwan-1502865411.html

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
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    P.S. Our Statewide stay at home order expires Thursday, YEAH!!!  Individual countuies with issues like Harris (Houston) and Dallas may extend on a county by county basis.  Hopefully Phase 2 will soon follow as I need a hair cut really, really bad.

    Yeah, I am not going near any business that can't keep an employee 6ft or more from me at all times for quite awhile. I understand businesses need to start making money again to stay afloat, but I have done fine so far with them being closed and plan to keep doing so until I feel safe enough to visit them. Some of these defiant idiots that scoff at restrictions and safety concerns I have been seeing on the news and videos will never get my business again on just principle alone.

    I'm with ya there. I have to wonder how long all this "open everything up!" stuff is going to last once another wave of sick people hits in three weeks. We're just starting to get to a point where our medical facilities can handle what's getting thrown at them...that doesn't mean we can just jump back into the pool without waiting for a half hour after eating. I get it...poeple have to work and businesses need to...business. What's worse...not working, or overwhelming our medical care system even further? It's a recipe for disaster either way you slice it. Which is the lesser of those two evils? And what happens in states like NY, NJ, and CT where it's still scary af, and more and more people are getting sick every day? Nursing homes are certifiable death camps at this point...for workers and patients. Are we going to have to set up border patrol to keep people out of these states that absolutely need to stay locked down? 

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