Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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Yea I think the discount is currently wonky, I've emailed it in so will be sorted as soon as they get in the office.
Yea I think the discount is currently wonky, I've emailed it in so will be sorted as soon as they get in the office.
Thanks, i put several of there things in my cart, waiting somewhat patiently for it to work out ;)
Die erste 'Punch'-Aktion im vergangenen Jahr habe ich mitgemacht, weil mir die Sachen gefielen, die dabei angeboten wurden, und weil die Bundles (wie bei dir Aiko 6) mich gereizt haben. Es ist also beides zusammen gekommen, und das muss so sein. Ansonsten kaufe ich nichts, was mir nicht gefällt oder zu meinen Themen passt, egal mit welchen Rabatten die winken. Was soll ich z.B. mit 'sexy' Fähnchen, Toon-Figuren, Maschinengewehren oder Elfen, wenn ich nichts damit tue? Müllt mir nur die Festplatte zu.
Ich gucke mir die Sachen aber auch daraufhin an, ob ich Einzelnes daraus verwenden kann. Die 'Queen of Lions' (PC-Artikel) z.B. habe ich nur wegen der tollen Schuhe gekauft. Bei einem Preis von $ 1,99 geht das locker; wenn der jetzt deutlich angehoben wird, ist Schluss damit.
(Sorry for this conversation in German; maybe we should open a German section ;-))
are you talking about the football?
Nein wir reden nicht über "Football", aber Google übersetzt von deutsch ins Englisch so schlecht, daß hier Mißverständnisse über die Aussagen aufgetreten sind, deshalb poste ich jetzt nur noch in deutsch und wen es interessiert, der kann ja seine Übersetzungstools verwenden. Vielleicht sieht der englischsprachige Kunde dann einmal, wie es ist, sogar nur normale Korrespondenz übersetzt zu verstehen - wie soll es dann gar mit komplizierten Verkaufsaktionen sein?
Ich wäre auch sehr für eine deutschsprachige Abteilung hier im Forum, indem alles in deutsch diskutiert und geschrieben wird - aber das ist wohl vergebliches Wunschdenken.
Nicht gerade ein eigenes Unterforum, aber immerhin zwei Threads:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/35040/
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/35102/
I may be the only one suffering from "DAZ specials PTSS", but I'm finding it difficult and tedious (time-wastingly) to read through understand the ongoing numerous and complicated special offerings that DAZ comes up with in its creative efforts to get us to buy more stuff (i.e. the regular Sales and Promotions things as well as things this platinum club plus offering). Of course DAZ needs to sell more things but complex offers seems to be an odd way of going about it.
Would it make such a difference to DAZ's bottom line if they just had simpler sales from time to time, and for PC members a monthly voucher of either 6 dollars off DAZ originals, OR 3 dollars off any other content author's stuff? AND I would really like a chance to bank the 3 dollars for say up to 3 months so after 3 months I get 9 dollars of any author's stuff and can get something special but expensive I'd really like.
Something along these lines would make me happy and far less miffed at reading through complex offers and trying to workout what they can be used on & how to best use them to get stuff I's actually really like to get.
No you are not the only one.
Moreover the promotions that should be incentive just have an opposite effect on me because I buy nothing even if I usually spent a lot of money here.
Probably a sort of "inversely proportional" effect as in physics...
I've spent about $150 since the beginning of the month, but almost all of it has been out of the 80% off sales with a handful of fast grabs and five $3.50 T-Party items. As for "new release" product, I've bought exactly one item: Maclean's Modeling Agency, and I only bought that now because I got a triple stack on another interior set I wanted. At this point I've come to the conclusion that there's simply no point in buying things at 30% off when we all know they'll be discounted to at least 50% off within a month or two, and it's too damn much working going through each PC+ PA members stores with each new sale to see if there's a stacking benefit. Otherwise I'm just not buying PA stuff unless it's 50% off and D.O.s unless they're at least 65% off after stacking.
However, that DOES bring me to the interesting conclusion that I'd be a lot more inclined to go with a PC+ style plan if it was structured as follows:
1. the PA discount was a NON-stacking 50% off (in other words, PC members get the equivalent of regular week-long flash sales, and the incentive to buy now while it's at the lowest price rather than waiting for a sale, while the PA's don't have to worry about something being discounted to 75% off)
2. the PC items either returned to the old fixed prices or the discount went to 80% (putting the older Platinum items in the same price range as they are in the classic PC, but opening the door for more expensive PC items at a slightly higher price down the road) and
3. if the coupon option went from two coupons a month to my choice of just one of the two coupons types each month (ie in any give month I could use either the coup for $ 6 off a D.O. with no additional purchase required OR the coup for $6 off a $18 purchase including PA product. Using one coup cancels the other out.)
I've spent about $150 since the beginning of the month, but almost all of it has been out of the 80% off sales with a handful of fast grabs and five $3.50 T-Party items. As for "new release" product, I've bought exactly one item: Maclean's Modeling Agency, and I only bought that now because I got a triple stack on another interior set I wanted. At this point I've come to the conclusion that there's simply no point in buying things at 30% off when we all know they'll be discounted to at least 50% off within a month or two, and it's too damn much working going through each PC+ PA members stores with each new sale to see if there's a stacking benefit. Otherwise I'm just not buying PA stuff unless it's 50% off and D.O.s unless they're at least 65% off after stacking.
However, that DOES bring me to the interesting conclusion that I'd be a lot more inclined to go with a PC+ style plan if it was structured as follows:
1. the PA discount was a NON-stacking 50% off (in other words, PC members get the equivalent of regular week-long flash sales, and the incentive to buy now while it's at the lowest price rather than waiting for a sale, while the PA's don't have to worry about something being discounted to 75% off)
2. the PC items either returned to the old fixed prices or the discount went to 80% (putting the older Platinum items in the same price range as they are in the classic PC, but opening the door for more expensive PC items at a slightly higher price down the road) and
3. if the coupon option went from two coupons a month to my choice of just one of the two coupons types each month (ie in any give month I could use either the coup for $ 6 off a D.O. with no additional purchase required OR the coup for $6 off a $18 purchase including PA product. Using one coup cancels the other out.)
This exposes a key flaw in how products are currently marketed to PC members. What if you were shopping for a particular need in scene, would you then consider paying full list price? Whether for business or obsessive hobby - would you pay list in time of need?
While its clear you identified the discount pattern , it is the answer to the question above that would indicate if the products list price is attractive enough to earn sufficiently profitable sales.
I think the way it works a 50% discounted price for a PA product returns 25% to product stakeholders.
There needs to be an equilibrium established on these product pricing tiers based on what is attractive to both the stakeholders and consumers in need, not to include cherry pickers. This is where things may have gone awry. Once you cant satisfy "the needers", the "cherry pickers" will pick you out of business. Guess what, in the PC we are ALL CHERRY PICKERS!
It is also what I have noticed. It is why I have decided to stop buying most of the things that are just released with a 30% off reduction. I will thus buy these items when they will go on sale for a very low price... Some exception for the items I would need immediately or that I could not resist. Though I could resist a lot of things until now...
Don't like PC+ as is. This month, so far, I have spent a total of $7.95 for my monthly PC subscription. If the coupon(s) had worked on PA products I would have had two large buys. But alas things have gotten to expensive for my blood.
Hi MN-150374,
danke für die Links zu deutschsprachigen Themen. Nur diese Threads können leider nicht zu 100 % das Wissen vermitteln, wie die Diskussionen hier im Thread oder anderen z.B. bei Neuerscheinungen etc. Ich bin lee-lhs sehr dankbar, daß sie das unentgeltlich für uns deutschsprachigen Kunden übersetzt, aber ein Dauerzustand kann das eigentlich auch nicht sein, oder? Eigentlich ist es eine Angelegenheit von DAZ, diesen Support für andersprachige Kunden zu leisten, zumindest was die Erklärungen bezüglich Verkaufsaktionen anbelangt.
All items in my store are on 30% off for PC+ members and not 12%.. there must be some store glitch ..other way it make not sense
This exposes a key flaw in how products are currently marketed to PC members. What if you were shopping for a particular need in scene, would you then consider paying full list price? Whether for business or obsessive hobby - would you pay list in time of need?
While its clear you identified the discount pattern , it is the answer to the question above that would indicate if the products list price is attractive enough to earn sufficiently profitable sales.
I think the way it works a 50% discounted price for a PA product returns 25% to product stakeholders.
There needs to be an equilibrium established on these product pricing tiers based on what is attractive to both the stakeholders and consumers in need, not to include cherry pickers. This is where things may have gone awry. Once you cant satisfy "the needers", the "cherry pickers" will pick you out of business. Guess what, in the PC we are ALL CHERRY PICKERS!
The key question is whether removing the inclination to wait for a lower price would spur more people to buy immediately, thereby accelerating the return to the creators. Going by what PAs have said here and in other threads, the majority of sales are made in the first few months of a product's release. After that the product presumably gets lost in the shuffle of the store until it's unearthed in the next sale. You're basically correct in how the royalties are paid, but you missed the top artist incentives, wherein the top15 artists each month receive a 15% bonus while the top 16-30 Artists receive a 10% bonus. That means that there's a sizable benefit to selling more units more quickly, and two units sold at 25% equals more money than one item at 35% (which is the royalty result of an item sold at the current 30% off discount, and that's before adding in any stacking discounts.) Toss in a 10-15% bonus for hitting a higher seller level and it becomes considerably better. In addition, my thought was that the other major benefit of locking the PA price down to a fixed percentage w/no stacking would be that PC+ members would spend less of their time trying to shop the store for the best deals and simply buy the items that appeal to them with the security that they were getting something relatively close to the best possible price.
This exposes a key flaw in how products are currently marketed to PC members. What if you were shopping for a particular need in scene, would you then consider paying full list price? Whether for business or obsessive hobby - would you pay list in time of need?
While its clear you identified the discount pattern , it is the answer to the question above that would indicate if the products list price is attractive enough to earn sufficiently profitable sales.
I think the way it works a 50% discounted price for a PA product returns 25% to product stakeholders.
There needs to be an equilibrium established on these product pricing tiers based on what is attractive to both the stakeholders and consumers in need, not to include cherry pickers. This is where things may have gone awry. Once you cant satisfy "the needers", the "cherry pickers" will pick you out of business. Guess what, in the PC we are ALL CHERRY PICKERS!
The key question is whether removing the inclination to wait for a lower price would spur more people to buy immediately, thereby accelerating the return to the creators. Going by what PAs have said here and in other threads, the majority of sales are made in the first few months of a product's release. After that the product presumably gets lost in the shuffle of the store until it's unearthed in the next sale. You're basically correct in how the royalties are paid, but you missed the top artist incentives, wherein the top15 artists each month receive a 15% bonus while the top 16-30 Artists receive a 10% bonus. That means that there's a sizable benefit to selling more units more quickly, and two units sold at 25% equals more money than one item at 35% (which is the royalty result of an item sold at the current 30% off discount, and that's before adding in any stacking discounts.) Toss in a 10-15% bonus for hitting a higher seller level and it becomes considerably better. In addition, my thought was that the other major benefit of locking the PA price down to a fixed percentage w/no stacking would be that PC+ members would spend less of their time trying to shop the store for the best deals and simply buy the items that appeal to them with the security that they were getting something relatively close to the best possible price.
Ahh - that all explains the time pressure dimension I was missing. I could see the emphasis of early sales push, but did not realize how its incentive that way. Its a merchandising failure in the store then that makes products become obsolete without business cause or reason. By improving theme categories and increasing diversity and using contests and alignment theme to current news events and trends you can avoid this.
Whats the purpose of incentivizing sales surges by over discounting resulting with shorter product life-cycles? With a better cataloging & merchandising system targeted at the broader social media markets, all this can be avoided. Also you can only dig through so many bikini's.... there is a world of stuff out there to replicate and designer wear is a tiny aspect. Because sex it garners the impulse buy, but it then it gets lost in the noise of back shelved bikini's I argue to build a business for the long term, building residual revenue is better than a chasing unpredictable bursts.
Besides if we haven't figured it out in a couple of years all tangible product will be designed in 3d before going to manufacturing (3d printing?), so the content creators will be competing against commercial & established designers for 3d counterparts of real world items. Gotta adapt to the times. Coke will release its next product along with a trademarked 3d bottle in the DAZ store to help promote it. Its happening elsewhere in cyberspace like 2nd Life already where Nissan has a virtual dealership ect for 3d versions of their cars.
If 3d developers want to remain in business, they must be prepared to compete against this onslaught or get hired by a commercial brand!
The solution is rather simple - Limit the number of sales, and be careful what you discount to what percentage. If you want to sell in the first month, then discounts should never go below that intro price, unless they are five years in the shop, or something like that.
That way, you can lower the overall price for items, because you recoup your costs faster due to less discounts...
Of course, everyone would scream murder at first, but it would maybe lead to people actually treasuring a sale, rather than being oversatiated by five sales per day.
DAZ, it's hard to be "HUNGRY" for a sale when it comes out of your ears already. Every dollar can just be spent once, and when you have 20 great offers in week one, there's no more money left for the great offers in week two, three and four.
PC should, in my opinion, develope its scheme with this in mind. Keep it simple, keep it straight, and keep it moderate... :-)
The problem is that this is DAZ and they've always been addicted to sales, though it seems to have become considerably worse since the introduction of the new store. I don't mind that, per se, but the trend has been towards greater and greater complexity in how the discounts are achieved while the store mechanisms have become increasingly less helpful in showing how those discounts apply... assuming that they're actually working at all, which is frequently not the case.
No kidding!
Though, they have started a sale that might actually work for PC. I think it follows a model someone suggested earlier here in the thread.
* http://www.daz3d.com/pc-thank-you
That's more like it!
It seems that there is somebody at DAZ who is able to organise a sale without referring to Quantum String Theory to formulate the rules. Now all they have to do is to reinstate fixed price PC item tiers and the future might start looking bright again.
Dies ist seit langer Zeit mal wieder eine Aktion, bei der ich mehr ausgegeben habe, als ich wollte.
Hallo Conny, lee-lhs übersetzt mittlerweile die Bedingungen für die DAZ-Sales auch für die Englischen Muttersprachler. :-)
( siehe: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/42981/ )
Da soltte sich DAZ wirklich langsam mal Gedanken machen, ob sie sich auf dem richtigen Weg befinden ... :roll:
Wie ich in der Deutschen Selbsthilfegruppe schon beschrieben habe, war meine PC-Mitgliedschaft schon beendet bevor der PC+ gestartet wurde ( http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/35102/P195/#630820 ). Wenn der PC+ zum Standard wird, werde ich nicht nochmal PC-Mitglied. >:(
I don't think it would work. There are other stores ...
I know that I would spend considerably less here if there were no sales.
I don't think it would work. There are other stores ...
I know that I would spend considerably less here if there were no sales.
I'm not suggesting no sales at all, just less often sales, which are better planned. :-)
I'm not suggesting no sales at all, just less often sales, which are better planned. :-)
I was talking about the not going below intro price ... if other stores have 50% - 70% off sales, Daz wouldn't succeed with only 30% off sales.
Well, it was nice to have the three PC+ stores with the creator promo (FirstBastion/Sickleyied/Mec4D) as those stacking discounts were awesome. I also used my second coupon (spent over $18) and got an additional $6 off, and paid wonderful prices. No complaints! The promo was easy to understand and easy to apply. You buy one of the creature creator items, get 40% off the three stores which were all identified as PC+ on the graphic, and I got the additional PC+ discounts. Thanks DAZ! (WIth the additional $6 off included, sample prices were: A Flight Of Stairs $4.80, Great Wizards were $6.58 (full price 22.95), some poses were $3.71.
If I had not seen your message I would have shrugged about the 40% off these artists cataloges ... There was nothing about the stacking discounts being permitted by the artists ... I don't think the artists participation will stay like that in the future.
Well, the other consideration is maybe they aren't supposed to give different discounts but the DAZ team hasn't arrived at work yet to fix them. But they were all identified as PC+ so I checked them. (Doesn't apply to new releases of course.)
Unfortunately, the discounts only seem to work at random. Sickleyield's Security doesn't work, yet Wonderous Creatures does... And is anyone else finding that a number of the links on the CC sale page seem to be broken?
I don't think it would work. There are other stores ...
I know that I would spend considerably less here if there were no sales.
Seems Blue Light Specials ring your bell...
Is your objective to shop for discounts, or best value? Since 3d content is a license to use, the terms must be equivalent between stores to compare product offerings. My observations is terms differ substantially and there fore cannot be compared by price alone. That means what you can do "legally" with your purchase differs substantially depending where you bought it. Furthermore there are other tangible differences such as the software installer, build quality, customer service and compatibility to various 3d applications should be considered.
So is it 50% or more that leads to a sale, or is it the best value product that makes you consider purchase? Would you pay full list price even if it was cheaper than a competitors product of similar appeal at 90% off ? Or would the subjective temptation and thrill of gaming a discount be too great to overcome to be able to get maximum objective value from the purchase.