Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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Let's get back on point then, shall we? My observations:
Problem: The PC isn't filling DAZ's coffers to the extent they feel it should.
Observations :
A vast majority of content in the PC is geared for Gen4 and earlier. That doesn't align with DAZ's current user base, which is predominately using DS & the genesis figures (and don't use Poser).
A Venn diagram of the content in the PC along with the customer base would be interesting - disconcerting to DAZ I am quite sure.
Not enough Genesis users appear to be interested in paying $70 a year for access to what is in reality, a very small selection of genesis products - Autofit of earlier content isn't a solution until it works flawlessly, every time, on every product. Unless of course DAZ feels the "Refund Tango" is worth doing on a continuous basis.
Not enough Poser users appear to be willing to pay $70 a year for a few new props and the occasional hair product - DSON isn't a solution until it works flawlessly, every time, on every product. Unless of course DAZ feels the "Refund Tango" is worth doing on a continuous basis.
So far, DAZ's solution has been to subtract perks from the PC. A better solution would be to increase the perceived value of the PC. How can DAZ do this? Here is some "low hanging fruit" - none of this pertains to marketing, but marketing is never going to be the solution, it's the problem - The PC needs steak, not sizzle.
1. One of the perks that has gone by the wayside was PC members getting "early peaks" at new figures. People would talk about the new figure in the PC forums and then later in the commons, adding to the perceived value of being a PC member. This went a long way to generating demand for figures. This went away around the time DAZ started working on the genesis figure.
2. Put some serious work behind getting Autofit working flawlessly, every single time. By doing this, it raises the perceived value of Gen4 content to the DS/genesis user base. And spare me from the "We're a small company" nonsense. If you don't address this issue, DAZ will get smaller.
3a. Put some serious work behind getting DSON working flawlessly, every single time. I have a Xeon workstation (2.66 Gb, 8 cores, 22Gb of memory, 14.5 TB hard drive space) - I can not load 2 fully clothed genesis figures in a scene without DSON locking up. Doing so makes genesis 1 & 2 content more valuable to the Poser community - and makes the PC viable again for those that don't use DS.
3b. Make PCFs for your genesis 1 content - if it was as easy as DAZ claims it is, then it shouldn't be a problem. I have attempted to make PCFs for more than 20 items - every single item failed at load. The error message provides no useful information, and the documentation center tells me to:
2. Load the file. If any errors pop up while loading, please get in contact with someone who can help resolve the issues before you proceed.
I know that someone doesn't work in DAZ's Tech support. This is why I took every one of the genesis 1950's products out of my cart - I really would like to buy them (I have a story that takes place in the 1950's), but I have already flushed a couple hundred dollars down the drain and I don't see any point in adding to it - even if they are $1.99/$2.99. PCFs for your DS 4.0 content adds perceived value to Poser customers that are using DSON.
4. Change the product mix in the PC. Adding new Gen4 content to PC would increase the value of the PC to the Poser community. If DAZ's corporate ego won't allow that, look to buy out older Gen4 content from PAs. Why am I pushing to increase the Poser side of the PC? Because if the DS/genesis user base was buying enough PC memberships, DAZ wouldn't be looking at revamping the PC.
5. During the Gen4 timeframe, DAZ sold "unimesh fits" for Gen4 content - why not sell "Autofit" conversions for Gen4 content? For that matter, why not sell PCF conversions as addons? In my earlier example ('50's genesis content) I would not mind paying for the product and then a separate $1.99/$2.99 (or whatever you feel is a good number) for the PCFs. We do that now with a number of products, particularly hair products. And I suspect that making PCFs is quicker for DAZ than it is for Poser users struggling to get in contact with someone.
6. Coupons - 6 of one; half a dozen of the other. Coupons will become more useful when DSON and Autofit are running flawlessly. So another reason to get cracking on those.
The ball is in your court..........
Wow - this was a great comment. Daz should hire you. They won't though :lol:
I find the idead of "poser add-on" PC items rather interesting, especially since supporting Poser properly would mean providing not only the PCF but also Poser materials. I'm not sure how viable those products would be though...
what happened to the pc+thankyou 50% stores?
i feel like i was scammed into clicking the foxtrot convert button.
They're now running a 30% off sale of a wider number of PA stores. Which also appears to override the existing PA+ store sales and their stacking discounts. But hey, the ubiquitous 80% off V4/M4 sale that was "exclusive" to PC & PC+ members over the weekend is once again back up for everyone. (Isn't it a shame this forum doesn't have a "face-palm" smiley?)
They're now running a 30% off sale of a wider number of PA stores. Which also appears to override the existing PA+ store sales and their stacking discounts. But hey, the ubiquitous 80% off V4/M4 sale that was "exclusive" to PC & PC+ members over the weekend is once again back up for everyone. (Isn't it a shame this forum doesn't have a "face-palm" smiley?)
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the aoa store was 50 percents this morning.
As a PC club member who uses only Daz... The PC club plus has only had one good effect - to break me of buying as many items as I used to.
Taking away the 1.99 items and replacing it with a 70% discount moved a lot of them into my not-worth-buying category.
The new discounts simply aren't large enough for me to consider breaking my budget for them... the sales aren't "special" enough to make a difference between waiting or grabbing right now.
As much as I'd like to support the PA artists more, I have a limited budget and the new discounts aren't enough to tempt me to break it. The extra coupons... meh, I used them... but that only worked for two purchases.
The big non-PC sales on the M4 and V4 back catalog have been where the temptation to break the budget has come from - and for that I didn't need either PC or PC+.
The extra discounts on the new items - I largely haven't taken advantage of them with the exception of stuff I would have purchased anyhow.
I've got to say that this PC+ isn't really any +, it's like a really big minus, and I'm sort of disappointed I ever clicked on the 'yes I'll try the beta for a month' button. Given what some of the PC specials have been like in the past I was expecting more.
Anyhow that's my 2 cents.
At one point I was so unimpressed by PCMinus that I had unchecked the recurring box to let my membership lapse. I then changed it to monthly (was quarterly) giving me the freedom to cancel just as soon as I am fed up with all the bs. That action is a direct result of the way DAZ have handled PC_Minus.
DAZ, you need to get it into your heads that a "Platinum" club needs to be a little bit special - it's no damn good having a PC_Minus "exclusive" sale on Monday, then offering the same thing to all the world and his dog on Tuesday!!!
I have to agree that we were promised rotating stores weekly at 50% and that there would be stacking sales with those stores. DAZ has gone back on what was promised. That isn't to take away any appreciation for the participating PA's, but if we're told "this is how it will be, we promise! Try PC+!" then that's the way it should BE. Other than Lee, I'm not shopping unless there's flash sales. (Dreamlight is currently 70%)
When were you promised rotating stores at 50% off? That was never part of the PC+. Rotating stores at 30% off were promised. And we did say it would be about every week, which we have stuck to. And the Dreamlight sale does stack with PC+, so if you are PC+ you get 79%
The PC+ Thank you sale that had rotating PA's at 50% off was temporary. It was essentially to gauge how people liked it. But it wasn't something we promised would remain for the rest of the beta.
I'm pretty sure we were promised 30%, not 50%. The stacking has been inconsistent and unclear, though.
I'm pretty sure we were promised 30%, not 50%. The stacking has been inconsistent and unclear, though.
I don't recall ever seeing that either - it's always been 30%, as per http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-plus/.
It has stacked in places, to around 50%+ but certainly that's been a bonus, and not the standard.
My bad. Sorry! There have been some really nice stacking sales throughout all this too.
I haven't gone to the Dreamlight sale yet, but that is a very good deal even at the 70%. The PA's are really being very nice to do this.
Dreamlight's stuff is actually 79% off because it is stacking with the 30% pc plus select artists thingie.
Why does it seem like every time DAZ tries to "fix" or "improve" something, they end up making it worse. The PC has gone from what was once a pretty clear cut set of rules to massive confusion over revolving PA's, discounts, to stack or not to stack...
I didn't even bother to opt in because when I read the first posts I had a feeling things were going to end up in a mess. Right now I be willing to give up the $6 monthly coupon in order to keep the regular 30% discount on DO's and the $1.99 PC catalog.
Add the pinky finger from your left hand and one orblet (internal or external does not matter) and you'll probably have a deal. :) And the deal leaves you an orblet for the PC++ membership negotiations two years from now!
Can you imagine 20 years from now? PC++++++++++, Numerals might be better.
As one with a limited budget (and that has been halved recently because of RL ;( ), I have not had any problems understanding the perks and limitations of the PC+, discounts included (but I am an old timer and use to the discounting methods and I love math). I have been a PC member for quite a few years, and very seldom regret it. I signed up for the PC+, out of a support for DAZ and have NOT changed my buying habits with the thought that "these items can be bought at 1.99 after the beta". I have bought the PC items that I can afford, when I can, and that I liked. Maybe not as many as I would have liked, but what I could.
Have I paid more, of course. Am I whining about the increase? Occasionally, but more because my funds haven't been reliable anyways. Have I taken advantage of the PA discounts? No, but again a lot of it is because my funds have been iffy and now Lee 6 is out. Will I whine and complain if this version of PC+ becomes the norm for the PC? No more than I complain about the increase in the price of physical items that I buy, milk, bread, books, magazines. gas, etc. Will I leave the PC if the beta becomes the norm? NO.
I know that DAZ is trying to come up with some idea that will work for both DAZ and its members. I appreciate the fact that DAZ has listened to us and is trying to incorporate some type of PA perk for the PC. I also appreciate the opportunity to check out the PC+, instead of being told "This is how it now is". DAZ has given us the opportunity to check it out and submit feedback and converse about it here in this thread. I am just sorry that I haven't been able to show my support as actively as I would have liked. But that is life.
For the Save 6 on 18 do all the products in the cart have to be older releases?
I don't think this is working:
http://www.daz3d.com/pc-thank-you
They can't be new PC releases (but back-cat items should work fine), but they can be new DAZ Originals.
I've checked a few PA stores and can see the 30%.. can you explain what issues you're having/seeing please?
I've checked a few PA stores and can see the 30%.. can you explain what issues you're having/seeing please?
Seems to have kicked in now for me as well.
I must have been early. ;)
Seems to have kicked in now for me as well.
I must have been early. ;)
Ah good, glad to hear it's now working :)
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Huh, I tried using it with the creature creator morphs hd and the addons, as well as some of the non new daz originals but I just get an error message, the total was well over $18, maybe it's due to the creature creator being part of the top 30, which seems to be over anyway
They can't be new PC releases (but back-cat items should work fine), but they can be new DAZ Originals.
I failed with a mix of new DAZ and PA items when I was buying Lee 6, you might try it with only DAZ new items and any PA items older to see if that works.
Hey all, just a heads up - we will be wrapping the beta up at around 9am (DAZ time) on Thursday 31st. So if you don't want to lose your coupons/PC+ deals, please make sure you plan accordingly.
Thanks to everyone who has participated, it's been appreciated and we've learnt a lot.
Thank you for the heads-up Jack
I kind of hope these changes come back to stay.
I think it was a win-win for myself and for DAZ, genuinely useful products acquired on my side and I suspect a noticeable uptick in $$$ spent on DAZ's. I may be wrong, I haven't tracked my purchases for equivalent periods before vs. during the Beta.
Also, of course, there have been other factors...just luck of the draw on stuff I had to have, the new Lee character and goodies, etc. So the actual effect of the Beta program on my purchasing and satisfaction probably can't be cleanly isolated.
But overall, I'm thinking I like the Beta offering at least slightly more than the old school PC product.
Needless to say, ymmv.
My two cents is that Daz should lose the Platinum Plus program and. go back to the way it was before. Please DAZ forget this % off this and % off that then some you can stack and some you cant. then you can use your .coupon on this but not on that unless its on a tuesday???? Grrrrr Why don't you "DAZ" DO THE MATH and give us a break..., One price for members and one price for non member. Works for me.. Same goes for your sales and incentives. Thanks, now I got that off my chest.