A dumb English rant

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  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    ur bugs me on so many levels angry

     

    ur is just pure laziness.

  • James_HJames_H Posts: 1,046

    Dont get me started on apostrophe's.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,333
    NylonGirl said:

    While I sight what they're speech, I don't understanding why it mattering so much. I mean it isn't the first clock they tragedied a site like redikule.

    Thanks. laugh

    Gordig said:
    maclean said:
    and my Facebook feed is full of people saying things like "finna" and "wat u do"

    I hate to sound like a complete fool, but what does 'finna' mean? I tried guessing, (really!), but got nowhere.

     

    "fitting to", which if you're not familiar with the vernacular of the American South, is "meaning to" or "planning to".

    I reckon its from southern "fixing to" as in fixing to do something, eg "I'm fixing to go out."; preparing to, about to, going to, do something. "Finna" is from that. Using "fitting to" in a sentence is an entirely different world from the "fixing to" world. laugh

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,990
    James_H said:

    Dont get me started on apostrophe's.

    At least I wont

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    edited August 2020

    Apparently  when I was a student, I was not even supposed to use them except as possessives, I was expected to write out "will not" never "won't" recieved marks off for abbreviated words, contractions  and phrases as it was colloquial speech not written word.

    Were so many weird rules nobody in the wider world seems to of heard of in my school including my mother who was a teacher, she just shook her head in bewilderment at my teacher's corrections too.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    Sevrin said:
    marble said:

    So many of my pet peeves mentioned here but I have to say that using "your" when you mean "you're" is just wrong.

    I thought we were all agreed on "ur" for both?

    Well, you may be.  And to your defense comes Mrs. Slocomb who would say, "I am unanimous in that."

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    ArtAngel said:

    It may or may not work for you (I'm not a fan) but the decision to use a noun as a verb - especially in a slogan - is not inherently "dumb". By all means demur, and stick to the previously established norms, but don't simply assume that those who pursue another path are doing so because their command of English is lacking.

    The beauty of all rules (art, authorship, writing) is to know them, and break them.

    That's a recipe for anarchy!surprise  A better phrasing would be "... and when to break them."

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    Sevrin said:
    James_H said:

    I shall now spend the day deciding whether it is more conducive to my self-image to consider myself a Daz Stud or a Daztard. I shall spend some time in my studdy doing just that.

    If I had to add my own pet peeve, I really hate those who make a potentially aggressive or personal comment and then seek to dissipate its heat with a smiley face. 

    Oh me too!  I just want to grind them into the dust. smiley

    Oh, have trouble recognizing irony or teasing sarcasm do you? devil

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020

    Regarding "aks" instead of "ask". (*glares with murder in eye*)   It's not that it's a difficult sound for English speakers to make.  People can easily say "ass kick" so why not "ask"?  Just leave off the "ick".enlightened

    There's a letter in the Russian alphabet that can seem difficult for English speakers to pronounce (the "Щ" looks like a squared W with a penis) until you say "fresh cheese"  the "shch" is the sound to be made, which is much more difficult than "ask".   

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  • It might just be my part of England, but I often hear the pronunciation of the 'gg' and 'dd' sounds reversed.  For example, a group of people may 'huggle' together, or a couple may 'snuddle' for warmth.  It could just be a Leicester thing though.  I also knew a chap who always pronounced 'thief' as 'feeth', but I think he was just thick.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,990

    Were so many weird rules nobody in the wider world seems to of heard of in my school including my mother who was a teacher, she just shook her head in bewilderment at my teacher's corrections too.

    Well, in the 1970s when I learned my english at school here in Germany, we were taught by teachers who had studied in England and they were very keen on this, too.


    One of my pet peeves is the habit of changing the spelling according to what - mostly americans - think it should be due to how a word sounds.. like... Weiner Sausage... which should be Wiener Sausage, as it originates from the city of Wien or what englishers call it Vienna.

    On the other hand it's lots of fun to make - again mostly americans - uncomfortable by using words with a lot of umlauts - ä ö ü - and watch them nearly break their tongues when they try to pronounce them properly.

    Ah, the simple pleasures in life...

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681

    Were so many weird rules nobody in the wider world seems to of heard of in my school including my mother who was a teacher, she just shook her head in bewilderment at my teacher's corrections too.

    Well, in the 1970s when I learned my english at school here in Germany, we were taught by teachers who had studied in England and they were very keen on this, too.


    One of my pet peeves is the habit of changing the spelling according to what - mostly americans - think it should be due to how a word sounds.. like... Weiner Sausage... which should be Wiener Sausage, as it originates from the city of Wien or what englishers call it Vienna.

    On the other hand it's lots of fun to make - again mostly americans - uncomfortable by using words with a lot of umlauts - ä ö ü - and watch them nearly break their tongues when they try to pronounce them properly.

    Ah, the simple pleasures in life...

    Sadist! devil

  • Were so many weird rules nobody in the wider world seems to of heard of in my school including my mother who was a teacher, she just shook her head in bewilderment at my teacher's corrections too.

    Well, in the 1970s when I learned my english at school here in Germany, we were taught by teachers who had studied in England and they were very keen on this, too.


    One of my pet peeves is the habit of changing the spelling according to what - mostly americans - think it should be due to how a word sounds.. like... Weiner Sausage... which should be Wiener Sausage, as it originates from the city of Wien or what englishers call it Vienna.

    On the other hand it's lots of fun to make - again mostly americans - uncomfortable by using words with a lot of umlauts - ä ö ü - and watch them nearly break their tongues when they try to pronounce them properly.

    Ah, the simple pleasures in life...

    Indeed.  Reminds me of something said by George Bernard Shaw about British vs American English: “we speak the same language, but through a different organ.” surprise

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681

    It might just be my part of England, but I often hear the pronunciation of the 'gg' and 'dd' sounds reversed.  For example, a group of people may 'huggle' together, or a couple may 'snuddle' for warmth.  It could just be a Leicester thing though.  I also knew a chap who always pronounced 'thief' as 'feeth', but I think he was just thick.

    Here in the US we hear British shows where some of the characters substitute "f" for "th" at the beginning of words.  Drives me batty.  More than "aks".

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020

    And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    @maikdecker... You're right, this is fun! devil

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  • And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    It's easier to understand when you realise the Australians don't actually say "hat".  They say "hit".  They appear to have abandoned 'a' and 'e', and sometimes 'u', and just use 'i' for everything..

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,564

    And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    It's easier to understand when you realise the Australians don't actually say "hat".  They say "hit".  They appear to have abandoned 'a' and 'e', and sometimes 'u', and just use 'i' for everything..

    The "e" for "i' thing is definately not Austrailan. I think it's New Zealand you're talking about.

  • billyroscobillyrosco Posts: 56
    edited August 2020
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    So my streams crossed a bit and I ran into this Twitter post, just before reading this thread; I'm quoting from a Twitter user, '@ChariotDaGawd' who said (with some clarifications by me):

    Someone accidentally tagged the author Myke Cole instead of Michael Murry (the designer on Tekken, a fighting game) and now Stephen King knows what a snake edge is.

    So...to translate, just a little bit:

    • 'the low' is 'the low attack move'.
    • 'the huge pushback' is a power of an attack that moves the opponent back significantly.
    • 'paul' is one of the characters.
    • 'launch punishable' means it can be blocked before the attack fires.  (Typically this means it takes more than a certain number of frames to start.)
    • 'snake edge' is...a special low kick move by 'bryan', another character in the game.
    • 'chars so op' means 'characters so over-powered'.

    That's a jargon.  A specialized form of language used by people engaged in a specific field.  Being comfortable with jargons, which is necessary to operate in a large number of fields, makes it easy to be more...flexible, about language use.

    ...but I love Myke Cole's well-expressed confusion here. ;)

    Just as another example, we use 'render' to describe generating an image from 3D objects.  But 'render' has a whole long history which has nothing to do with its current use, except in the vaguest sense.  Although honestly, with how it affects my CPU and GPU, 'melt down' is probably the closest early meaning. ;)  (Our modern use of 'render' probably comes from an early meaning of 'translate', as in an english rendering of a latin text, through 'artistic rendering' where an artist translates a concept to a picture, down to our usage.)

    If one wants a language whose expansion is strongly controlled, and limited, then one could use French, in which a government body had to decide on a word for what the rest of us call 'email', and decided on (if I recall correctly) courriel.

    But I like and feel a kinship for the bastard and evolving language that is English, with all its octopii, octopuses, and octipodes.  And I have literally supported verbing nouns forever.

    --  Morgan

     

     

     

    Isn't this guy in the tweet referring to Paul's deathfist df1? Or maybe it's df2. The 'low with the huge pushback', lol.

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  • GranvilleGranville Posts: 696

    There is not Language God or Grammar Goddess. Language is constantly on the move (See the work of Linguist Dr. John McWhorter from Colombia). Language evolves, moves and shakes. The intention of one human being to enforce conventions will not stop it. Cloying repulsiveness will.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,564

    “Saving his life from this warm sausage tea”. Correct lyric: “Spare him his life from this monstrosity” from Queen’s ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’.

    “It doesn’t make a difference if we’re naked or not”. Correct lyric: “It doesn’t make a difference if we make it or not” from Bon Jovi’s ‘Livin’ On A Prayer’.

    “I’m farting carrots”. Correct lyric: “I’m 14 carat” from Selena Gomez’s ‘Good for you’.

    LOL somewhere down the line we make our own sense out of language. Much of we make of it makes about as about as much sense at what was intended.

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,114

    RE: Rules. I was flabbergasted to realize that those who compile dictionaries base definitions, spelling, etc, on usage. So the only rules of language are mob rules, so to speak. A "mistake", if used often enough, will become standard. Best to just roll with it. :)

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288

    *sigh* Makes me think of the family anecdotes about my aunt Doris who loved the hymn about sewing in the morning and bringing in the sheets.

    She liked the one about the cross-eyed bear as well.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401

    Greetings,

    JOdel said:

    *sigh* Makes me think of the family anecdotes about my aunt Doris who loved the hymn about sewing in the morning and bringing in the sheets.

    She liked the one about the cross-eyed bear as well.

    Those are 'Mondegreens'.  There are also eggcorns, spoonerisms, misles, and crash blossoms, and more...  Love them all. :)

    3WC said:

    RE: Rules. I was flabbergasted to realize that those who compile dictionaries base definitions, spelling, etc, on usage. So the only rules of language are mob rules, so to speak. A "mistake", if used often enough, will become standard. Best to just roll with it. :)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally

    Colloquial usage becomes common usage becomes primary usage, and thus is the tree of language refreshed from time to time with the blood of pedants and purists.

    --  Morgan

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    JOdel said:

    *sigh* Makes me think of the family anecdotes about my aunt Doris who loved the hymn about sewing in the morning and bringing in the sheets.

    She liked the one about the cross-eyed bear as well.

    Those are 'Mondegreens'.  There are also eggcorns, spoonerisms, misles, and crash blossoms, and more...  Love them all. :)

    3WC said:

    RE: Rules. I was flabbergasted to realize that those who compile dictionaries base definitions, spelling, etc, on usage. So the only rules of language are mob rules, so to speak. A "mistake", if used often enough, will become standard. Best to just roll with it. :)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally

    Colloquial usage becomes common usage becomes primary usage, and thus is the tree of language refreshed from time to time with the blood of pedants and purists.

    --  Morgan

     

    Corruption of the language is the revenge of the vast unwashed upon the aristocracy.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    JOdel said:

    *sigh* Makes me think of the family anecdotes about my aunt Doris who loved the hymn about sewing in the morning and bringing in the sheets.

    She liked the one about the cross-eyed bear as well.

    Those are 'Mondegreens'.  There are also eggcorns, spoonerisms, misles, and crash blossoms, and more...  Love them all. :)

    3WC said:

    RE: Rules. I was flabbergasted to realize that those who compile dictionaries base definitions, spelling, etc, on usage. So the only rules of language are mob rules, so to speak. A "mistake", if used often enough, will become standard. Best to just roll with it. :)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally

    Colloquial usage becomes common usage becomes primary usage, and thus is the tree of language refreshed from time to time with the blood of pedants and purists.

    --  Morgan

     

    Corruption of the language is the revenge of the vast unwashed upon the aristocracy.

    That you think of it as "corruption" is just a trick of the aristocracy.

  • macleanmaclean Posts: 2,438
    fred9803 said:

    “Saving his life from this warm sausage tea”. Correct lyric: “Spare him his life from this monstrosity” from Queen’s ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’.

    Heh! I heard a UK deejay at the time asking listeners for their interpretations of the lyrics of various songs. And I distinctly remember one caller quoting it as "Spare him his life from these pork sausages"

    The reason I remember it so well is I've been singing that for the last 30-40 years in place of the real lyrics! LOL.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited August 2020
    fred9803 said:

    And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    It's easier to understand when you realise the Australians don't actually say "hat".  They say "hit".  They appear to have abandoned 'a' and 'e', and sometimes 'u', and just use 'i' for everything..

    The "e" for "i' thing is definately not Austrailan. I think it's New Zealand you're talking about.

    As an Englishman living in New Zealand I can confirm that. Until I came here I had no idea that you could attach your clothes to a clothes line using pigs. It also took me a while to realise that 50 pissint is 50%. But then I have no room to complain as I grew up in South Yorkshire and we spoke a dialect that was hardly recognisable as English. Anyone who has seen the 1970's film, Kes, will get the gist of what I mean.

     

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    marble said:
    fred9803 said:

    And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    It's easier to understand when you realise the Australians don't actually say "hat".  They say "hit".  They appear to have abandoned 'a' and 'e', and sometimes 'u', and just use 'i' for everything..

    The "e" for "i' thing is definately not Austrailan. I think it's New Zealand you're talking about.

    As an Englishman living in New Zealand I can confirm that. Until I came here I had no idea that you could attach your clothes to a clothes line using pigs. It also took me a while to realise that 50 pissint is 50%. But then I have no room to complain as I grew up in South Yorkshire and we spoke a dialect that was hardly recognisable as English. Anyone who has seen the 1970's film, Kes, will get the gist of what I mean.

     

  • markgoode77markgoode77 Posts: 343
    edited August 2020
    marble said:
    fred9803 said:

    And let's not leave the Australians out of this.  Sometimes I'm afraid that the effort they put into their vowels will give them muscle cramps in their mouth.  The "O" especially.  It almost hurts to see them coddle an imaginary grape with their lips as they say "toilet", or the puppet strings pulling the corners of their mouth back giving them a Cheshire Cat grin as they say "hat".

    It's easier to understand when you realise the Australians don't actually say "hat".  They say "hit".  They appear to have abandoned 'a' and 'e', and sometimes 'u', and just use 'i' for everything..

    The "e" for "i' thing is definately not Austrailan. I think it's New Zealand you're talking about.

    As an Englishman living in New Zealand I can confirm that. Until I came here I had no idea that you could attach your clothes to a clothes line using pigs. It also took me a while to realise that 50 pissint is 50%. But then I have no room to complain as I grew up in South Yorkshire and we spoke a dialect that was hardly recognisable as English. Anyone who has seen the 1970's film, Kes, will get the gist of what I mean.

     

    Ah, Kes.  I must watch that again. Probably tomorrow.

    My grandmother was a Yorkshire lass who, as a fallen woman, gave birth to my father in 1924 in Loughborough workhouse.  All we know about my grandfather is what she told us, she said that he was 'well off'.  By Yorkshire standards of the early 1920s 'well off' probably meant that he owned a pair of shoes.  Bless 'em, they're long gone now (grandparents and parents I mean, not the shoes).

    I highly recommend Kes though.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020
    Gordig said:
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    JOdel said:

    *sigh* Makes me think of the family anecdotes about my aunt Doris who loved the hymn about sewing in the morning and bringing in the sheets.

    She liked the one about the cross-eyed bear as well.

    Those are 'Mondegreens'.  There are also eggcorns, spoonerisms, misles, and crash blossoms, and more...  Love them all. :)

    3WC said:

    RE: Rules. I was flabbergasted to realize that those who compile dictionaries base definitions, spelling, etc, on usage. So the only rules of language are mob rules, so to speak. A "mistake", if used often enough, will become standard. Best to just roll with it. :)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally

    Colloquial usage becomes common usage becomes primary usage, and thus is the tree of language refreshed from time to time with the blood of pedants and purists.

    --  Morgan

     

    Corruption of the language is the revenge of the vast unwashed upon the aristocracy.

    That you think of it as "corruption" is just a trick of the aristocracy.

    That you think of it as a trick of the aristocracy, is the unceasing din of the vast unwashed.

    But I suppose that in New Zealand an "unceasing din" would be a very long bear cave.  Which would make the statement very confusing.indecision  Oh, wait..., they don't have bears in New Zealand do they. frown  Never mind!blush

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