A dumb English rant

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    Taoz said:
    Taoz said:
    Taoz said:

     

    One thing that actually causes confusion among users...and yes I find it very annoying...is when shader PRESETS are referred to as shadersangry. Even PAs do it..."15 IRay shaders included" etc.

    What is a non-preset shader?  Do you mean textures?  I was confused about the differenced between shaders and textures in the beginning.  And then there is maps. 

    Examples of shaders: IRayUber, DS default, AoA SSS, OmniUberSurface, aweSurface.

    OK, the base shader framework so to speak. 

     

    One could argue that selling a product that "ships with 15 IRay shaders" is false advertising. I need to know what I get since I have to convert to awe, and customshaders typically won't convert without a lot of work, if at all.

    But is it possible to create your own Iray shader (framework)? Isn't that something NVidia controls, so that all you can do is create presets based on their framework?

    Yes of course! You can make your own custom shaders for IRay as long as you stick to MDL code. Just import the base shader to shadowmixer and customize it. Even code your own MDL bricks? There are lots of PAs (Oso3D and others) that know how to do it. You should probably ask them, I'm just a user, although I've made a number of simple custom 3DL shaders in SM. Haven't had the courage to look into Shader Builder yet, life's too damn short:)

    Yea, that Shader Builder looks intimidating (and I don't like that node concept in general, so...). smiley

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    Haha another thread gone southlaugh, sorry about thatdevil, and tks Richard for chiming in;)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    and remember it only applies to DAZ studio

    a shader can actually mean anything in other softwares 

    Carrara it is what you call a material for example 

    the actual definition of the word is even more limited

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader

     

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020
    Chohole said:
    Sevrin said:
    Chohole said:
    Sevrin said:

    Come to think of it, a little closer to home, I find it annoying that people feel they have have to point out that "Daz" is the name of the company that owns the store and develops and publishes the software, while the software is called "Daz Studio".

    Daz also have  Bryce, Carrara and Hexagon in their stable of programs,  Studio is not alone on the software front..

    But they're not Daz Bryce, Daz Carrara or Daz Hexagon.  If they were to say "my studio crashed", there would be some ambiguity, but everyone knows what is meant when someone writes "my Daz crashed".  

    I disagree with you there.   It even confuses some of the newer CS staff when they are trying to decypher a help ticket.   And what everyone does understand,  or should understand is that Daz Srudio has always been referred to as DS  or D|S  since it's inception.   and DS is actually one key press less than Daz if people want a quick version.

    I don't know about other people, but I have mental inertia when trying to use the term "D|S".  Perhaps it would be easier if they renamed the product "D'Esse" or "Diesse".  At least it's a name and not just two letters with an unpronouncable "|" thing in the middle.indecision  And besides, anything sounds classier in French.  Even in mock French.

    And the argument against a simple "DS" is that it's too generic.  After all, DS could be an acronym for canine poo.devil  And now that I've pulled that out of the air, I will forever be thinking it whenever I use it.frown  Yeah, "Diesse" is much classier.yes

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    Dazudio

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    Dazudio

    Stustustudio!

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191
    Sevrin said:

    Dazudio

    Stustustudio!

    For the younglings:

  • hjakehjake Posts: 993
    edited August 2020

    Every concievable variation I could think of involving studio has been used. In my opinion, a new name would require a complete shift from generic terms associated with creativeness.

    Maybe following a bugs bunny theme the Promethean Acme Atelier for 3D  (PAA3).  cheeky

     

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020

    Everytime I see "seperate" chills run up my back.  Yet another word fallen prey to mispronunciation. crying  It's so easy to remember that there is "a rat" in "separate".

    It's [sep-a-rate] not [seper-ate]angry  

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    Studaz?

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    Studaz?

    Rhymes with a naughty Italian expression, but then everything probably rhymes with a naughty expression in some language.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020
    hjake said:

    Every concievable variation I could think of involving studio has been used. In my opinion, a new name would require a complete shift from generic terms associated with creativeness.

    Maybe following a bugs bunny theme the Promethean Acme Atelier for 3D  (PAA3).  cheeky

     

    What do the words "Blender", "Carrara" or "Hexagon" have to do with creativity?  Or for that matter, "Maya" or "Lightwave"?  "Diesse" is just as obscure and perhaps even more unique.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,865
    edited August 2020
    hjake said:

    Every concievable variation I could think of involving studio has been used. In my opinion, a new name would require a complete shift from generic terms associated with creativeness.

    Maybe following a bugs bunny theme the Promethean Acme Atelier for 3D  (PAA3).  cheeky

     

    What do the words "Blender", "Carrara" or "Hexagon" have to do with creativity?  Or for that matter, "Maya" or "Lightwave"?  "Diesse" is just as obscure and perhaps even more unique.

    Blenders are artists' (among others) tools, Carrara is a variety of marble used for sculpting (so 3D creative). Hexagon was so named because the developers (Eovia) were French, but of course it's also a basic geometric shape and so relevant to 3D modelling.

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  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    NVIATWAS 3D?

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    Sevrin said:

    Studaz?

    Rhymes with a naughty Italian expression, but then everything probably rhymes with a naughty expression in some language.

    Yes... Like the guy who was writing an official product manual and used Google to translate words he didn't know... Still doesn't understand, what's the problem with "muff" - He still thinks it's proper translation for a threaded socket

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    PerttiA said:
    Sevrin said:

    Studaz?

    Rhymes with a naughty Italian expression, but then everything probably rhymes with a naughty expression in some language.

    Yes... Like the guy who was writing an official product manual and used Google to translate words he didn't know... Still doesn't understand, what's the problem with "muff" - He still thinks it's proper translation for a threaded socket

    oh dear blush I stick my hands in mine when I am cold

  • markgoode77markgoode77 Posts: 343
    edited August 2020

    This will surely enrage my fellow grammar nazis, it's a recent newspaper article from the UK which explains why the full stop (or period, if you prefer) is falling out of use by the 'younger generation' because they see it as a symbol of aggression.

    Full stops have become the latest casualty of youthful sensitivity as experts say they can be “intimidating”.

    As teenagers and those in their early twenties, Generation Z, have grown up with phones in their hands, using short messages to communicate with one another, and the punctuation mark has fallen out of fashion and become a symbol of curt passive-aggression.

    Linguists have been debating the use of the full stop and why some young people interpret a correctly punctuated text as a sign of annoyance.

    Some argued that the full stop had become redundant, as a text was now ended simply by sending it, and the sentence did not need to be finished with a punctuation mark.

    Linguist Dr Lauren Fonteyn tweeted “If you send a text message without a full stop, it’s already obvious that you’ve concluded the message. So if you add that additional marker for completion, they will read something into it and it tends to be a falling intonation or negative tone.”

    If I send a text message (and I rarely do), it is sent with correct spelling and punctuation (inevitable typos excepted).  Am I old?

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    I admit to leaving off fullstops when typing on my ipad touchscreen, my previous post is an example, largely because it's awkward unlike something written with a pen and I am not submitting it to a professional destination such as a work client etc.

  • I admit to leaving off fullstops when typing on my ipad touchscreen, my previous post is an example, largely because it's awkward unlike something written with a pen and I am not submitting it to a professional destination such as a work client etc.

    Effects: sound of pitchfork being sharpened

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    I admit to leaving off fullstops when typing on my ipad touchscreen, my previous post is an example, largely because it's awkward unlike something written with a pen and I am not submitting it to a professional destination such as a work client etc.

    Effects: sound of pitchfork being sharpened

    good my heavy clay soil needs turning over, oh wait ...

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    PerttiA said:
    Sevrin said:

    Studaz?

    Rhymes with a naughty Italian expression, but then everything probably rhymes with a naughty expression in some language.

    Yes... Like the guy who was writing an official product manual and used Google to translate words he didn't know... Still doesn't understand, what's the problem with "muff" - He still thinks it's proper translation for a threaded socket

    oh dear blush I stick my hands in mine when I am cold

    Hmmm... Finding it hard to get any real work done with that mental image cheeky

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,990
    If I send a text message (and I rarely do), it is sent with correct spelling and punctuation (inevitable typos excepted).  Am I old?

    I can't say anything about physical age, but mentally You're younger than me, as I don't even have a mobile or smartphone to send text messages with, which I could send with correct spelling and punctuation to frustrate the everlasting **** out of modern age's youth.

  • This will surely enrage my fellow grammar nazis, it's a recent newspaper article from the UK which explains why the full stop (or period, if you prefer) is falling out of use by the 'younger generation' because they see it as a symbol of aggression.

    Full stops have become the latest casualty of youthful sensitivity as experts say they can be “intimidating”.

    As teenagers and those in their early twenties, Generation Z, have grown up with phones in their hands, using short messages to communicate with one another, and the punctuation mark has fallen out of fashion and become a symbol of curt passive-aggression.

    Linguists have been debating the use of the full stop and why some young people interpret a correctly punctuated text as a sign of annoyance.

    Some argued that the full stop had become redundant, as a text was now ended simply by sending it, and the sentence did not need to be finished with a punctuation mark.

    Linguist Dr Lauren Fonteyn tweeted “If you send a text message without a full stop, it’s already obvious that you’ve concluded the message. So if you add that additional marker for completion, they will read something into it and it tends to be a falling intonation or negative tone.”

    If I send a text message (and I rarely do), it is sent with correct spelling and punctuation (inevitable typos excepted).  Am I old?

    On the other hand, we don't usually add full stops to titles or headings since their limits are clear. I can see why a text message would be the same (and in fact I rarelty add a final full stop in chats, though I will use them before the end if the text contains more than one sentence).

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020

    This will surely enrage my fellow grammar nazis, it's a recent newspaper article from the UK which explains why the full stop (or period, if you prefer) is falling out of use by the 'younger generation' because they see it as a symbol of aggression.

    Full stops have become the latest casualty of youthful sensitivity as experts say they can be “intimidating”.

    As teenagers and those in their early twenties, Generation Z, have grown up with phones in their hands, using short messages to communicate with one another, and the punctuation mark has fallen out of fashion and become a symbol of curt passive-aggression.

    Linguists have been debating the use of the full stop and why some young people interpret a correctly punctuated text as a sign of annoyance.

    Some argued that the full stop had become redundant, as a text was now ended simply by sending it, and the sentence did not need to be finished with a punctuation mark.

    Linguist Dr Lauren Fonteyn tweeted “If you send a text message without a full stop, it’s already obvious that you’ve concluded the message. So if you add that additional marker for completion, they will read something into it and it tends to be a falling intonation or negative tone.”

    If I send a text message (and I rarely do), it is sent with correct spelling and punctuation (inevitable typos excepted).  Am I old?

    Well, if one's writing skills are limited to single sentences at a time I can see the point or absence of point (pun intended).  But for those of us who have more than one thought at a time and can string them together into paragraphs, there is purpose in the point.yes  And don't forget the double space before the beginning of the next sentence.  And fie on the text tool that automatically squeezes out double spaces between sentences.angry

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681

    ...

    If I send a text message (and I rarely do), it is sent with correct spelling and punctuation (inevitable typos excepted).  Am I old?

    Maybe, but you're also civilized.  Heck, I even consider it a courtesy.  Also, I still hand write some messages in cursive.

  • hjakehjake Posts: 993
    edited August 2020

    NVIATWAS 3D?

    Okay yes! That should be the new name for DAZ Studio. Let us harken back to the era of clean and simple scene design.  cheeky

    We could pronounce it " n - via - twaz - 3D"    It even goes well when paired with nvidia.

     

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    hjake said:

    NVIATWAS 3D?

    Okay yes! That should be the new name for DAZ Studio. Let us harken back to the era of clean and simple scene design.  cheeky

    We could pronounce it " n - via - twaz - 3D"    It even goes well when paired with nvidia.

     

    "Envy it was" ?

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,648
    edited August 2020

    Eh, I'll delete my response, it would just get people arguing again and thinking I'm something I'm not.

    But use periods when typing multiple sentences for heaven's sake.

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  • One could be more efficient and only communicate via emoji, gifs, and memes.

    yes

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681

    One could be more efficient and only communicate via emoji, gifs, and memes.

    yes

    Explain that statement with only emojis, gifs, & memes.indecision

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