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In your DIM setup, temporarily change your Manifest Archive (Installation tab) to some other location. Next refresh, DIM will not find any installed products, and if you don't have the zip in the Package Archive (the download folder), they should show up in the Ready To Download list. Select all and download away. Well, maybe not ALL, try a couple dozen at a time. Don't forget to restore the Manifest Archive folder before installing anything. Refresh DIM, and all products should return to normal status.
I have not actually done this intentionally (takes too long to test out), but I have accidentally checked "Delete Package Once Installed", and the only way to get the zip back with DIM was to uninstall that particular product. So, if you fool DIM into thinking it is not installed, and you do not have a copy of the original zip, it should show up again.
Oh man, thanks! I'll give that a shot, I've managed to get through seven pages manually and it's been... well. It's been a thing. Seven pages, 44GB, 395 individual files, and my belief that I have a bulging disc very much strengthened.
In the Old Times, i.e. yesterday, I just deleted the installed packages because my hard drive is tiny and space is at a premium (I already have trouble with Daz taking up nearly half of it and my concern about breaking old projects and conversions if I remove the initial library from content management; I've got an up to date one elsewhere). Now it looks like I'll be downloading in batches promptly moving them to another location once they're installed.
Cora, my downloads are still averaging 160- 200+ mbps on average and other than a 9mbps about four days ago, it hasn't slowed. I have found unplugging the modem and router (like what you do when you lose internet) and restarting the computer can sometimes bring a sluggish system back up to par. Try that and see if you are still getting slow speeds? I've been downloading all afternoon at 200+ so it isn't the site unless we're on different servers? (Edit- I just tested it, it's still speedy. See attachment.)
I filed a ticket under Technical Support and, FWIW, I specified "Website Issue" for the Tech Ticket Tracker.
I download all my purchases—regardless of where I purchase from—to this computer on an external drive. I also store those files on an internal drive of my render machine. The idea of depending on a company's website to store items I've paid for has never seemed like a good idea to me. (Yeah, that includes cloud storage.)
For whatever reason, the Daz website is a perpetual thorn in my side. On both of my computers, I cannot use the Daz site specifically and any other page at the same time. Daz demands ALL of the bandwidth available, even just to browse, and will freeze up every single browser tab while it waits to resolve something. Admittedly I'm stuck using wifi upstairs and there's a lot of interference, but even with that taken into consideration I should still be able to get around 300Mbps (~38Mb/s) down over wifi. The thing is that even over that awful wifi, downloads through DIM usually happen significantly faster than ones through the site itself, which have been coming in at 80Mbps (10Mb/s) or less this evening. Sometimes they'll perk up a little, then go right back to downloading a 900MB file, 2MB at a time.
My system is due for a reboot, so I'll do that for thoroughness, but I'm currently getting around 900Mbps down at the box itself and 300Mbps up here. Part of it is that I need a better mesh network (they provided some dual-band units that are absolute garbage), but part of it is the site itself.
It's one more reason I want nothing to do with Central or anything that pushes Central.
I'm not defending the change, but what are some of you doing with your product library that this is such a problem? I almost never look at mine.
For some products, it doesn't tell you what figure it is for. The description often does that. Along the time they introduced the Genesis 8 line, they were pretty good at having Genesis 8 in the title. But that's not always the case. And texture sets don't always have the product they relate to in the title. Then they introduced Iray, so a description will tell you what products are now including that too, but also what works otherwise. The list goes on.
Edit- also, some promos wrongly include things which aren't included, and the description helps eliminate those things.
I know quite a few people who use Daz3D content for commercial purposes and so need to be able to look up what products were purchased, when, and how much they spent on it, etc, for billing clients or for taxes, etc. People also find issues with products and need to be able to find out when exactly they ordered it to see if they are still within the one-month return policy period.
I could list 20 reasons but here is one. Some purchases really need to have 4.12 to work, like Face Transfer Unlimited, but others don't, yet as Daz releases a new version it repopulates compatible software to be whatever the latest version is, and lo an behold runtime poser needs 4.12. Until one week ago we knew that was not always the case. If I bought headshop 11 and screenshot the date, I could calculate when the versions were released and know what version worked with it and know it works for Daz 4.10 and if I needed to utilize my plug in purchased with my hard cold cash, because I wanted to use it, I would what versions to retain on certain PC. As I mentioned in an earlier post the store credit for return policies are time stamped for 30 days. Timestamps are essentials for most humans regarless of vocation (especially DAZ SUPPORT HELP). I refuse to accept DAZ Central. Renderosity may become my new go-to.
I (curious, optimistic, foolish) tried out Daz Central when it first came out and was still called 'beta'. After I realised that it couldn't cope with custom directories or outside content, and it kept insisting on installing Studio, I uninstalled it and found out it had screwed up my DIM install paths (I install by hand, but use DIM to keep track of updates). It turned out that it had not just messed up DIM, and I ended up having to uninstall Studio and remove any reference to DAZ from the registry, before I could get Studio and DIM working again. At least my content directories were intact and I didn't have to reinstall those.
I'm certainly not letting Daz Central anywhere near my system again, and as I said before in the days of encrypted connect, if this is the way forward for DAZ I'll be saving a lot of money.
One thing I will say they got right- putting the link to the Product Page at the top and not buried in the page. Depending on the description, some of those page links are really far down the page. I like having that at the TOP of the page under the title.
Or it's at the top now because everything else above it has been removed.
Anyone else lose access to dim?
The Product Page WAS a useful tool for several reasons stated above. Now it's simply a misguided advert for Daz Central. What a poor exchange for the customer. It feels like someone at Daz has decided we should all use Daz Central and they're using any way they can to push it. I'm quite fed up now. That doesn't encourage to stay and spend.
Still works for me ...
...indeed, this is particularly important for those of us who manually download and have custom library/runtime structures.
Besides the screen "real estate" it takes up, the other reasons I don't use Smart Content is that the database has corruption issues and the fact I have a fair amount of products/freebies that don't have metadata..
...I would normally, but some sort of conflict between my system and the DIM developed when using it online which began around 10 months ago to the point it became useless. I no longer bother updating it as whneI did, it wouldwipe out all my installation paths and reset them to the "factory default" every time. I now only use it offline to preform basic installs.
...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.
I keep a seperate database for purchases that I built from the info in the Library. That way I can keep notes and search that text. I would appreciate the return of that data plus the order numer and date (which I also keep in the database).
As for DAZ Central in its current form it is not useful since I install by categories. (Pre-Gen, Genesis+, Past/Fantasy, Modern/Timeless, Future/SciFi, Environment/Utilities, Animals/Singles) If Central supported there I would reconsider using it.
The version of DIM I'm using on my offline computer is close to two years old now. It hasn't phoned home since two holiday seasons ago. Somehow, it's still able to work just fine in offline mode, as is my Daz install which was last updated around that time.
As to how I'm somehow able to still use an older version of DIM has been explained by others, but essentially I manually place the product packages that I manually download from the Daz3D website into the DIM Install folder, then run DIM in offline mode and it does it's thing just fine. Of course, I'm probably missing out on a few product updates, but as long as the product works well enough already this isn't really a significant issue for me.
DIM also hasn't 'glitched' in almost two years now. Knock on wood, but my theory is that since I don't have things being changed under the hood in my system by allowing Daz Studio to connect to the internet, well this reduces the risk of the DIM database unintentionally being disrupted by an update, be it on the Daz Studio end or the Windows Update end. Or via some virus or overzealous anti-malware or something.
There's a few things that my 'Daily Driver' Daz Studio install currently can't handle, namely hairs that take advantage of the latest hair functionality that was added in 4.11/4.12, but my plan has been to not worry about that until my next rendering computer is built. I have a newer Daz install ready to go on an external drive, but I haven't accessed that install for a few months now. Gotta luv COVID disrupting income streams... I could update my Daz Studio install on that computer, but I'm a fan of leaving well enough alone, and the recent changes haven't all been good IMHO.
My biggest issue ATM is that there's only about 30GB of storage space left on the drive that currently hosts my Daz install, so now I have a backlog of products that I haven't installed as there's not enough space left on that drive. Almost all of the 1.81 TB on that drive is dedicated to Daz stuff, except for Windows and a few other programs = probably less than 150 GB in total is used by other programs. Most of the other stuff I do using those other programs (mainly Photoshop) is saved on other drives. Even my relatively tiny game library is being hosted on a separate drive. So in short, I'm shopping for a 4TB NVME drive ATM... Sabrent makes those.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand. As others have pointed out, the functionality that used to be in the store where you could see the purchase date of a product on the product library page, as well as the order number, can be important sometimes, as explained by @3Diva and others.
I THINK I can see what the Daz3D store software developers may be going for with changing a few things. The Manual Download and Install Manager buttons are a bit larger and more prominent now, with more white space around them. I'm guessing this is for touch screen functionality, where fat fingers and buttons that are packed more tightly together may not play well with each other. And as long as the 'Daz Central' paragraph is just a temporary placeholder, and as long as that text eventually gets replaced by the previous product description text that used to be there, as long as that other text is restored soon...
That being said, I prefer the old layout, and think that a happy medium could be achieved here very easily. If the goal was to make it more tablet/touchscreen user friendly, there are ways to increase the space around objects and make them more readable that wouldn't require a top to bottom redesign of the page. Anyone that has designed their own web pages knows what I'm talking about here, not specifically but in general web design terms.
I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change. I get that some people have to justify their jobs, and changing things makes it look like they are doing stuff, but there's a lot of wisdom in 'Leave Well Enough Alone'... No doubt the Daz3D store software is in need of a long overdue update, but the way things were done product library wise were working just fine for a lot of us, so hopefully the backlash towards the latest changes are sinking in.
There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.
I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).
Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.
Except that people who do have Daz Central installed confirmed that the files really weren't available that way either. It really was that the file association (the way the system knows which files go with which product) had failed, not part of a conspiracy.
Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.
And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.
The files are still there but for whatever reason they're labeled "Daz Studio" now...
I suppose Daz wanted to separate files for programs like blender and C4D from files for DS, and forgot about Poser...
Yep look closely. Under DAZ Studio there is a file that is labeled (in small print) PS
Vue files are also under DAZ studio and smalll print Vue underneath.
And some files, like V3, you can only download and unzip to find out what it is, no extra information.
Older generic installers now appear to be DAZ Studio only. It's all rather confusing, prefer the old way. We all cried out for reliable store software, with less hickups during sales, not for a new fuzzy layout.
I agree that the current version of the Product Page is bad. In the past I have referred to the Product Page for information on some items. I brought up another problem that people have apparently ignored. Poser versions of products are listed as DAZ Studio versions in large type. But the file name itself indicates it is a Poser file version. I discovered this problem when I went searching for Poser files only.
I've gone through all my products, and organized the files under categories (Genesis 8 People, etc.) Now I can instantly find the originals that I want. This is much better than the way DIM just throws everything into one pile.
Carrara-only items like Howie's older sets are also labeled "Daz Studio" despite having absolutely no DS files. If you just look at the product library you have no idea this is a Carrara product.
Daz probably set "Daz Studio" for everything which wasn't native files for one of the newly interfaced programs. Not their most brilliant idea....
It's a good update. It's a download page, nobody read the description of the product.