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  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,070

    Cayman Studios said:

    Hylas said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Hylas said:

    Used one of Cayman's Legacy UV products on a G8.1 - the scripts don't work ("Prepare Genesis 8") but you can still make the product work with some manual fiddling. Slightly more laborous but not really difficult.

    Ahhh I didn't realize it was script based. 

    One can use the product without the scripts. But the scrips are a helpful shortcut, perhaps there will be an update? Would be lovely.

    I have done updates for all four Genesis 8 Female Legacy UVs products, and they should be available now for DIM and other download methods.  The scripts had to be altered slightly, and there are new UVs for the 8.1 Eyelashes mesh.  But the operation should be pretty much as before. 

    Fantastic, thank you!

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436

    RCTSpanky said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    RCTSpanky said:

    If 8.1 is "just" an update, why did we need to pay again for her the full price, when we own Victoria 8 or one of her bundles?

    Genesis 8.1 Female is free. Victoria 8.1 is a new character that uses Genesis 8.1 Female, it isn't an update of Victoria 8 (anymore than Victoria 8 was an update of Victoria 7). Each named character is a new entity, even if it is in the style of a previous character of the same name.

    So, she is no update, but why did the webssite say, she is... very confusing.

    I have also updated my DAZ Studio via the Install Manager with the updated Starter Sets and the latest Studio Version, but can't find any basic 8.1 character? More questions than helpful answers.

    Genesis 8.1 Female is an updated version, that does not replace, Genesis 8 Female - it has new surface goruping and a new UV set, alongside the existing ones. Victoria 8.1 is a new character.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436

    beyonder2k9 said:

    At least you can use daz, I keep getting this error: DAZStudio.exe caused ACCESS_VIOLATION in module "C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\plugins\dzshaderbuilder.dll" at 0033:000000009C7CE67B And NO I didn't send a ticket because it isn't MY issue

    Is this DS 4.15.x.x?

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414

    Cayman Studios said:

    Hylas said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Hylas said:

    Used one of Cayman's Legacy UV products on a G8.1 - the scripts don't work ("Prepare Genesis 8") but you can still make the product work with some manual fiddling. Slightly more laborous but not really difficult.

    Ahhh I didn't realize it was script based. 

    One can use the product without the scripts. But the scrips are a helpful shortcut, perhaps there will be an update? Would be lovely.

    I have done updates for all four Genesis 8 Female Legacy UVs products, and they should be available now for DIM and other download methods.  The scripts had to be altered slightly, and there are new UVs for the 8.1 Eyelashes mesh.  But the operation should be pretty much as before. 

    awesome, thank you ^^ 

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,997

    ChangelingChick said:

    takezo_3001 said:

    Aside from the exclusion of the advertised vellus hair, (My sole issue) G/V8.1 works magnificently, as both figures are usable with GOZ, V8.1's shaders look alright as well, though it's effects are muted with the specular rendering mode, but so is the default shaders for G/V8... Even Zev0 himself is working to update the characters the future's looking bright!

    Hopefully, K.H.Image studio's Ultimate body morphs series for anatomically accurate body bends will be released for V8.1, so all and all G/V8.1 has not been as much as a disrupted change!

    I don't have any of those, but have you loaded G8.1 to check them out? They should work on her already if you're in DS 4.15. 

    As far as the UBMG8 for G8.1, yes, they work as intended, but only partially for V8.1 as there's still some issues with the knees and elbows mainly, I'm just hoping that K.H.Image studio releases a V8.1 version! And yes, I cannot recommend these morphs enough as they are mandatory for my renders as they are **anatomically correct which is imperative for any realistic composition of the human form!

    **(Not sexual organs BTW)

  • cimenroller2cimenroller2 Posts: 76

    I wonder how Micheal 8.1 going to be like.

  • marth_emarth_e Posts: 182

    I'm glad they fixed the eyes UVs layout. For me the main problem with previous generations were precisely the eyes. They almost always look fake and dead. Now with this new UV layout the eyes will look much more realistic as they allow a perfect transition between the pupil to the iris to the sclera and it makes it also so much easier to create new textures.

    On the other hand, there seems to be a problem with the so called "Enhanced Power Pose Panel for Face". When I click on the face power pose template it just doesn't load. Has anyone been able to load it?

     

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,209
    edited January 2021

    Okay, played around with 8.1, first of all, I love these new expressions that came with it. I tested them a character I was morphing on G8F, and she looks great. (Expressions were the 8.1 ones and the DO ones for regular G8F).

    The bad news, 8.1 takes longer to load. I think that's mostly because it loads at a higher resolution. Also, I initially made the mistake of just clicking on the 8.1 button (the icon looks terrible with that squished in .1 in it) and that took a while because of the eyelashes and those tears. I think the load times would get faster the more I use it. I think that happened when I updated DS to 4.14.

    I need to figure out how to use this new shader. I forgot to do a render when I tried it, but I did that CTRL + load and the lips look really good in Iray preview. This render isn't with new shader. It's just how Maddelirium set up her MDD Brianne G8F's skin.

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,677

    Frinkky said:

    Artini said:

    Gensis 8.1 Female with ears from https://www.daz3d.com/alidreaux-for-genesis-8-female and skin from https://www.daz3d.com/babina-8

     

    Show hidden properties on the hair and dial the ear morph back to zero should prevent it following the ears - ear morphs in general should really have auto-follow turned off...

    Thanks, I did not know, that it is possible at all.

     

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 403

    From V8.1 Product Page

    "Key advancements with the Genesis 8.1-based Victoria 8.1 include...Other Improvements (Read More) Fine, short hairs are added to the female face and body..."

    Also, a screenshot from the campaign page.

    Maybe reword it to say "Sold separately"?

     

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  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,522

    5 minutes to load G8F 8.1

    10+ minutes to load Victoria 8.1

    This could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship... >_>

  • rayglendenningrayglendenning Posts: 137

    Mr Bowen said:

    I will comment about the new hair. I read it as it came with it, too. That is disappointing to find it is not.

    This is the issue with this UPDATE which annoys the hell out of me.

  • S_MongerS_Monger Posts: 48

    Richard Haseltine said:

    S_Monger said:

    Was there supposed to be an essential pack with the Gen 8.1 update?  I haven't had a chance to read through all 15 pages yet, but when I went to test the figure all I had was base Genesis 8.1 female/shape/base skin and no other new skins.   Am I missing anything or is that what came with the update?

    No, just an update for Genesis 8 Starter Essentials and for the Default Resources (for the new shader).

    Thanks for answering.   Did a quickie render of Gen 8.1 (9% complete for time).  Seems a bit jittery trying to manually pose... Had to throw together a vampire expression since the others I have don't work.

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  • evilded777evilded777 Posts: 2,465
    edited January 2021

    Valkeerie said:

    There is so much negativity on this thread it is difficult to judge what is going on. So here we have

     - Studio 4.15
     - 8.1 base figure
     - BJ Noemi Morphs
     - BJ Noemi skin
     - OOT hair (chosen to keep the face clear)

    So I can use G8 as before, and I can use G8 content on G8.1 should I choose. If I use G8.1 as a base I get the new expression  stuff, and I can use the Face Control interface. Which is cool. The only thing to note is the new eyelashes, which are a little OTT, but I could have removed them and used the Noemi set instead.

    All this is orthogonal to the decision of whether or not to purchase Victoria 8.1 and the other items. The figure is okay, the other items are weak.

    So my interpretation of the new changes is "small earthquake, not many dead"

    Wowza.  And I don't even like girls....

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  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152

    I'm not buying any content (for 8.1 or any other figure) that is not going to work on Genesis 8/3/2.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,677
    edited January 2021

    Genesis 8.1 with skin from https://www.daz3d.com/alexandra-8

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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Thank you for the update, Daz! I really appreciate all your hard work! I'm looking forward to learning more about 8.1's new features! laughheartyes 

  • emoryahlbergemoryahlberg Posts: 133
    edited January 2021

    Does anyone know if Auto Face Enchancer / Auto Body Enhancer works with 8.1?

    I'm especially curious on how Auto Face Enhancer may combine with the new FACS system to improve the expressions even more. 

     

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  • thd777thd777 Posts: 943
    edited January 2021

    I quite like the update and the new version of Victoria. It is easy to use any of the 8.0 characters and clothing. They just work. One can also convert everything to the new SkinPBR shader with a little bit of map moving and adjusting. Here is one of my favorite G8F characters (a modiffied version of Sangiart's Emmeline) loaded onto G8.1 and Skinshader switched to the new one.

    Ciao

    TD

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,041

    Someone posted comparison of Demon Dog original vs. PBRSkin. Something seemed off.

    Here's my take; the right is PBRSkin only on the skin (IE: not eyes, teeth, horns), mostly using settings from Victoria 8.1 skin. I had to darken translucency color a little and lower dual lobe weight, but otherwise fairly straightforward. I could also have played with microtexture more, and it really gives me ideas for things to experiment with in other skins.

  • JB007JB007 Posts: 118

    Ok, another "Idiot" question from me .. 

    How are people using the UVs from other models on G8.1?? Whenever I apply a texture - the new "Head" surface contains the genitals from the Torso which, let's face it, having your genitals on your head is never a good look!!!

     

     

  • charlescharles Posts: 849
    edited January 2021

    Well I got NGV8 and Expansion to work sort of by doing a fit transfer from G8 to G8.1 and reapplying maps and stuff.

    The new head and body uv mapping is a great idea for details...but....for doing my own skin texturing this is going to require a new work flow, probably through substance (haven't tried yet.)

    Good news the PA's will have a bonanza for new content!

    I honestly thought of just scrapping the entire 8.1 when faced with the UV geoshell issues but I am pretty sure this will be what is pushed into the front. So I'll just make a new pot of coffee and get to work.

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  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,662

    Thanks Changling...as to the issues I referred to, I see posts all over the tech forum, people having problems with things not working or don't work correctly and DIM as well. Since the shaders you're referring to are most likely Iray, not an issue since I try very hard not to use any Iray. I have a 15 yr old computer and I'm still trying to get dforce to work on it, which is the only reason I upgraded from 4.10 to 4.12.

    For anyone suggesting buying a new computer, (new case with secondhand motherboard $350, second hand cpu $600, secondhand 2080ti graphics card $1000 if lucky, 16 gigs ram $200 or more if I want more ram, secondhand monitor (cause my 19" is to small) $200 - $300.) Ya I'll get right on that after asking my landlord if I can skip rent for the next 6 months...during a currently now year long pandemic. Apparenlty everyone but me has that kind of money to throw around.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,822

    JB007 said:

    Ok, another "Idiot" question from me .. 

    How are people using the UVs from other models on G8.1?? Whenever I apply a texture - the new "Head" surface contains the genitals from the Torso which, let's face it, having your genitals on your head is never a good look!!!

    Which version of DS do you use?
  • JB007JB007 Posts: 118

    Leana said:

    JB007 said:

    Ok, another "Idiot" question from me .. 

    How are people using the UVs from other models on G8.1?? Whenever I apply a texture - the new "Head" surface contains the genitals from the Torso which, let's face it, having your genitals on your head is never a good look!!!

    Which version of DS do you use?

    4.15.0.2 .. downloaded and installed through DIM today ..  

  • JeremionJeremion Posts: 46

    Hello, cool update. Do you know when the male 8.1 will be released ?

  • emoryahlbergemoryahlberg Posts: 133

    Oso3D said:

    Someone posted comparison of Demon Dog original vs. PBRSkin. Something seemed off.

    Here's my take; the right is PBRSkin only on the skin (IE: not eyes, teeth, horns), mostly using settings from Victoria 8.1 skin. I had to darken translucency color a little and lower dual lobe weight, but otherwise fairly straightforward. I could also have played with microtexture more, and it really gives me ideas for things to experiment with in other skins.

    I think you forgot your picture. smiley

  • emoryahlbergemoryahlberg Posts: 133

    thd777 said:

    I quite like the update and the new version of Victoria. It is easy to use any of the 8.0 characters and clothing. They just work. One can also convert everything to the new SkinPBR shader with a little bit of map moving and adjusting. Here is one of my favorite G8F characters (a modiffied version of Sangiart's Emmeline) loaded onto G8.1 and Skinshader switched to the new one.

    Ciao

    TD

     

    Looks great!

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,025
    edited January 2021

    Daikatana said:

    OK, after reading through this thread, I have three points to put forward:

    1) G8.1/Victoria 8.1is more of an update with extended/changed functionality than a completely new figure.  Not sure why we should be paying full price for an updated version.  Also the neck seam issue and the issue surrounding geoshells ( used most often for makeup and tattoos) are problematic to say the least.

    Victoria 8.1 costs the same as the other core characters, I think, and she herself is an entirely new character--not because she's 8.1, but because she's a new sculpt with her own bundle and addons and that's the price they charge for those. They seem to have used the Victoria 8 name to mark the 8.1 release, but she's basically just the first original character released with 8.1 features and not an upgrade to the original Victoria 8 figure. 

    GF8.1, on the other hand, is a 1:1 upgrade for the original G8F figure. It probably would have caused less confusion if they'd released both the male and female base figures up front and concentrated all messaging on the base upgrade. 

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,388

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    Thanks Changling...as to the issues I referred to, I see posts all over the tech forum, people having problems with things not working or don't work correctly and DIM as well. Since the shaders you're referring to are most likely Iray, not an issue since I try very hard not to use any Iray. I have a 15 yr old computer and I'm still trying to get dforce to work on it, which is the only reason I upgraded from 4.10 to 4.12.

    For anyone suggesting buying a new computer, (new case with secondhand motherboard $350, second hand cpu $600, secondhand 2080ti graphics card $1000 if lucky, 16 gigs ram $200 or more if I want more ram, secondhand monitor (cause my 19" is to small) $200 - $300.) Ya I'll get right on that after asking my landlord if I can skip rent for the next 6 months...during a currently now year long pandemic. Apparenlty everyone but me has that kind of money to throw around.

    No, many of us don't have that kind of money.

    I loaded G8.1 on D/S4.12. I copied "some" morphs AND "autofit clones" from G8F's data folder to G8.1F's data folder ... and so far, seems to be working. I'm sure there'll be quirks along the ways but that's par for the course.

    The only thing so far I'm having issue with is that there seems to be no way to save the expressions made with that expression device gizmo that comes with 8.1.

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