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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    I was very confused when I first heard about bitcoin. But I have heard some interesting stories since then. For people who live in countries with a weak local currency, it can be very helpful. If your country is going bankrupt (like what happened to Greece) or if the currency in your area deals with a lot of inflation (Venezuela) or if it's hard to get US dollars (Nigeria), you can turn to bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies to protect your money and build new wealth. Some countries have financial problems because of poor decision-making or corruption in the government, and cryptocurrency helps get around those problems. So for people in some parts of Africa (just for example), Bitcoin might be your source of hope for a better life. 

    Is it problematic? Absolutely. Is it pointless? Not at all.  

    I do think the price of bitcoin will fall, but that is an uneducated guess. However, I don't think cryptocurrency is going away anytime soon. If we can come up with solutions around the impact on the climate and crime, I think it can be a really good thing. Just my 2 cents. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    melissastjames said:

    certaintree38 said:

    melissastjames said:

    What's this NFT nonsense? More crypto-stuff I'll never understand? 

    Daz is releasing NFT Shudus, whatever that means. Can't go into details on how we know. NFTs are explained in a stickied thread here in the commons. Boy, are people mad. 

    Yeah, that thread does literally nothing to help me understand what NFT is. Put it this way...I tried reading a Bitcoin For Dummies article and I still coulnd't understand it. And I'm not a stupid person.  

    Right there with ya. 

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Taoz said:

    Not that I want to defend any of that crypto stuff, but it appears that the shortage of GPUs and other electronic components may have other reasons as well:
     

    Yeah, I should have added hedging language to that statement for sure. The one time I don't! blush

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 2,674
    edited March 2021

    melissastjames said:

    Yeah, that thread does literally nothing to help me understand what NFT is. Put it this way...I tried reading a Bitcoin For Dummies article and I still coulnd't understand it. And I'm not a stupid person.  

    You may not be stupid, but proof-of-work crypto and NFTs are, which is the problem with trying to understand them. If you're expecting them to make any sense, to be a rational approach to the problems out there, they are not. It took me ages to actually get it, because the reality was so stupid I was rejecting it as obviously wrong.

    The broad concept of an NFT is a unique transferable digital token. That's all the NFT actually is.

    In terms of how it relates to artworks, it's mostly on the same level as having a piece of paper that has "The Mona Lisa" written on it in terms of how much it actually legally means, whether or not the person who wrote that actually had any form of rights relating to the Mona Lisa, or any guarantee that you're the only one who has a piece of paper saying "The Mona Lisa" on it.

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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Matt_Castle said:

    You may not be stupid, but proof-of-work crypto and NFTs are, which is the problem with trying to understand them. If you're expecting them to make any sense, to be a rational approach to the problems out there, they are not. It took me ages to actually get it, because the reality was so stupid I was rejecting it as obviously wrong.

    The broad concept of an NFT is a unique transferable digital token. That's all the NFT actually is.

    In terms of how it relates to artworks, it's mostly on the same level as having a piece of paper that has "The Mona Lisa" written on it in terms of how much it actually legally means, whether or not the person who wrote that actually had any form of rights relating to the Mona Lisa, or any guarantee that you're the only one who has a piece of paper saying "The Mona Lisa" on it.

    ....Yeah. Yup. Yes. 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    I'm not often glad that I'm old but when I read about Crypto-whatevers I am somewhat relieved that I will not have to deal with that in my future. I have a small state pension with nothing to invest and I am increasingly seeing that as a blessing.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    melissastjames said:

    Yeah, that thread does literally nothing to help me understand what NFT is. Put it this way...I tried reading a Bitcoin For Dummies article and I still coulnd't understand it. And I'm not a stupid person.  

    You may not be stupid, but proof-of-work crypto and NFTs are, which is the problem with trying to understand them. If you're expecting them to make any sense, to be a rational approach to the problems out there, they are not. It took me ages to actually get it, because the reality was so stupid I was rejecting it as obviously wrong.

    The broad concept of an NFT is a unique transferable digital token. That's all the NFT actually is.

    In terms of how it relates to artworks, it's mostly on the same level as having a piece of paper that has "The Mona Lisa" written on it in terms of how much it actually legally means, whether or not the person who wrote that actually had any form of rights relating to the Mona Lisa, or any guarantee that you're the only one who has a piece of paper saying "The Mona Lisa" on it.

    My personal favorite definition I've seen so far is "autographed link shortener"

    But really it's all just the ultimate apotheosis of how the stock market works - stock value is based on feelings and the connection to anything tangible grows more tenuous by the day. NFTs are just particularly tenuous.
  • Shudu, The Digitals premier model, made a big splash as a virtual model back in 2017 when she debuted. You know she’s quasi-mainstream when she has her own Wikipedia entry and controversy written in The New Yorker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/shudu-gram-is-a-white-mans-digital-projection-of-real-life-black-womanhood

    I’ll be the first to admit, Shudu as probably one of the first really photorealistic figures I saw made in DAZ. She also has a 200K+ followers on Instagram.

    J

  • savagestugsavagestug Posts: 178

    Everytime I come to Daz I care about this product a little less. Giant pink ad not giving me warm and fuzzies...

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,643

    I could tell just from the URL that that New Yorker article was going to be ridiculous. God forbid a white guy creates a black virtual character. Hope no one expects this white guy to abandon his.  ;)

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100

    Sevrin said:

    That's quite the animation.  Will we be getting an outfit consisting of roses sort of but not really covering breasts?

    I wrote a script once for some armor assembly scenes where you could mark "things which must not be seen" on a character and it would make sure that "flying objects" would always block the path to the camera.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    At least all the debate has been entertaining. A few of the forum regulars have had me laughing out loud today. 

     

  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 1,216

    Well, if there is one thing I believe in with all my heart it's that when I buy digital goods, I want to also cause maximum damage to the environment. Finally a product for me, a Captain Planet villain.

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,147

    A new character (or whatever is on the way) is nice to have and all,,,but,,

    I really wish Daz would put the weight of us millions of users around the world(check bottom of current home page for reference) behind getting us a reasonable supply for those RTX 3000 series GPUs instead.

    I have a bunch of great content.It's hardware I can't obtain by myself.I'd rather see some kind of hardware purchasing program for the GPUs we need. 3 Million users is a lot of money when you're talking about $300-$1,500 GPUs.

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,498
    edited March 2021

    IceCrMn said:

    A new character (or whatever is on the way) is nice to have and all,,,but,,

    I really wish Daz would put the weight of us millions of users around the world(check bottom of current home page for reference) behind getting us a reasonable supply for those RTX 3000 series GPUs instead.

    I have a bunch of great content.It's hardware I can't obtain by myself.I'd rather see some kind of hardware purchasing program for the GPUs we need. 3 Million users is a lot of money when you're talking about $300-$1,500 GPUs.

    When chip shortages are affecting entities as big as entire global car manufacturers, I sadly don't think there is any sway for Daz to procure any stock :)

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    IceCrMn said:

    A new character (or whatever is on the way) is nice to have and all,,,but,,

    I really wish Daz would put the weight of us millions of users around the world(check bottom of current home page for reference) behind getting us a reasonable supply for those RTX 3000 series GPUs instead.

    I have a bunch of great content.It's hardware I can't obtain by myself.I'd rather see some kind of hardware purchasing program for the GPUs we need. 3 Million users is a lot of money when you're talking about $300-$1,500 GPUs.

    When chip shortages are affecting entities as big as entire global car manufacturers, I sadly don't think there is any sway for Daz to procure any stock :)

    Not with that kind of attitude! 

  • Sevrin said:

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    IceCrMn said:

    A new character (or whatever is on the way) is nice to have and all,,,but,,

    I really wish Daz would put the weight of us millions of users around the world(check bottom of current home page for reference) behind getting us a reasonable supply for those RTX 3000 series GPUs instead.

    I have a bunch of great content.It's hardware I can't obtain by myself.I'd rather see some kind of hardware purchasing program for the GPUs we need. 3 Million users is a lot of money when you're talking about $300-$1,500 GPUs.

    When chip shortages are affecting entities as big as entire global car manufacturers, I sadly don't think there is any sway for Daz to procure any stock :)

    Not with that kind of attitude! 

    Hahaha yes, believe me I'd be at the front of the queue if Daz had a pile of 3090's going. 

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    I'm a little irritated that the promo video includes something that is banned from image posting in the forum. I.e. the flower pasties over the models nipples.

    Normally I would just keep my mouth shut, but it is personally insulting after having been issued a written warning for doing this. And when I was, it was because I was trying to assist another user and had used a black bar to block out said parts.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    Jason Galterio said:

    I'm a little irritated that the promo video includes something that is banned from image posting in the forum. I.e. the flower pasties over the models nipples.

    Normally I would just keep my mouth shut, but it is personally insulting after having been issued a written warning for doing this. And when I was, it was because I was trying to assist another user and had used a black bar to block out said parts.

    Naw, those are Nicely Flowered, uh, Tokens. 

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    Sevrin said:

    Jason Galterio said:

    I'm a little irritated that the promo video includes something that is banned from image posting in the forum. I.e. the flower pasties over the models nipples.

    Normally I would just keep my mouth shut, but it is personally insulting after having been issued a written warning for doing this. And when I was, it was because I was trying to assist another user and had used a black bar to block out said parts.

    Naw, those are Nicely Flowered, uh, Tokens. 

    :)

    I'm just not impressed. The video exemplifies everything that the detractors say about the software.

    The emotionless, staring at nothing face. The video that serves no purpose but for cheesecake.

    DAZ says don't do "this" in the forum, then does it themselves on the front page.

    It just sends the wrong message to everyone; customers, potential customers, and casual visitors.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,172

    DAZ, what has befallen ye

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    Strategically placed object in art image or video is completely different than censor blobs in the forum, there is no double standard.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    I thought the model's lack of affect was actually a form of realism. And an image like that would not necessarily be pulled, though with the amouhnt of skin showing it probably would be flagged up for review at least.

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 2,674

    Daz Jack Tomalin said:

    When chip shortages are affecting entities as big as entire global car manufacturers, I sadly don't think there is any sway for Daz to procure any stock :)

    While companies are struggling, they're not struggling as much as end-users; A company that can place large orders direct with the suppliers isn't competing with the scalpers and miners whose bots are raiding storefronts seconds after anything gets listed. (And can at least get themselves on a genuine first-come-first-served queue rather than just the "notify me" button that many stores are using... and for those, you'd have to be Superman to respond to the notification e-mail fast enough). So getting hold of stock might be possible.

    And, with Daz having their store sales records, it wouldn't be particularly difficult to limit those GPUs to be going to actual active users, rather than scalpers or bots. Make GPUs available on a one-each basis to customers who've been signed up for at least X months and purchased at least Y amount of content recently.

    I don't imagine Daz would actually do it, particularly as they're not set up for the distribution of physical items, but it's not that stupid an idea.

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,643
    edited March 2021

    Oh come on Richard, if I posted that, it would have been pulled before I finished listing the products I used to make it.  I've been waiting years for someone to once again make fantasy armor that revealing like in the old Gareee/Aery Soul days and you guys won't do it.   ;)

    edit for cross-post: Matt, I think I remember DAZ actually saying they would be offering sales of nVidia graphics cards when Iray was first announced. Wonder what happened to that?

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  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    I thought the model's lack of affect was actually a form of realism. And an image like that would not necessarily be pulled, though with the amouhnt of skin showing it probably would be flagged up for review at least.

    It looks like an attempt at "model runway face." However even a runway walk has some emotion. It just looks like "default face with blinking" to me. Realism is one thing, but that just looks lazy and unfinished. I wouldn't be proud enough of it to showcase it on the landing page. I certainly dont want it as representative of the hobby.
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,316

    I think such a character has to be NFT to be an expensive digital celebrity otherwise, what big media corp is going to let $1.99 PC+ models be their digital spokesperson? Ha! Such a NFT model isn't going to be sold to us. Not that there isn't as good in the DAZ Store already. 

    I'd like all those flowers in the video modeled and sold to us. There still ain't a much in the way of usable of roses, lotuses, peonies, and such.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    nonesuch00 said:

    I think such a character has to be NFT to be an expensive digital celebrity otherwise, what big media corp is going to let $1.99 PC+ models be their digital spokesperson? Ha! Such a NFT model isn't going to be sold to us. Not that there isn't as good in the DAZ Store already. 

    I'd like all those flowers in the video modeled and sold to us. There still ain't a much in the way of usable of roses, lotuses, peonies, and such.

    Animals, plants and males are low on the list. No boobs ;) 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,676
    edited March 2021

    Shudu was modeled after the Princess of South Africa Barbie doll. Her depiction is considered problematic as this figure was used to market makeup and clothing, but represents an unrealistic body image.  There are other issues as well, but daz will like flag those as being political.

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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    Shudu's face in that video does not look realistic at all to me. It's very, very, very stiff. But you could probably fix that if you had her as a 3D model. Imma Gram also looks artificial. So looks so artificial, that I figured that had to be some sort of style choice on the part of her makers. Maybe to convince customers they aren't trying to trick them? Rozy Gram on the other hand, looks really natural. I was browsing her pictures last night and they were pretty impressive (at least to me).
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