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Thanks for good explanation why exactly font doesn't really "work". Including so-called "leading".
https://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2012/06/leading-space-is-just-as-important-as-words/
It's atrocious...
It's really hard to read and I don't have sight issues, I wonder what it could be to someone who can't see clearly.
I like that one!
The introduction of extra space between lines is probably a good thing; one of the problems I've always had with the forums is that text was set with a line-height of 1.0 or close to, so dense blocks of text were hard to read.
But I'm not sure that Poppins was the right choice to go with that. Because of its height-width ratio, it feels 'squashed', and exaggerates the size of the interline gaps. I wonder if a 'taller' face would work better.
Incidentally, if you zoom in a couple of steps in your browser, it becomes rather more readable. I wonder if they could fix the problems just by increasing the font-size and reducing the line-height.
This right here; it's too wide for a body/main content font.
It's a good choice if you're dyslexic.
In Firefox, you can go into Settings -> General -> Languages and Appearance -> Advanced and select the fonts you like best. Then make sure "Allow pages to choose their own fonts" is unchecked. The whole web will show up in the fonts you selected. Could cause display problems on some sites, though.
"Change Webpage Fonts" extension for Chrome works likety split to turn the font back to Arial (or another font you want). I got the old look back ;). And you can do it globally or on a per site basis. It doesn't change the post titles though for some reason, so I guess I'll just have to live with those.
The new fonts seem to be site-wide... pretty awful.
The extremely tight letter spacing is making my eye twitch when reading long product details and compatible software lists.
Hopefully this is just a failed AB test, or missing style sheet mishap?
What was the old font?
"Poppins" might as well be Comic Sans 2.0.
The font licensing is free — but my eyes are paying a price.
https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Poppins#about
It's always interesting to see how different views are; the extra space is precisely what bothers me the most about it, and makes it difficult for me to follow. Every line feels like a different paragraph. And it makes everything so spread out and take so much space.
IIRC "Avant Garde" was a Herb Lubalin font for ITC (see link to Wikipedia English). Pretty "rad" (heh) going into the 1970's but.. you know, ah, it's fairly dated now.
Wakey wakey DAZ, a new century has dawned!
Note the smoke in the picture btw. I live in Toronto; people are being evacuated up towards Hudson's Bay.
Thanks, that fixed this font disaster. If they every come to their senses post and I'll turn on the site fonts again.
I first saw this on my Win7 desktop, but wanted to wait until I checked my Win10 laptop to see if it was something not quite working on Win7 anymore, before posting here.
So much for "Resposive Web" being key to UX design. I wonder where "push" fonts figure in, eg. these days ITC makes a downloadable and pushable version of everything and they absolutely promote the concept as it increases the bottom line on each font order.
Will haptics eventually allow blind or stoned users to "feel" the sharp, dagger shaped fonts that drip blood as well as the soft bunny rabbit fonts...???
Another font solution for others...
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/comic-sans-everything/oaehjhfpohkdjkpcdbblepomnflojfli
You nailed it. The x-height is too large. If it had longer ascenders and descenders it would balance better. But as it is, each line is lost in white space and the eye doesn't easily track to the next line.
Plus, when the window is wide enough for images, the lines are too long for easy reading.
I don't completely disagree with you. I definitely know what you mean. I do still think they needed to introduce some space, but they may have taken it too far, and the slightly curious proportions of Poppins make the gap between lines look even wider than it is.
For some reason, forums seem to be challenging to do right. I've seen some lovely, very readable typography on complete articles, but there's something about forum posts -- where a page of text is broken up into different posts, with headers and so forth -- that seems very hard to get right. I'm hard put to think of any really good examples of highly-readable forums. Simply transferring a style that works well for full articles, which I think may be what they tried to do here, doesn't seem to work.
Conventional wisdom says that for large blocks of running text, you want to use a serifed font, rather than a sans-serif font like Poppins, so that the serifs 'lead' the reader's eye naturally. But another problem with forum pages is that they're not all large blocks: each contributor has their own style, so for every person who writes long prolix posts with a ton of text (like me), you'll have someone else who writes only one-liners. And then there's quoted text to take into account too.
I think it's just a hard, hard problem to solve. And I don't think DAZ have got it right yet.
It's like waiting for someone to get, what they were going to say, out of their mouth... "Come on, just say it!", but then again people like to look at Youtoob instructional videos too, so I'm not that surpriced
Arial, I believe. Looks right to me anyway ;) Verdana looks ok too.
If they chose this font I'm guessing they copied it from somewhere they saw it in use and liked it, but I bet it was used with a different font size, line spacing and letter spacing. If those were tinkered with it could (possibly) work.
The comic sans comment is just people picking on a font they don't like, this is nothing like that. A lighter font weight may be more tasteful in headers and UX elements like buttons, but for reading long paragraphs of text it's a lot harder for me, and I've gotten that feedback before so I've always avoided it anywhere that the text is going to be longer than a sentence. Hopefully they can make some minor tweaks to this to improve readability.
As a general note, I don't dislike the letter forms of the font itself, it's the spacing and weight that are bugging me. The font itself looks nice enough.
That's what I changed it to, but it looks a bit odd. Anyway, still a lot better than the new font. That's just too wide and high after all these years with the previous font.
Thanks! :)
Apologies if you already know this.
The display problems are more about text fitting into the boxes. Designers may adjust line height, letter-spacing, font size and so forth to make the text fit into specific parts of the design. This is usually done with the desired font and may not be checked with other fonts. Depends on time and budget. Also, fonts are different sizes with different spacing characteristics. So, replacing the fonts may cause weirdness in some sites. Your own choices will usually be fine for body text, though.
Responsive only means the page interface scales to the available screen real estate and takes into account physical screen size. It's a page's ability to fold up for small screens while still remaining legible. Buttons are supposed to remain "fat finger friendly" but that is often abused or ignored. In terms of display, 1920px means one thing on a 5" phone screen and something else on a 50" TV. For designers, it usually means any page interface exists in at least 3 versions. It's a hassle.
Haptic refers to touch-response. IDK if people want their phones to zot them. Browsers for mobile devices usually convert normal mouse behavior into touch behavior with the notable lack of a hover capability.
The Stylus extension is available for both Chrome and Firefox and is way more powerful than any typical font substitution extension. The following custom style should work across these browsers:
Here I am simply overriding the default font as Roboto. One can use anything they want if they have the font URL from google fonts. They can also customize hoewever they want provided they are familiar with CSS styling.
And don't forget to set "URLs on the domain" to daz3d.com.
(Even works on thread titles)
The font itself I don't really care for but everything is still legible to me. What I can't stand is the spacing, it's terribly annoying how much screen space is now being wasted and it seems like all these revamps of UI designs like to just waste space and make me scroll 25% - 50% more than with the old designs. Who ever is in charge of typeface isn't doing a very good job at it right now.