Loading...
> >

Forum Changes?

1235

Comments

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    hjake said:

    There is one weird thing I see on my computer with Firefox. When I go to a forum page and click to the next page for about a second the whole page is blurry then it becomes sharp going from top to bottom. It reminds me of the DOS dinosaur days when loading a progressive JPEG and you could actually watch  fill the screen.

    Likely because it has to load because you don't have the actual font on your computer. Most people already have Arial, Tahoma, Verdana and fonts like those - fonts normally used on a plethora of web sites. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,040

    To me it looks like a display font used as body text and it looks amateurish and annoying. This would be fine on an ad but not as forum text. Why they change things that don’t need fixing just to make it worse while not fixing things that need to be fixed is beyond me, 

  • hjakehjake Posts: 943
    edited August 2021

    AllenArt said:

    hjake said:

    There is one weird thing I see on my computer with Firefox. When I go to a forum page and click to the next page for about a second the whole page is blurry then it becomes sharp going from top to bottom. It reminds me of the DOS dinosaur days when loading a progressive JPEG and you could actually watch  fill the screen.

    Likely because it has to load because you don't have the actual font on your computer. Most people already have Arial, Tahoma, Verdana and fonts like those - fonts normally used on a plethora of web sites. 

    Ok I installed the fonts set from Google https://github.com/itfoundry/Poppins/find/master

    I restarted the PC and that solved the problem. It also seems to have added a greater variation in the Poppins font style on the store pages, although that could be my imagination.

     

    Post edited by hjake on
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    AllenArt said:

    When I was a graphic artist it might be a font I'd use for one line like a title, but not for general reading. There's a reason why fonts like Helvetica and Arial are so popular for web pages, books and magazines.

    Yes. +1 for you smiley

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,316

    For me this new forum font is a font you use for advertising. It's not any more difficult or easier to read for me than the prior font; however it's been well established for over a century that those old fashioned "Times" and "Schoolbook" fonts are easier for the average person to read. Not that the average person has sight problems just that those fonts actually are easier to read.

    And while we are on the subject of emulating books the bright white background with these new fangled 6500K blue-white midday sun monitors will seem very uncomfortable to some people. People read extremely dark grey ink on slightly off-white paper in 2700K - 3500K lit indoor rooms. The change is jarring for some people.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited August 2021

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    Post edited by marble on
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    Subjective to a point, but there are still rules of design. There are reasons designers use certain fonts in certain places that extend beyond aesthetics or whether some people like it.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited August 2021

    Torquinox said:

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    Subjective to a point, but there are still rules of design. There are reasons designers use certain fonts in certain places that extend beyond aesthetics or whether some people like it.

    Quite. So why not explain why these fonts are a bad idea instead of just saying that they are? 

    [EDIT] Back when I had a web site I tinkered with different fonts and thought they looked good for a while until I realised that they didn't quite work or that, the more I looked, the worse the font looked. I never knew why because I was not trained in web design or Graphic design, so it was all subjective to me.

    Post edited by marble on
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    marble said:

    Torquinox said:

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    Subjective to a point, but there are still rules of design. There are reasons designers use certain fonts in certain places that extend beyond aesthetics or whether some people like it.

    Quite. So why not explain why these fonts are a bad idea instead of just saying that they are? 

    If you look at my posts, I did explain. Also, I did not make any grandiose claims or ask for your trust. I did as I usually do. I laid out facts and opinions for others to contemplate.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Torquinox said:

    marble said:

    Torquinox said:

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    Subjective to a point, but there are still rules of design. There are reasons designers use certain fonts in certain places that extend beyond aesthetics or whether some people like it.

    Quite. So why not explain why these fonts are a bad idea instead of just saying that they are? 

    If you look at my posts, I did explain. Also, I did not make any grandiose claims or ask for your trust. I did as I usually do. I laid out facts and opinions for others to contemplate.

     

    Sorry if I missed your explanations but I posted after reading a particular criticism that came without explanation. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,316

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    The academics that tested the different fonts way back over a century ago used reading comprehension to eliminate as much this subjectiveness of "subjectiveness" and "participant moodiness" as possible during their evaluations of these different fonts. Arial style fonts aren't new to the digital age, they were around over a century ago too. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    marble said:

    Sorry if I missed your explanations but I posted after reading a particular criticism that came without explanation. 

    No matter. Plenty of posts in this thread! I think I saw the one you're talking about. Forums! laugh

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    This article might help here: https://thrive.design/best-fonts-for-reading-easiest-to-read-online-design-fonts/

    And it supports a point I was making earlier: "A good design means that the typeface is pleasing to look at, yet doesn’t call attention to itself."

    This one is also interesting: https://www.boia.org/blog/best-fonts-to-use-for-website-accessibility

    It includes one key point regarding serif and san-serif fonts: "Although serif fonts are usually preferred for printed items, such as books and newspapers, the opposite holds true for websites. Proportionally, the "ticks" and "tails" of serif fonts take up a larger amount of space on a screen than they do on a printed page."

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    nonesuch00 said:

    marble said:

    Surely these things are subjective? I mean, we have people saying they like it and others who don't but those who are saying that anyone who knows what they are doing wouldn't do this ought to give reasons for saying that instead of just saying "trust me, I'm an expert".

    The academics that tested the different fonts way back over a century ago used reading comprehension to eliminate as much this subjectiveness of "subjectiveness" and "participant moodiness" as possible during their evaluations of these different fonts. Arial style fonts aren't new to the digital age, they were around over a century ago too. 

    Yeah, I know that they existed before the digital age because I used to spend hours trying to line up Letraset text on my little amateur posters. When it came to my web site, I knew there must be a reason that I kept returning to the common, tried and trusted but I didn't research the subject. The odd thing is that I always thought that Times New Roman looked better in books but not on a web page. Go figure.

  • GreeboGreebo Posts: 161
    edited August 2021

    Yay. After a screw up this bad I'm waiting for them to offer a huge sale to try and win back customers (Without changing a single part of this POS) no

    Post edited by Greebo on
  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,147

    Why would anyone stop shopping here, or anywhere,because of the fonts the store uses?

    Firefox has a built in setting that lets you change the fonts of any website to whatever you want.

    All the other browsers need plugins/extensions that allow you to do the same.Those are very easy to get from the browsers addon page.

    You can get addons that let you change the style layout of entire websites should you choose to want that level of customization for any browser.

    With Stylus and tampermonkey/greasemonkey you can do pretty much what ever you want to make a website display on your browser in any way you want.

  • TomTombaTomTomba Posts: 29
    edited August 2021

    Yeah, I really dislike this new font, as it's much harder to read for me.

    I use Firefox, and can enable a global setting that will change Daz and every other website's appearance, or I can install extension(s)... but now I've gotta figure out what extensions are both good and safe.  Time I'm not willing to spend at the moment.

    This feels like one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" unforced errors that tech companies make. I hope they change it back.

    Post edited by TomTomba on
  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Torquinox said:

    This article might help here: https://thrive.design/best-fonts-for-reading-easiest-to-read-online-design-fonts/

    And it supports a point I was making earlier: "A good design means that the typeface is pleasing to look at, yet doesn’t call attention to itself."

    This one is also interesting: https://www.boia.org/blog/best-fonts-to-use-for-website-accessibility

    It includes one key point regarding serif and san-serif fonts: "Although serif fonts are usually preferred for printed items, such as books and newspapers, the opposite holds true for websites. Proportionally, the "ticks" and "tails" of serif fonts take up a larger amount of space on a screen than they do on a printed page."

     

    So it wasn't just my subjective imagination then ... there is a difference when picking fonts for print and for the web. Good to know, thanks. 

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,298
    edited August 2021

    IceCrMn said:

    Why would anyone stop shopping here, or anywhere,because of the fonts the store uses?

    Firefox has a built in setting that lets you change the fonts of any website to whatever you want.

    All the other browsers need plugins/extensions that allow you to do the same.Those are very easy to get from the browsers addon page.

    You can get addons that let you change the style layout of entire websites should you choose to want that level of customization for any browser.

    With Stylus and tampermonkey/greasemonkey you can do pretty much what ever you want to make a website display on your browser in any way you want.

    So does Chrome. If you not happy with it change it in the browser settings.

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,186
    edited August 2021
    Interesting how differently it can be perceived from person to person. As I mentioned before, I find it to be an improvement. Reading longer posts/threads with the new font seems to cause me significantly less eye strain - it's very readable for me. I like it enough to have noted the name of the font for other uses.

    Something for consideration: If Gotham requires an expensive subscription based on page views as Taoz mentioned, then moving to another font seems prudent. If you want Daz to stop using Poppins, what (free for commercial use) font would you suggest? Which ones look good to you?
    Post edited by doubledeviant on
  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,005
    edited August 2021

    frank0314 said:

    IceCrMn said:

    Why would anyone stop shopping here, or anywhere,because of the fonts the store uses?

    Firefox has a built in setting that lets you change the fonts of any website to whatever you want.

    All the other browsers need plugins/extensions that allow you to do the same.Those are very easy to get from the browsers addon page.

    You can get addons that let you change the style layout of entire websites should you choose to want that level of customization for any browser.

    With Stylus and tampermonkey/greasemonkey you can do pretty much what ever you want to make a website display on your browser in any way you want.

    So does Chrome. If you not happy with it change it in the browser settings.

    Is that the official response to the feedback?

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,005
    doubledeviant said:
    Interesting how differently it can be perceived from person to person. As I mentioned before, I find it to be an improvement. Reading longer posts/threads with the new font seems to cause me significantly less eye strain - it's very readable for me. I like it enough to have noted the name of the font for other uses.

    Something for consideration: If Gotham requires an expensive subscription based on page views as Taoz mentioned, then moving to another font seems prudent. If you want Daz to stop using Poppins, what (free for commercial use) font would you suggest? Which ones look good to you?
    Arial is a solid font that is familiar to people who are going to be reading longer blocks of text. Not as wide characters as Poppins.
  • Carola OCarola O Posts: 3,823
    edited August 2021

    frank0314 said:

    IceCrMn said:

    Why would anyone stop shopping here, or anywhere,because of the fonts the store uses?

    Firefox has a built in setting that lets you change the fonts of any website to whatever you want.

    All the other browsers need plugins/extensions that allow you to do the same.Those are very easy to get from the browsers addon page.

    You can get addons that let you change the style layout of entire websites should you choose to want that level of customization for any browser.

    With Stylus and tampermonkey/greasemonkey you can do pretty much what ever you want to make a website display on your browser in any way you want.

    So does Chrome. If you not happy with it change it in the browser settings.

     

    I tried to change it but it didn't work for some reason (probably cause I did something wrong :) ) I admittingly don't read the forum as much as I used to since this change, because it does hurt my eyes and give me a headache. I'm using Chrome and tried to change the font in the settings, but it did nothing at all :(

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • ShadowBox24ShadowBox24 Posts: 184

    The last couple of months viewing the forum the fonts has/had changed and I usaully quickly logged out thinking that there was a virus or a hacker had taken over the site - but now it all makes sense!

    I just am surprised that Daz didn't give us several font to try before going live.

     

    The fonts over the weekend seemed grey & wishy washy........but today the fonts seem darker and more readable, I suppose that progress.

     

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    Since people want hard data, here is a review of Poppins vs Helvetica :

    When compared side-by-side many differences become apparent. The lowercase ‘a’ in Poppins is simpler without the added top stroke, however Helvetica is actually more readable because the ‘a’ cannot be as easily confused with ‘o’ at smaller font sizes. The spacing between letters in Poppins is more uniform than Helvetica. The x-height is also larger in Poppins than Helvetica. The bar of the ‘e’ is much thinner than in Helvetica and the ‘k’ joins at a different point. It also appears that in Poppins some of the ascenders are above the top of some capital letters such as the combination of ‘Th.’ The counter of certain letters is also rounder, such as in the ‘o,’ ‘q’ and ‘c.’ There appears to be more white space in between letters of the Poppins typeface when compared to Helvetica, perhaps due to a looser tracking. The stroke of the inner part of a ‘w’ is also wider in Poppins than in helvetica. And this is only the start!

    Overall, it is easy to see why Helvetica is so popular. While I am most certainly not an expert it is easy to see that Helvetica has a lot of strengths when it comes to readability.

    Source : https://blog.prototypr.io/a-beginners-guide-to-typeface-and-color-so-many-choices-a9c6b3c42ca2

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Everything is entirely too spread out now. I also use a 21:9 monitor, so that could be part of the issue...but I feel like I'm having to move my eyes more from side to side now as I read the forum. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,632

    marble said:

    So it wasn't just my subjective imagination then ... there is a difference when picking fonts for print and for the web. Good to know, thanks. 

    +1 There is a difference. Cheers! yes

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,298
    edited August 2021

    Here is an extention for Chrome if you guys wanna take a look at it. You can customize by website. You can also make the lettering bigger and smaller. Font Customizer

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,270

    frank0314 said:

    Here is an extention for Chrome if you guys wanna take a look at it. You can customize by website. You can also make the lettering bigger and smaller. Font Customizer

    Thank you. I'll try it when I get a chance. 

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    doubledeviant said:

    Interesting how differently it can be perceived from person to person. As I mentioned before, I find it to be an improvement. Reading longer posts/threads with the new font seems to cause me significantly less eye strain - it's very readable for me. I like it enough to have noted the name of the font for other uses.

    Something for consideration: If Gotham requires an expensive subscription based on page views as Taoz mentioned, then moving to another font seems prudent. If you want Daz to stop using Poppins, what (free for commercial use) font would you suggest? Which ones look good to you?

    Roboto would be fine probably, which is their second choice in the style sheet already.
Sign In or Register to comment.