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LOL!
On the subject of VR, it is worth reading Frank Schätzing's novel 'Limit'. There, the poorer population degenerates into a kind of permanent trance while consuming VR films and games. Pretty creepy.
Life imitates art ... imitates life.
Interesting video on the metaverse: The Metaverse could be a problem
It kind of scares me seeing how social media echo chambers already had a negative effect on society, I can only see it getting worse.
Another interesting video (by a Crypto enthousiast) on the Metaverse showing the link between crypto and the metaverse: Everyone Is Wrong About Metaverse
I understand why Daz is sponsoring the event a lot better now.
People don't think vehicles don't have an enormous footprint unneedingly? Even electric cars have a large footprint. Your trying to tell me NFT's have a bigger footprint then every vehicle on this planet driving daily? Oh but it's needed. I get it now. So if its benifical personally for people it's worthwhile and needed and therefore ok. I see this as being terrible one sided in which the creator of those numbers for NFT's stated himself and did it purposly and ever had to put out a correction because of it and put a notice on his web page about it. In reality he says there is no way to calculate it because most of the process of making NFT's has no footprint. It's the blockchain that creates the footprint in which Ethereum isn't even the biggest blockchair but I don't see anyone attacking the top 4 blockchains, only NFT's on overbloated numbers.
I gave my car away and handed in my license,
I walk mostly
I try to keep my carbon footprint as small as I can, my electricity consumption is pretty low too inspite of all my rendering
I am trying to do my part
NFTs are the wretched, useless offspring of crypto-currency. Cars are a different problem. In point of fact, people should not be driving cars - at least not the laughably inefficient cars we have - but good luck with that in a world structured as ours is. You're right to point out that electric cars bring their own pollution and problems. I would point out that the true environmental costs of electric cars are mostly swept under the rug. But be advised, you're not going to convince any of us that NFTs are some good thing worthy of support. Your company's support of them should be a mark of shame, not a point of pride. Just sayin'
Can't speak for other people, but I actually need my car/van. No mass transit, and even if there were, I doubt the bus or subway is gonna stop for an hour to allow me to load all my tools and equipment aboard, allow me to use up several seats to store it all, then do the same when I get nearest stop to my destination. Sure if you are some suit in a big city, working behind a desk or cash register or whatever, then you might be able to get by just fine without a personal vehicle. A lot of us actually can't though.
There are situations where people require a car for their livelihood, I can't blame people for wanting to provide for their family. No one needs NFTs to provide for their family. Yes, I do make a distinction between a need and a want, the argument is also still a whataboutism.
And yes, the numbers point towards ETH energy costs because the large majority of NFTs are traded on the ETH-blockchain. As said before on different threads regarding NFTs, a NFT is the "casing" for the digital item, that casing indeed has a minimal energy footprint by itself, but the trade has a big footprint including the required ETH. I don't see the point of bringing up other blockchains because they don't seem relevant to the topic of this thread.
I do have to say your reaction comes across as a bit on the aggressive side, I don't see how I have provoked this.
I"m not saying they are good or bad. I'm a neutral party but people need to look at it from both sides instead of being one sided. There is a lot that can be don't on this planet to reduce the footprint but the officials can't be convinced. I'm all about reducing but I'm not one to say this is bad or good because we don't know the true facts about any of this. All we know is speculative. Who's to say the people who are coming up with good or bad numbers are correct and without motive. Maybe their equation is missing something. We don't know and a very great majority of people don't even understand the numbers and what they mean. The only thing I'm trying to do is have people look at both sides for comparison. WIll I ever get involved with NFT's, not a chance. Personally I'd get rid of a lot of things to reduce the footprint. People use to walk and ride bikes to work. Lets start it again.
@RL_Media : That's the truth for a lot of people.
HA, I got you beat as I never owned a driver's license! But congrats on getting rid of the cage!
Evironmental impacts aside, there is also the increased incentive for thieves to theive when it comes to NFT's. Art is stolen and sold online every day, but NFT's make it even easier and more profitable to do so. Nope. Just nope. NFT's need to go the way of the dodo.
I agree the ideas and data underlying the workings of ETH/NFTs require some time and effort to understand, and that not everybody has that time. I also feel I can still learn a lot in that respect. But I disagree on the speculative nature of the numbers. Which numbers come across as too speculative for you to the degree they should not to be used?
You don’t need any computer with a Quest 2.
Which two sides are you talking about?
Because of DAZ getting in on it so strong, we have looked it to it and found out the emperor still has no clothes.
I’m not delusional. I spend hours at cool parties, seminars, events in my very comfortable Quest 2 daily. It’s high res, 90 FPS, I watch all streaming media on a huge screen in my private movie theater. I prefer the people I meet in VR to many people IRL I travel all over the world in VR and even into space. VR saved me during the pandemic and even now that things are opening up I often prefer VR to having to drive in traffic and look for parking everywhere. I can go on dates in VR to exotic locations, have my own mansions with pools and jacuzzis, have virtual cocktails as we drink our own real cocktails. I can visit museums all over the world, go inside Egyptian pyramids, ski down beautiful mountains. When I can’t sleep, I often put on a headset and go to a beautiful nature place and fall asleep with my headset on. VR is the future and I LOVE it!
Talking about Schaetzing's novels, I've kind of started hoping The Swarm will eventually turn up and save us from ourselves ...
Doesn't have to be that way. In my country almost 50% of the electricity now comes from windmill parks, and they're setting more and bigger windmills up constantly. Large solar energy parks are also on the way. And they're working on new methods for storing excess energy which there is a lot of in periods to use when the production is low because of the weather.
I'm all for virtual meetings and such, since the pandemic I've attended a huge number of events I'd never have been able to go to in person - but please don't mistake VR for reality like that. You are not in 'a beautiful nature place' inside your headset, you're inside someone else's idealized idea of one. Nature has smells, and feels, and BUGS crawling up your ankles. REALITY will ALWAYS be the future. It might just be a very bleak one if we keep hiding in virtual spaces while the real ones degenerate. And I have a feeling that's exactly what companies like FB want us to do, but not for your gain, or mine. Just and always for theirs. I really do wish DAZ would not be jumping up and down on their bandwagon so wildly right now ...
Can you tell me a little about the programs you use? The Quest 2 is a standalone cordless unit, is that right? If you do enjoy it that much, I would like to know a little more about it. Maybe things changed more than I thought since the original Rift.
well if they keep cryptomining as well as all the other greenhouse emissions the only nature we will enjoy will be VR
Enter the Matrix
I had that same thought, that all this is leading us to The Matrix.
Yes, and between that and allergies, I would also prefer to experience nature in VR. ;)
Combine it with Elon Musk's Neuralink (Brain-Computer Interface) we are closer than ever.
Yes, it’s changed a lot. I have an old original Rift too that’s now in its box because it was a pain to set up the sensors and other issues. The Quest 2 is so much better, stand-alone BUT if you have a high end computer you can attach it to your computer with a cable to get some programs that are higher res than what the Quest can handle and games from Steam in addition to the Oculus store. The Quest can handle a lot though on its own, just not the highest end games. But you can purchase Virtual Desktop app which allows you through WIFI (if you have a good connection) to use your computer and any games through the headset without wires. And you can watch any content on your computer in a huge virtual movie theater or in other environments. The app Big Screen does it too and is free and Oculus itself now has an option to use WIFI that’s in beta. I haven’t tried it yet because I love Virtual Desktop and already paid for it.
The Quest 2 already has WIFI for streaming, downloading, everything, and Netflix and Amazon Prime Video have dedicated apps to watch their streaming content directly through the Quest. Netflix gives you the choice of a large screen in a mountain cabin or a screen any size you choose in the Void, so you can lie in bed and watch from any position. Amazon gives you a private screening theater. Virtual Desktop and Big Screen give you multiple viewing choices. In Big Screen you can watch blockbuster movies in 3D for a small fee or join other people's Screening rooms and you can invite friends to watch movies or TV with you.
Also there are now some apps that let you use hand tracking instead of the controllers, Games are getting more social and most have the ability to play solo, invite friends or play with strangers.
AltspaceVR is for me the best networking app. Your avatars look like cartoons but it tends to attract very few children and mostly professionals in creative careers, many Unity experts, engineers, techies, filmmakers, game industry., etc... A lot of Burning Man attendees and artists are there, and they’ve had a virtual Burning Man the last few years with some amazing artists’ works. Most of the people I meet are creators in digital fields or traditional artists blowing up their art to show in virtual galleries. Most people I meet are Unity users or trying to learn it. Most people have built their own worlds there. We often hop from world to world checking out eachother’s work. There are some really creative amazing worlds there. There are group meditations daily, comedy shows, plays, karaoke, parties, seminars, events, conferences, tours of worlds, a lot of cool stuff.
VR Chat is another social platform and Tafi (Daz) now has an avatar building thing in there but it needs a lot of work, the UI is awful and I found it unusable as of now. But I don’t like VRChat in general because there are a lot of kids, rude, sleazy, racist people there so I avoid it. BUT I’ve been told if you use the PC VR version you meet better people and it’s great if you go in private groups and avoid the crazies, I never see crazies in AltspaceVR though so spend all social time there. Rec Room is social games but mostly kids, I never go there either. VR Chat is also creepy for me because many have non-human avatars, even things like carrots, and avatars are all sizes and it’s just weird, I do hope Tafi’s avatar system takes off. But I’m sticking to AltspaceVR for now.
It’s also great for watching YouTube on a big screen, especially tutorials because you can see all the menus huge. There are tons of other apps and games. I’m not into gaming really so I focus on experiential things like travel, nature, meditation, museums, art creation, YouTube tutorials, movies and things I can do lying in bed before sleep. I also have several workout apps that make working out fun and are really games themselves. If you’re into gaming, there are zillions of games. Check out the Oculus Store or Steam to see the possibilities.
I’m all for living real life, I’m very social IRL and go to the beach or nature spots often and VR isn’t taking away from that (except movie going, I sometimes opt to watch movies in VR rather than go to even free screenings in theaters because it’s just easier and I’d rather wear a headset and have my cat on my lap, than wear a mask in a theater full of people during Covid, that we had to drive to, find parking and wait in lines.) Sometimes I just don’t feel like doing hair, makeup, figuring out what to wear, etc... lol.
For me, VR brings the whole world into my home, let’s me meet amazing people I never would have met IRL from all over the world, let’s me create in ways I can’t in 2D and experience other talented creators’ work in ways not possible in 2D. And fly! Just that alone is worth it for me!
BTW, my gallery is very primitive because I was just using Altspace assets and since the latest update, many have been removed so it looks like I have to now learn Unity (but have a nicer gallery...)
I'll even withstand the allergies just to feel the wind, smell the air and the dirt, hear and see the birds and bugs...lol. I'm handicapped and can't get out and walk around, so my favorite thing in the world is to sit outside on my rural back porch in the warm months. Nothing compares. Even with the sneezing. LOL
Went to amazon, was thinkin of pullin the trigger on quest 2 pro 256GB until I saw "Quest 2 requires your Facebook account to log in" and hard noped out. I am not paying 600 for piece of equip that would be a paperweight if zuckerburger decides to shitcan my rarely used facebook account.
Many people create a separate VR account with different friends from their real friends.