Is it just me or is the overall selection of mens clothing lacking?

Serene Night

I was interested in the coveralls but 20 dollars is too steep for me. I also am a pc member so buy 1 to get 30 percent off isn't honestly that great a deal. I already get 30 percent off. Discount should be more for club members.

Chohole

SereneNight said:

I was interested in the coveralls but 20 dollars is too steep for me. I also am a pc member so buy 1 to get 30 percent off isn't honestly that great a deal. I already get 30 percent off. Discount should be more for club members.

With rare exceptions on occasion PC discounts are only for DAZ Originals and PC items.

Serene Night

Yep, so no great savings on otherwise already high priced items.

cdemerit

Wow... I wasn't expecting this much response:

SickleYield said:

That is absolutely the case, and will continue to be. The market disproportionately buys women's outfits, and making a male full outfit is always more of a financial risk for the artist. Some of us would rather that was not the case (myself among them), but those are the facts.

Well, I don't begrudge any artist that chooses between what they know will sell and what they don't know will sell. I sold art pieces for a living for a couple years, and having to choose between what I wanted to work on and what I needed to work on to put food on the table was the hardest part. After I came to the conclusion that I was spending about 80% of my time working on things I hated because they sold, I ended up returning to the 9-5 workforce and had more time to do what I want. It's just a shame that this is the case however, but simple logic dictates that more people want to work with sexy women than men.

FSMCDesigns said:

I rarely render males in a scene, I use genesis one for any males, don't even have GM2 installed. But when do, i am fairly set with what i need for males, quality tees, polos, dress shirt, jeans, slacks and a a few jackets, then comes the armor sets.

Yeah, in all honesty, The outfits "The Hitman", "Town and Country", "Newport collection", "Surfer dude", "Summer on the Lake", and a set of cargo shorts (I forget where these came from) make up about 80% of my needs. I just would like to add a few more choices. I do mix and match, as well as play with various textures to spice things up. One of my favorites is a tie-dyed tile set I found on ShareCG. Great way to turn the Hitmans Hawaiian Shirt into 20 different shirts, alter the diffuse color, get 20 more.

wendy♥catz said:

reflects real life, have you looked at the size of men's and women's clothing departments in actual stores?

No, I'm a man, I avoid them.

ghastlycomic said:

You got T-shirt, tank top, jeans, button up shirt, slacks, socks, a decent suit and shorts and you're set for a guy IRL from age 2 to 102. There just isn't a lot of variation to modern day men's fashion.

I in all honesty, have to agree with you. I looked at my own wardrobe. It contains 5 pairs of jeans, 1 pair of slacks, 1 pair shorts, 6 button down long sleeve shirts of various types (mostly flannel), 12 tees, 2 polo shirts, 2 Sweatshirts, and 1 pair of workboots....

Simple styles are nice, but you have to have details like zippers, pockets etc. Just because it's plain doesn't mean it needs to be without detail.

Yeah, it's the details that turn a outfit from flat to stunning. I bought the 1950's male casual set. I like it, but the classic leather coat falls a little flat when you get close to it. I was trying to retexture it, and many of details were lost. This can be fixed, but it would be nice if the details were just painted on.

It isn't really complicated, if we want to see more men clothes in the store, then male clothing has to get bought when its made available. PAs base their decision on what to make, by how much they make. Bottom line. They'll make more clothes for the Males in the future, if they sell a bunch of them in the present. It's purely a numbers thing.

While I agree, the hard part is when most of the stuff that is available, isn't what you want. The second part of this is that if there isn't a decent selection, it is harder to sell anything. I learned this from my time selling stuff. If I had 10 cd's to sell, I'd likely only sell 1. If I had 50, then there was a good chance I'd sell 10. The greater your selection, the greater the chance of things selling.

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Checkout Wilmaps Digital Creations (google it), and OOT, Kang1hyun, and Lyrra over at 'Rosity.

Thanks, I actually use Wilmaps stuff quite a bit. I'll look into some others.

M4 items in store: 773
V4 items in store: 2459
V4/M4 ratio: 3.18

G2M items: 517
G2F items: 1675
G2F/G2M ratio: 3.23

The ratio is actually about the same (3 to 1) - a difference of .05 isn't statistically significant. Data was not available on Gen 3, of course, so I'm willing to concede maybe there were more M3 clothing items.

Apollo Max clothes, though? No. They were good in their time, but they mostly don't have wrinkle sculpts or much visual detail. Like most Gen 3 items, they're going to look pretty bad next to new stuff.

I'm kind of curious (I know it would take a lot of manual searching, and not worth any ones time) but what those numbers would look like if you took out anything that could be considered 1850's or earlier styles.

I do plan on picking up both the overalls and the air defender sets at some point, however, I'm already over budget for this week.

Havos

Cypherfox said:

Greetings,

FSMCDesigns said:

Cybersox13 said:

On the plus side, I'm really thrilled to see that IH Kang has joined the DAZ shop, as his store over at Rendo (Kang1hyun) has become one of my favorite go-0locations for realistic "normal" clothes.

I feel just the opposite since i enjoy his store (and prices) over at Rendo also, but hope he doesn't go a different direction or change his style being a DAZ vendor now, guess we will see. The majority of my male wardrobe is his due to supported figure, quality and price.

I just hope he/she ups their promo game. I'm always hesitant to pick up their stuff on Rendo, because the promos look so godawful flat.

They need one of the texture artists to 'adopt' them, and start producing texture packs for their products...not so much because they need new textures, but because some of the texture artists are a lot better at promo work. :)

I wishlist nearly all of their G2F/M stuff on Renderosity, but I don't end up buying it because I just can't tell if it's going to work well under scene-style lighting, different characters, what morphs it has, texture stretching issues, etc...

Now their DAZ store is already much better because it actually lists the objects included, and their morphs. Hey! The Waiter uniform has a button open morph! No way I would have known that on their 'rosity store at all. Just knowing those extra details makes me a lot more likely to 'pull the trigger' on an item.

Sure, they could have been putting that info in the 'rosity listing. But they didn't. Ever. Including the item they released today over there. DAZ makes sure it's in there, and that makes all the difference.

/vendor_rant

I'm totally going to get that Air Defender when I get paid! For that Jobsian turtleneck, if NOTHING else! :)

-- Morgan

I may be wrong, but I suspect the product descriptions at rendo are written by the PA, where as the DAZ ones are either written or edited by DAZ themselves. Given that IH Kang is probably Japanese, that may help explain the somewhat light weight descriptions on his/her rendo store. Having said that I have also see some pretty scant descriptions at rendo from PAs whose native tongue was English. I am always surprised why people would spent so much time developing a product, but then put so little effort into a decent marketing description to try and sell it.

SickleYield

Havos said:

Cypherfox said:

Greetings,

FSMCDesigns said:

Cybersox13 said:

On the plus side, I'm really thrilled to see that IH Kang has joined the DAZ shop, as his store over at Rendo (Kang1hyun) has become one of my favorite go-0locations for realistic "normal" clothes.

I feel just the opposite since i enjoy his store (and prices) over at Rendo also, but hope he doesn't go a different direction or change his style being a DAZ vendor now, guess we will see. The majority of my male wardrobe is his due to supported figure, quality and price.

I just hope he/she ups their promo game. I'm always hesitant to pick up their stuff on Rendo, because the promos look so godawful flat.

They need one of the texture artists to 'adopt' them, and start producing texture packs for their products...not so much because they need new textures, but because some of the texture artists are a lot better at promo work. :)

I wishlist nearly all of their G2F/M stuff on Renderosity, but I don't end up buying it because I just can't tell if it's going to work well under scene-style lighting, different characters, what morphs it has, texture stretching issues, etc...

Now their DAZ store is already much better because it actually lists the objects included, and their morphs. Hey! The Waiter uniform has a button open morph! No way I would have known that on their 'rosity store at all. Just knowing those extra details makes me a lot more likely to 'pull the trigger' on an item.

Sure, they could have been putting that info in the 'rosity listing. But they didn't. Ever. Including the item they released today over there. DAZ makes sure it's in there, and that makes all the difference.

/vendor_rant

I'm totally going to get that Air Defender when I get paid! For that Jobsian turtleneck, if NOTHING else! :)

-- Morgan

I may be wrong, but I suspect the product descriptions at rendo are written by the PA, where as the DAZ ones are either written or edited by DAZ themselves. Given that IH Kang is probably Japanese, that may help explain the somewhat light weight descriptions on his/her rendo store. Having said that I have also see some pretty scant descriptions at rendo from PAs whose native tongue was English. I am always surprised why people would spent so much time developing a product, but then put so little effort into a decent marketing description to try and sell it.

Nope, we write our own descriptions here (and you will find a couple of products with syntax errors). The only ones DAZ has written are the ones labeled "DAZ Original."

A lot of people just don't understand marketing. It's something you have to teach yourself along with everything else, and it's a different skill set from the ones specifically involved with content creation; after years of this I feel I barely understand what makes the "best" promo or layout.

Havos

I may be wrong, but I suspect the product descriptions at rendo are written by the PA, where as the DAZ ones are either written or edited by DAZ themselves. Given that IH Kang is probably Japanese, that may help explain the somewhat light weight descriptions on his/her rendo store. Having said that I have also see some pretty scant descriptions at rendo from PAs whose native tongue was English. I am always surprised why people would spent so much time developing a product, but then put so little effort into a decent marketing description to try and sell it.

Nope, we write our own descriptions here (and you will find a couple of products with syntax errors). The only ones DAZ has written are the ones labeled "DAZ Original."

A lot of people just don't understand marketing. It's something you have to teach yourself along with everything else, and it's a different skill set from the ones specifically involved with content creation; after years of this I feel I barely understand what makes the "best" promo or layout.

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Ok, I was wrong :-), however I assume DAZ at least insists that you list the product morphs and compatibity lists, which are often at least as illuminating as the descriptions. Some of the prop sets at rendo do not even list the props included, and morphs are very rarely mentioned.

SickleYield

Havos said:

I may be wrong, but I suspect the product descriptions at rendo are written by the PA, where as the DAZ ones are either written or edited by DAZ themselves. Given that IH Kang is probably Japanese, that may help explain the somewhat light weight descriptions on his/her rendo store. Having said that I have also see some pretty scant descriptions at rendo from PAs whose native tongue was English. I am always surprised why people would spent so much time developing a product, but then put so little effort into a decent marketing description to try and sell it.

Nope, we write our own descriptions here (and you will find a couple of products with syntax errors). The only ones DAZ has written are the ones labeled "DAZ Original."

A lot of people just don't understand marketing. It's something you have to teach yourself along with everything else, and it's a different skill set from the ones specifically involved with content creation; after years of this I feel I barely understand what makes the "best" promo or layout.

.

Ok, I was wrong :-), however I assume DAZ at least insists that you list the product morphs and compatibity lists, which are often at least as illuminating as the descriptions. Some of the prop sets at rendo do not even list the props included, and morphs are very rarely mentioned.

Yes, we are required to list that. Rendo requires that as well, actually, it's just they only require it in the readme (which there is a link to on every product page). I got in the habit of always clicking those for .dsa or .duf files, because a lot of artists used to claim their product "works in DS" when they did not provide any DS mats (in this case "works" meaning "doesn't crash it, just looks bad"). There's less of that now but it still does happen.

Now I just wish they would finally separate "hair textures" from "actual hair" in the category system.

CypherFOX

Greetings,

Havos said:

I may be wrong, but I suspect the product descriptions at rendo are written by the PA, where as the DAZ ones are either written or edited by DAZ themselves. Given that IH Kang is probably Japanese, that may help explain the somewhat light weight descriptions on his/her rendo store.The language barrier is entirely possible. I think the 'Details' section here is written by the PA (and the Waiter, for example, is very light on that) but the 'What's included' is extensive.

N.b. I literally only now, as I was typing that last sentence, thought to go to 'rosity and look at the ReadMe File link, and that shows morphs and such, as long as you're okay reading the file names... I almost never read the ReadMe before buying something (unless the description calls it out explicitly) so I wouldn't have realized what's included.

Having said that I have also see some pretty scant descriptions at rendo from PAs whose native tongue was English. I am always surprised why people would spent so much time developing a product, but then put so little effort into a decent marketing description to try and sell it.I don't recall where I heard this bit of business advice, but it goes something like this:

Folks who start a business often do it because they love the field, and think that that love will make them successful. So book-lovers open a bookstore, chefs open restaurants, and programmers start software companies. But the thing is, to be successful, you can't just love the field you're in. You have to love being in business. You have to care about marketing, sales, balancing your accounts, cash flow, employing people, and all the hard work that goes with running the business. Because if you don't care about your business, with the same love and detail that you care about great books, amazing food, or writing beautiful software, you will inexorably go out of business.

-- Morgan

WendyLuvsCatz

SickleYield said:

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Now I just wish they would finally separate "hair textures" from "actual hair" in the category system.

I wish all textures were in a separate category
as a noob was caught out a lot but even now have to read carefully

hzr

*snip*
Just realized someone gave a similar reply already

Hera

I think there were actually some nice examples, I'd love an outfit like this:

Hera

By the way - more real historic outfits for men would be nice, like soldiers from different eras, fancy renaissance outfits, victorian suits et cetera.
That said I really like the Air Defender outfit we got today, although it was a bit on the expensive side but why no gloves or cap? And I hope it won't take that much tinkering to have Aminata hair fitting Gianni, because it's perfect for a recent project.

Cybersox

SickleYield said:

Yes, we are required to list that. Rendo requires that as well, actually, it's just they only require it in the readme (which there is a link to on every product page). I got in the habit of always clicking those for .dsa or .duf files, because a lot of artists used to claim their product "works in DS" when they did not provide any DS mats (in this case "works" meaning "doesn't crash it, just looks bad"). There's less of that now but it still does happen.

Indeed. And vice versa, a lot of products that work just fine in DS are often labeled the other way. I think a lot of it has to do with the relative dexterity with which individual artists use the programs. Some think nothing about having to manually load the bump maps, others assume that nothing lower than Poser 9 can handle anything, and some include an untextured .obj and think that covers everything. It is what it is, but the winds have been changing ever since the Genesis 2 figures rolled in.

Now I just wish they would finally separate "hair textures" from "actual hair" in the category system.

I'd love that but have come to accept that it will probably never happen. Not only are there a lot of folks who would never look at the textures at all, I suspect that the images with the textures are often what sells the product. As it is, I'm fairly certain that a large percentage of DAZ's hair sales can be partially attributed to texture sets being sold on Rendo.

Sorel

Herakleia said:

I think there were actually some nice examples, I'd love an outfit like this:

Yes please.

Cybersox

FYI, Out of Touch just launched Olly, a G2M companion figure to Dolly over at Rendo, and one of the launch outfits is a nice bit of formal wear called the "Festive Suit" that also works on the rest of the G2Ms. Textures on the base set are a bit toony, but there's already an add-on set by Shana's Soulmate.

cdemerit

Herakleia said:

I think there were actually some nice examples, I'd love an outfit like this:

Same here. looks great.

Pendraia

Interesting read...the funny thing though is I didn't learn anything new about male clothing and its lack but I did come away with the revelation that the men who use DS only wear jeans and flannelette shirts...no-one seemed to mention owning a suit. My husband doesn't like wearing suits and ties but he does own them, also some fancier shirts for going out. At one stage he even owned a second hand tux that he bought cheap from a formal wear place.

Now my husband isn't a fashion plate quite the opposite and I have seen many men who love fashion and coordinate their wardrobes as much as women do...looks like/sounds like using DS only attracts those who prefer comfort over style.

Nothing wrong with that...I just found it interesting.

namffuak

Pendraia said:

Interesting read...the funny thing though is I didn't learn anything new about male clothing and its lack but I did come away with the revelation that the men who use DS only wear jeans and flannelette shirts...no-one seemed to mention owning a suit. My husband doesn't like wearing suits and ties but he does own them, also some fancier shirts for going out. At one stage he even owned a second hand tux that he bought cheap from a formal wear place.

Now my husband isn't a fashion plate quite the opposite and I have seen many men who love fashion and coordinate their wardrobes as much as women do...looks like/sounds like using DS only attracts those who prefer comfort over style.

Nothing wrong with that...I just found it interesting.

Back in the day, when I was a professional computer geek and expected to 'dress' for work, I owned 4 pair of wool-blend dress slacks, 12 short-sleeve dress shirts (three each pale pink, light yellow, pale green, and light blue), a dark blazer, and a grey suit. For dress I added a tie; casual was without the tie. The blazer came into play for meetings, weddings, and funerals. I don't remember ever wearing the suit. I also owned several pair of dockers or equivalent (I haven't worn jeans since I was 12) and a tee-shirt or two (shirts without pockets don't work for geeks -- gotta have someplace for the pen).

Now that I'm retired the wool-blend slacks are gone, the blazer no longer fits, and the moths have done in the suit. :-)

almahiedra

GhostofMacbeth said:

Mr. Poser, I don't know anyone that would wear the majority of those clothes.

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

SnowSultan

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

LOL, some of those still look more Saturnian than Terran to me.

Nadino

I thought we all wanted everyday male stuff..... *confused*

Sorel

I'd like more male stuff in general. I render all sorts of genres.

CypherFOX

Greetings,

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

Oh! Scarves for males. Yeah, that'd be nice...

-- Morgan

almahiedra

SnowSultan said:

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

LOL, some of those still look more Saturnian than Terran to me.

hehe, take into account that I have a tropical taste. Probably some are saturnian for a "concrete city" but not for a "jungle-forest-concrete-beach city"

Pendraia

namffuak said:

Pendraia said:

Interesting read...the funny thing though is I didn't learn anything new about male clothing and its lack but I did come away with the revelation that the men who use DS only wear jeans and flannelette shirts...no-one seemed to mention owning a suit. My husband doesn't like wearing suits and ties but he does own them, also some fancier shirts for going out. At one stage he even owned a second hand tux that he bought cheap from a formal wear place.

Now my husband isn't a fashion plate quite the opposite and I have seen many men who love fashion and coordinate their wardrobes as much as women do...looks like/sounds like using DS only attracts those who prefer comfort over style.

Nothing wrong with that...I just found it interesting.

Back in the day, when I was a professional computer geek and expected to 'dress' for work, I owned 4 pair of wool-blend dress slacks, 12 short-sleeve dress shirts (three each pale pink, light yellow, pale green, and light blue), a dark blazer, and a grey suit. For dress I added a tie; casual was without the tie. The blazer came into play for meetings, weddings, and funerals. I don't remember ever wearing the suit. I also owned several pair of dockers or equivalent (I haven't worn jeans since I was 12) and a tee-shirt or two (shirts without pockets don't work for geeks -- gotta have someplace for the pen).

Now that I'm retired the wool-blend slacks are gone, the blazer no longer fits, and the moths have done in the suit. :-)My husband who is still a professional computer geek tends to wear more casual than that, a nice pair of chinos and a reasonable shirt (not necessarily office styling) and I can't remember the last time he wore a tie but he does still own them. The suit tends to come out for job interviews etc...my husband also complains if an item doesn't have sufficient pockets...

Pendraia

gilikshe said:

GhostofMacbeth said:

Mr. Poser, I don't know anyone that would wear the majority of those clothes.

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

I really like the clothes in the top two images...

LeatherGryphon

SnowSultan said:

A better examples of fashion men clothes. Less saturn, more earth. XD

LOL, some of those still look more Saturnian than Terran to me.

I think I saw a couple of Dr. Who costumes in there. %-P

Serene Night

I render sci fi and contemporary. I like the sexy pink shirt with the jewelry. Has some nice scifi application

Nadino

True. With different patterns I'm sure I can learn love like those designs.
But most runway pics for men's fashion have me wondering what drugs the designers were on during their concept stages :/