Ok, So this is Gen 9

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  • chevybabe25chevybabe25 Posts: 1,271

    From what I understand, compressing the PNGs in the layered image editor is what is slowing down LIE.  So you can make the choice to speed it up, but it increases the file size. Doing the opposite(Compression) will take a lot longer to load, but the file sizes will be much smaller. By default the slider is right in the middle.

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,612

    chevybabe25 said:

    From what I understand, compressing the PNGs in the layered image editor is what is slowing down LIE.  So you can make the choice to speed it up, but it increases the file size. Doing the opposite(Compression) will take a lot longer to load, but the file sizes will be much smaller. By default the slider is right in the middle.

    Thank you. I wouldn't really worry about file size.

    Do you know if you can copy a LIE setup to another channel?, e.g. if  you wnat to use the same setup in base and translucency color?

  • felis said:

    chevybabe25 said:

    From what I understand, compressing the PNGs in the layered image editor is what is slowing down LIE.  So you can make the choice to speed it up, but it increases the file size. Doing the opposite(Compression) will take a lot longer to load, but the file sizes will be much smaller. By default the slider is right in the middle.

    Thank you. I wouldn't really worry about file size.

    Do you know if you can copy a LIE setup to another channel?, e.g. if  you wnat to use the same setup in base and translucency color?

    Yes, you can! Just look at the filename in the channel you want to copy it from and select that one in the one you want to put it to. Just keep in mind that you'll have to apply it to the other channel each time a change is made. 

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Too bad that it's impossible to upgrade a working system with new options like that, right? devil

    Just imagine the company delivering your accounting software expecting you a new full price version each year, instead of offering upgrades for relatively small sums or sometimes even for free... devil

  • jd641jd641 Posts: 459

    ChangelingChick said:

     

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS. Free software, free figure, and no one is making you use either, however there are improvements that, with use, you will see. The best way to see the improvements is to use it. As was suggested you can save your installs of previous versions or install a beta to test it out. And again, you don't have to use it, but, like 8.1, not all of the functionality and improvements will be available to you. 

    I was planning on updating from 4.2 to 4.21 but I forgot where the folder is for the items you send to that custom created menu from the "Create Custom Action" is located. I want to back that up before I update because last time I updated, the folder was cleansed and I lost my menu with all my favorites in it. It's a good thing I had a backup drive or I would have been really pissed.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016
    edited October 2022

    maikdecker said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Too bad that it's impossible to upgrade a working system with new options like that, right? devil

    Just imagine the company delivering your accounting software expecting you a new full price version each year, instead of offering upgrades for relatively small sums or sometimes even for free... devil

    errr.... its free? It comes free with the upgrade to your FREE DS and FREE G9
    Products that make use of it are not free - why would they be? :)

    Post edited by Mada on
  • jd641 said:

    ChangelingChick said:

     

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS. Free software, free figure, and no one is making you use either, however there are improvements that, with use, you will see. The best way to see the improvements is to use it. As was suggested you can save your installs of previous versions or install a beta to test it out. And again, you don't have to use it, but, like 8.1, not all of the functionality and improvements will be available to you. 

    I was planning on updating from 4.2 to 4.21 but I forgot where the folder is for the items you send to that custom created menu from the "Create Custom Action" is located. I want to back that up before I update because last time I updated, the folder was cleansed and I lost my menu with all my favorites in it. It's a good thing I had a backup drive or I would have been really pissed.

    %appdata%/daz 3d/studio4/customactions.dsx

  • jd641 said:

    ChangelingChick said:

     

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS. Free software, free figure, and no one is making you use either, however there are improvements that, with use, you will see. The best way to see the improvements is to use it. As was suggested you can save your installs of previous versions or install a beta to test it out. And again, you don't have to use it, but, like 8.1, not all of the functionality and improvements will be available to you. 

    I was planning on updating from 4.2 to 4.21 but I forgot where the folder is for the items you send to that custom created menu from the "Create Custom Action" is located. I want to back that up before I update because last time I updated, the folder was cleansed and I lost my menu with all my favorites in it. It's a good thing I had a backup drive or I would have been really pissed.

    These will help with backing up, and restoing if that should be needed

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/file_io/file_zip_compress_each/start
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/file_io/file_zip_extract_each/start

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    jd641 said:

    ChangelingChick said:

     

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS. Free software, free figure, and no one is making you use either, however there are improvements that, with use, you will see. The best way to see the improvements is to use it. As was suggested you can save your installs of previous versions or install a beta to test it out. And again, you don't have to use it, but, like 8.1, not all of the functionality and improvements will be available to you. 

    I was planning on updating from 4.2 to 4.21 but I forgot where the folder is for the items you send to that custom created menu from the "Create Custom Action" is located. I want to back that up before I update because last time I updated, the folder was cleansed and I lost my menu with all my favorites in it. It's a good thing I had a backup drive or I would have been really pissed.

    These will help with backing up, and restoing if that should be needed

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/file_io/file_zip_compress_each/start
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/scripting/api_reference/samples/file_io/file_zip_extract_each/start

    OH!

    *yoink*

    Thank you, Richard :D 

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Mada said:

    maikdecker said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Too bad that it's impossible to upgrade a working system with new options like that, right? devil

    Just imagine the company delivering your accounting software expecting you a new full price version each year, instead of offering upgrades for relatively small sums or sometimes even for free... devil

    errr.... its free? It comes free with the upgrade to your FREE DS and FREE G9
    Products that make use of it are not free - why would they be? :)

    Oh, so I can use it with the product that I use? Meaning G8 of course... as it is, it's not an real update, but only a "you get a free base product that's a bit different from the one you already have, but to really be able to use it you have to buy all the stuff you already own for the old product again..." which isn't exactly "free" imho.

  • maikdecker said:

    Mada said:

    maikdecker said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Too bad that it's impossible to upgrade a working system with new options like that, right? devil

    Just imagine the company delivering your accounting software expecting you a new full price version each year, instead of offering upgrades for relatively small sums or sometimes even for free... devil

    errr.... its free? It comes free with the upgrade to your FREE DS and FREE G9
    Products that make use of it are not free - why would they be? :)

    Oh, so I can use it with the product that I use? Meaning G8 of course... as it is, it's not an real update, but only a "you get a free base product that's a bit different from the one you already have, but to really be able to use it you have to buy all the stuff you already own for the old product again..." which isn't exactly "free" imho.

    Of course you can use it with Gensis 8, you can even use many genesis 8 assets on it (AutoFit, people have posted tutorials on ways to convert texture and non-HD morphs, there is already a script to covnert poses, and I'm sure there will be more piolished versions of those tools from PAs in due course if you don't want to use the mmanual methods). If the changes strike you as minor then waitng, or skipping, won't be a problem.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Of course you can use it with Gensis 8, you can even use many genesis 8 assets on it (AutoFit, people have posted tutorials on ways to convert texture and non-HD morphs, there is already a script to covnert poses, and I'm sure there will be more piolished versions of those tools from PAs in due course if you don't want to use the mmanual methods). If the changes strike you as minor then waitng, or skipping, won't be a problem.

    Thanks for the clarification... the bolded part of the quote above made me think that it would be Generation 9 only updates. So Generation 9 is not better than for example Generation 8 in that LIE useability or... more advanced or whatever one might want to call it.?!?

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,364
    edited October 2022

    G9M's chest is doing exactly what I feared it would when I saw G9's ample default bosom.

    The 'emmaciated' and 'thin' body morphs have a visible under breast crease instead of lookng like undeveloped pectorals. The 'portly' shape has a odd flattened look. The muscular shape has some odd creasing as well.  

    Disappointing, but understandable since female figures are the focus. 

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  • @Outrider42 : DS4.15 does work with V9

    (G8F CB Milan Left, G9 V9 Right, with a Bbarbs G8F free pose from Rendo rendered in DS 4.15).

    Maybe DS4.21 is specified to get all the features. I know there is one menu relating to G9 in the parameters tab you cannot access in DS4.15

    Regards,

    Richard

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,025

    Timbales said:

    G9M's chest is doing exactly what I feared it would when I saw G9's ample default bosom.

    The 'emmaciated' and 'thin' body morphs have a visible under breast crease instead of lookng like undeveloped pectorals. The 'portly' shape has a odd flattened look. The muscular shape has some odd creasing as well.  

    Disappointing, but understandable since female figures are the focus. 

    I noticed the crease too and thought it was super weird, so I checked on the base figure. Are you dialing in the shape on HD Victoria? Because it only showed up on the base G9 figure for me when I loaded her HD body morphs.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,364

    Timbales said:

    G9M's chest is doing exactly what I feared it would when I saw G9's ample default bosom.

    The 'emmaciated' and 'thin' body morphs have a visible under breast crease instead of lookng like undeveloped pectorals. The 'portly' shape has a odd flattened look. The muscular shape has some odd creasing as well.  

    Disappointing, but understandable since female figures are the focus. 

    I noticed the crease too and thought it was super weird, so I checked on the base figure. Are you dialing in the shape on HD Victoria? Because it only showed up on the base G9 figure for me when I loaded her HD body morphs.

    I'm looking at the promo images for the G9M body shapes. I don't own V9, and I am hesitant to buy this set based on the image.
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  • maikdecker said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Of course you can use it with Gensis 8, you can even use many genesis 8 assets on it (AutoFit, people have posted tutorials on ways to convert texture and non-HD morphs, there is already a script to covnert poses, and I'm sure there will be more piolished versions of those tools from PAs in due course if you don't want to use the mmanual methods). If the changes strike you as minor then waitng, or skipping, won't be a problem.

    Thanks for the clarification... the bolded part of the quote above made me think that it would be Generation 9 only updates. So Generation 9 is not better than for example Generation 8 in that LIE useability or... more advanced or whatever one might want to call it.?!?

    Therea re new belend modes in LIE, before 4.21 it had only a very small subset of the modes available in an image editor (so you couldn't easily use a mask to lighten skin for tab lines, for example). Genesis 9 may well be usign soem of those, and so need 4.21+. Gensis 9 has some tools that use scripts loaded in the presets etc., again this is new/expanded in 4.21 and so may not work in older versions of DS. That was the point I was making there, not that Gensis 9 uses features that cannot be used on older figures at all.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Richard Haseltine said:

    maikdecker said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    Most visibly the LIE system has new layering options that are not there in earlier versions and there are built in utilities and script functions to G9 that were not available in previous versions of DS.

    Of course you can use it with Gensis 8, you can even use many genesis 8 assets on it (AutoFit, people have posted tutorials on ways to convert texture and non-HD morphs, there is already a script to covnert poses, and I'm sure there will be more piolished versions of those tools from PAs in due course if you don't want to use the mmanual methods). If the changes strike you as minor then waitng, or skipping, won't be a problem.

    Thanks for the clarification... the bolded part of the quote above made me think that it would be Generation 9 only updates. So Generation 9 is not better than for example Generation 8 in that LIE useability or... more advanced or whatever one might want to call it.?!?

    Therea re new belend modes in LIE, before 4.21 it had only a very small subset of the modes available in an image editor (so you couldn't easily use a mask to lighten skin for tab lines, for example). Genesis 9 may well be usign soem of those, and so need 4.21+. Gensis 9 has some tools that use scripts loaded in the presets etc., again this is new/expanded in 4.21 and so may not work in older versions of DS. That was the point I was making there, not that Gensis 9 uses features that cannot be used on older figures at all.

    Now you managed to totally irritate me... For me it's about if those new LIE options do work for Generation 8 figures, as I don't really bother about Generation 9 at all. And what ChangelingChick wrote made me think that these new options would be Generation 9 only... which would mean that I wouldn't have to bother about them...

  • The new blend modes address a long standing gamma issue where blending layers with opacity would have a darker greyish halo in the fade out zone. Since the makeups on V9 have very soft opacities, this would obviously impact the final visual result. The new blend modes are also using different code, and load the LI faster. There are also a lot more types of blending to bring it closer to what you can achieve in a image editing program.

    The older modes were left in as legacy support, so older products don't look different, but I don't anticipate anyone using them moving forward as they are both incorrect and slower.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169
    edited October 2022

    I like G9 and I really love the clothes that came out the other day. WTG fefecoolyellow :)

    Semi-custom character: a mix of Daz morphs and my own (I made a bunch while I was waiting for the Daz morphs to show up. LOL)

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  • AllenArt said:

    I like G9 and I really love the clothes that came out the other day. WTG fefecoolyellow :)

    Semi-custom character: a mix of Daz morphs and my own (I made a bunch while I was waiting for the Daz morphs to show up. LOL)

    I love Fefecoolyellow's stuff, I pick up everything they put out both here and at the other store. This was a great looking outfit. I was thinking about possibly picking it up, bringing it into Blender and parenting it to a G8 character there so I could still use it. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    benniewoodell said:

    AllenArt said:

    I like G9 and I really love the clothes that came out the other day. WTG fefecoolyellow :)

    Semi-custom character: a mix of Daz morphs and my own (I made a bunch while I was waiting for the Daz morphs to show up. LOL)

    I love Fefecoolyellow's stuff, I pick up everything they put out both here and at the other store. This was a great looking outfit. I was thinking about possibly picking it up, bringing it into Blender and parenting it to a G8 character there so I could still use it. 

    I thought it would take forever to simulate, but it really didn't. I was pleasantly surprised ;) 

  • @AllenArt That dress is gorgeous and what a beautiful render! Love the horse in the background, too.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169
    edited October 2022

    Calliope23 said:

    @AllenArt That dress is gorgeous and what a beautiful render! Love the horse in the background, too.

    I REALLY love the dress. It's one of my favorites ever, and I don't do much in the way of female renders ;). I can't wait to overuse it. LOLOL  And thanks!

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  • AllenArt said

    I REALLY love the dress. It's one of my favorites ever, and I don't do much in the way of female renders ;). I can't wait to overuse it. LOLOL  And thanks

    You're welcome! I bought the dress too after seeing your render of it. I got the Fair Maiden outfit, too. I usually render females, often of the fairy tale princess sort.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,171
    edited October 2022

    I started dialspinning G9 for the first time, and at some point it occurred to me that I was accidentally making young Peter Cushing.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Gordig said:

    I started dialspinning G9 for the first time, and at some point it occurred to me that I was accidentally making young Peter Cushing.

    Looks a lot more like Peter o'Toole to me.

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,033
    edited October 2022

    maikdecker said:

    Gordig said:

    I started dialspinning G9 for the first time, and at some point it occurred to me that I was accidentally making young Peter Cushing.

    Looks a lot more like Peter o'Toole to me.

    Yes, thank you. I agree on Peter oToole.

    Post edited by Masterstroke on
  • RenderPretenderRenderPretender Posts: 1,041
    edited December 2022

    PerttiA said:

    PixelSploiting said:

    Going to need morphs like Skin Folds & Creases, Auto Shape Enhancer and Ultimate Natural Bends. G9 mesh might need extra corrective JCM more than G8.

    They said posing/bending was better than on previous generations... Still trying to figure out how.

    I couldn't agree more. I've been fooling around with G9F using some free morphs and mods. Generally, the model seems acceptable, and the base textures are indeed quite nice. But the arms are nothing short of a regression to the V4 era. It's going to take some deep pockets to get G9F to what G8F is capable of in terms of anatomical and muscular realism, particularly about the shoulders and elbows. In the aggregate, she's a huge disappointment.

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2023

    MeneerWolfman said:

    AllenArt said:

    MeneerWolfman said:

    AllenArt said:

    This is G9 male with a G8 pose converted with richardandtracy's free pose converter and AOBB's Yves head morph. I turned both the head and body a little past 100 percent for base masculine. He looks a little doughy, but male. TBH, I think ALL the Genesis bases look a bit doughy, but then that's the point, right? Blank canvas ;)

    Lovely image, but that nipple placement is giving G2M PTSD flashbacks sad

    would be really nice if the base morphs allowed them to be moved around a little ;) At least he doesn't have MOOBS as big as Michael 2 did. LOL 

    Yeah, there were some lovely characters for g2m, but lordie, was it obvious that base mesh was converted from g2f.

    I don't really think the nipple placement is a problem. The bottom and inner edges are fairly pronounced but not completely beyond the pale. I've seen female figures with far more egregious excesses. Haven't you?

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