why isn't anybody talking about Daz 4.22?

How is it? any major bugs? 

The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

 

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Usually it is better to wait a few weeks until the impatient ones have tested it first 

  • Korpin.SulatKorpin.Sulat Posts: 414
    edited November 2023

    That, and it looks as though you have to be logged in to Daz Connect to enjoy oneof the main touted benefits, the instant meta updating. And it's unclear whether or not it will overwrite user meta, which leaves me to wonder if Lost & Found will ever clear out. And on the templates video, it looks like I'll be seeing lots of advertizing in my Studio as well. It makes me wonder if the intent is to wean people off of DIM, or at least give its users a lesser experience. I hope not.

    Post edited by Korpin.Sulat on
  • PerttiA said:

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Usually it is better to wait a few weeks until the impatient ones have tested it first 

    Usually that's my approach, but that "fast asset loading" is too tempting, 

    But then I remember the horror experience I had with 4.21 update by the time it first released, it destroyed all my metadata, I ended up re-download all my contents and reset my working environment which took me almost a week just to get things back the way it was.  

    really hope roll back to last version is an option, don't know why it never materialized

     

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986
    edited November 2023

    windli3356 said:

    PerttiA said:

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Usually it is better to wait a few weeks until the impatient ones have tested it first 

    Usually that's my approach, but that "fast asset loading" is too tempting, 

    But then I remember the horror experience I had with 4.21 update by the time it first released, it destroyed all my metadata, I ended up re-download all my contents and reset my working environment which took me almost a week just to get things back the way it was.  

    really hope roll back to last version is an option, don't know why it never materialized

     

    Discussion of bugs is usually in here - https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/601796/daz-studio-pro-beta-version-4-22-0-1-updated#latest

    Better to wait for more time, especially this time... If you wanna experience 'fast asset loading' which's been already there for nearly a year, go for installing a Public Build.

    Post edited by crosswind on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    ...well a "no-go" here as I'm still on WIndows 7 

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    kyoto kid said:

    ...well a "no-go" here as I'm still on WIndows 7 

    Should still work, except for Iray rendering and dForce as there are no 5xx drivers for W7

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941
    edited November 2023

    Well I'm ready to give it a try but DIM says it's already installed which looks like a bug (reported in the DIM sticky), so not sure what happens if I try to install it.

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • OmnifluxOmniflux Posts: 377

    @Taoz

    DIM shows the name associated with the SKU (updated when you login) not with the package that was installed. The name associated with the SKU changed which is why you are seeing that.

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,489

    windli3356 said:

    PerttiA said:

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Usually it is better to wait a few weeks until the impatient ones have tested it first 

    Usually that's my approach, but that "fast asset loading" is too tempting, 

    But then I remember the horror experience I had with 4.21 update by the time it first released, it destroyed all my metadata, I ended up re-download all my contents and reset my working environment which took me almost a week just to get things back the way it was.  

    really hope roll back to last version is an option, don't know why it never materialized

     

    There is no rollback option, or support. Keep a copy of your program downloads, and any dependent plugins. You can install older versions with DIM offline by copying the relevant packages into the download folder. Uninstall the current version and the older one will become Ready To Install.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988

    As always, I'll wait a month or two and then probably take the plunge.

    The eternal question: Does GenX still work? Any other assets that may stop working?

     

    "Official" Ghost Lights, yay! But correct me if I'm wrong, the old Ghost Lights (from before the IRAY update) not only were invisible but they also behaved differently regarding specular reflections? I wonder if these new Ghost Lights also behave that way? It doesn't look like it in the youtube video, but I can't be sure.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941

    Omniflux said:

    @Taoz

    DIM shows the name associated with the SKU (updated when you login) not with the package that was installed. The name associated with the SKU changed which is why you are seeing that.

    OK, thanks.  I would call that a reporting bug then.

  • No need for DAZ connect.

    Make sure to have the latest NV GPU driver installed.

    First reaction: Renders look slightly more saturated.

  • LauritaLaurita Posts: 222
    edited November 2023

     

    Masterstroke said:

     

    First reaction: Renders look slightly more saturated.

     Can't see any difference tbh. But most of all I definitely do not see the slightest improvement in loading times, if anything they appear to be even worse.


    Edit: Turns out I was VERY wrong. Loading the same (complex) character from my avatar from an HDD into an empty scene in a freshly started DAZ Studio: 1:43 minute under 4.21, 1:08 under 4.22

    Post edited by Laurita on
  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,047

    Just tested it out.

    What I don't like is that there is no way to disable the ad on the right and the store tab in the new template dialog.

  • An Ad in DS? What an unacceptable waste of screen space.

    Regards,

    Richard.

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941

    NorthOf45 said:

    windli3356 said:

    PerttiA said:

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Usually it is better to wait a few weeks until the impatient ones have tested it first 

    Usually that's my approach, but that "fast asset loading" is too tempting, 

    But then I remember the horror experience I had with 4.21 update by the time it first released, it destroyed all my metadata, I ended up re-download all my contents and reset my working environment which took me almost a week just to get things back the way it was.  

    really hope roll back to last version is an option, don't know why it never materialized

     

    There is no rollback option, or support. Keep a copy of your program downloads, and any dependent plugins. You can install older versions with DIM offline by copying the relevant packages into the download folder. Uninstall the current version and the older one will become Ready To Install.

    I've written a DS version manager (Windows) which makes it simple to backup as well as restore (to the DIM Downloads folder) any version including plugins.  Just need to do the annoying part, writing the documention.  

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    richardandtracy said:

    An Ad in DS? What an unacceptable waste of screen space.

    Regards,

    Richard.

    Sadly, that seems to be the new standard in software design, make every (useless) feature as large as possible and fill everything with (usless) decorations, oddly enough because people are using tablets and smart phones...

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057
    edited November 2023

    PerttiA said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...well a "no-go" here as I'm still on WIndows 7 

    Should still work, except for Iray rendering and dForce as there are no 5xx drivers for W7

    ...none at all I'm running a special security version of the last driver for W7 that support Iray which leaves me at 4.21.0,5.  Not going to go back to glacially long render times and still trying to work out the reason dForce keeps crashing my display driver when using the Titan-X to run sims (thoise are glacially slow as well on the CPU).

    With living costs continuing to head upwards (will also have to deal with a rent, utilitiy, and transit fare increase at the beginning of the new year on a fixed income) it pretty much has come down to needing a small windfall to upgrade my system to W11 standards.

    Also not thrilled about the news that MS will introduce an AI assistant in W11 (already uploaded to those on the Windows Insider development track)..

    Like, what could go wrong?.

    richardandtracy said:

    An Ad in DS? What an unacceptable waste of screen space.

    Regards,

    Richard.

    ...indeed.

    Sounds Like they took a cue from Micrrosoft. 

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • I was brave this time and installed it right away. My scripts, favorites, products, toolbar, custom workspace and metadata... are all there. So that's a good start! I worked online for the last year and a half, so I can't tell the difference between be connected or not anymore. 

    For me the new AI generative fill AD in Photoshop is waaay more annoying than this one.Cheers.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,058

    I just installed 4.22, loaded a G8.1F dev load, and it was substantially faster than in previous versions, and that's even with duplicate formulas that I haven't bothered resolving.

  • Updated Nvidia drivers too so maybe not DAZ 4.22 fault but now I can't render the same scene twice without it falling back to CPU mode unless I restart DAZ. Seems like it worse at freeing up GPU memory after rendering an image.

  • I installed the update and opened a file I'd been working on all day. Update used over 10gb of Gpu, 35gb ram. Uninstalled it and reinstalled previous version, GPU back to 7.9Gb, RAM 27Gb. Will stick with previous version.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,941

    Gordig said:

    I just installed 4.22, loaded a G8.1F dev load, and it was substantially faster than in previous versions, and that's even with duplicate formulas that I haven't bothered resolving.

    About 4½ minute to load a random G8F here (570 installed).  Don't recall exactly how long it used to take but I think it was a couple of minutes longer.

  • PitmaticPitmatic Posts: 899
    edited November 2023

    How do  back up 4.21 so if this is breaks i still have it to work with?

    Also can the ad be removed?

     

    Post edited by Pitmatic on
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,058

    Stop the presses. G8 aniblocks are now butter-smooth and realtime in the viewport.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986

    Pitmatic said:

    How do  back up 4.21 so if this is breaks i still have it to work with?

    Also can the ad be removed?

     

    Just go to you IM package Download folder , as per your OS, backup IM00013176-02_DAZStudio421Win64bit.zip first. Then open DIM, check if there's any updated plugin package pushed to you in Ready to Download tab, then backup the plugin packages as well.

    Ads cannot be removed for the time being. You don't have to use new 'New...' dialogue if you don't like it. Create a new empty scene, save it and create a custom action for it. Then assign shortcut Ctrl + N to the action.

  • Is there anyway to bypass or turn off the advertisements?  I feel like I get spammed enough with email, mail, tv, etc.  Could do with a little less of it please.

  • richardandtracy said:

    An Ad in DS? What an unacceptable waste of screen space

    They're stuffing ads into Studio? Well, installing this version just went from "maybe" to "not a chance".

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    ColinFrench said:

    richardandtracy said:

    An Ad in DS? What an unacceptable waste of screen space

    They're stuffing ads into Studio? Well, installing this version just went from "maybe" to "not a chance".

    Yup! 

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,457

    windli3356 said:

    How is it? any major bugs? 

    The "fast asset loading" is very tempting, but since almost all Daz past updates had catastrophic bugs and errors, making the trade off not worth it, I'm really afraid history will repeat itself with this new update. 

    And not having a roll back option certainly isn’t helping, I can only hope to find out from someone who downloaded and tried

    Daz likes to follow the principle: "The product matures with the customer". Something, such as the new shop, is presented with great fanfare and then needs months to function halfway. So if you can't afford to become a beta (gamma, delta, etc.) tester at the drop of a hat, you should take your time. I do. Also, I don't like the Daz Connect thing.

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