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Given the often voluminous complaints about the store being full of nothing but 'skimpwear' , it possible that Daz is trying to make sure the outfits in the character bundles are more modest. Still looking through the store there seem to be plenty of outfits of all levels of coverage for every generation of figure even if they aren't being sold in bundles. There seems to be this habit of thinking of the store in terms of the character bundles but there are plenty of products of all types outside the bundles.
Well said, but it goes both ways. Not everybody is interested in "believability", and actually do prefer pinup style. I've done an actual count in the store several times for shoe styles on the most recent sci-fi sets, and it turned out it was generally slightly in favour of flats, like, 50-55 percent of the sci-fi outfits had flat shoes or boots, about 35-40 heels had, and then there were a couple that didn't have shoes at all, or actually provided both options (very rare, but there's a couple around).
I think the biggest problem is that the style regularly mismatches the rest of the outfit: sleek skintight outfits that leave little to the imagination get flats, while outfits with armor pieces and such seem to get heels. Overal, we'll just have to kitbash a bit I think. I know I have bought full outfits purely for nicely designed heeled boots, and skipped outfits because they didn't have any, or waited for them to go into a bigger discount after a few months than the usual 30% release discount. And when I actually start rendering, I regularly borrow the boots from one outfit and redo their materials to match another outfit. But outfits coming with both options is the best of both worlds in my opinion.
To clarify, is this a discussion about sexy/beautiful vs. non-sexy/beautiful or are we talking about video game hyperbeauty vs. real human beauty? Daz has certainly gone down the road of trying to portray 3D models that reflect realistic female beauty, which for my art is GREAT, but that's obviously a divergence from the classic Lara Croft legacy of hyperreal sex appeal in 3D models. There's room for both, for sure, so I get that argument... but I think you're kidding yourself if you're actually saying if Angharad, Celani, Aubrey, Mei Lin or Kayo came to life Weird Science style and told you they wanted you, yeah, you'd be telling her "sorry but you're too plain"
Me'thinks not...
And TBH, I don't think Daz have even BEGUN to deliver a wide range of faces or body types... where's (the very pretty) Bethany 8 and male equivalent? The full G8 range is currently either buff or at least slim, except for the over 60s characters. I'm one of the only people in my friend group who enjoys the gym, lol, so I don't consider the current slim and toned G8 range to exactly be slipping that far into "real life" and away from the old idealised 3D models...
Thank you
My friend made it for me! A little cartoon portrait.
I think we can agree that even good things have a downside sometimes. The question here was if this was such a case. Don’t see the problem with that. Btw, everything is politics these days. Everything.
The MeToo movement is about very real women speaking up about very real and terrible abuse that they have endured... perhaps it's not very sensitive to link that with an argument about 3D women not being overtly sexy enough and the sex appeal/footwear of 3D women...
Not trying to censor or be thought police or suggest anyone has had unkind intentions here, but just courteous to the MANY for whom MeToo has been incredibly meaningful... the movement is about standing up to ABUSE... it has nothing to do with clothes or being sexy...
I guess it didn't sell to well since the very next day it was released, we are having 25% off coupons on the main shop page.
I thought Latoya 8 was the Bethany replacement.
Yeah, Bethany 7 is one of the body shapes I moved into Genesis 8 with the morph transfer utility and have saved as a separate pre-set template.
(Latonya 8 also has a good shape, but IMO, she is no Bethany 7.)
As for requriing more full coverage clothing through Pro Bundles? Meh. That's a boatload of meh for me.
People ought to buy it in the store and make the case for vendors to make more of it. (And I DO buy plenty of full coverage bodysuits and body armor, like Midnight_stories' sci-fi suits, so it ain't me who's ignoring the store.) Having this full-coverage stuff as required in a Pro Bundle? AND requiring dForce? How many capes and cloaks and ankle-length dresses and high-waisted pants does one need?
The value is not there for me, but others might want more dForce full coverage outfits, I guess. I don't think they actually are responding to criticism. It just seems like a trick to force us to buy more of what we want since we don''t get as much of that through the Pro Bundles anymore.
The outfits just seem predictable more than anything else, like there's been stricter/harder requirements for these Pro Bundles lately. I can't really blame the artists when you look at what is in the store versus what we actually get in the Pro Bundles these days.
I think I might just get Celani 8, not this bundle.
The clothing is not a theme I need. I don't really see much Post-Apoc in this, anyway. It really seems like some kind of Fantasy stuffed into Post-Apoc.
Like, what happened to Sci Fi? We hardly knew ye. That was a really brief diversion into Sci Fi because Celani 8 looks much more Fantasy themed than Sci Fi.
For instance, if Celani had an Afro-Futurist theme, that would've gone straight to the cart.
The Kwan/Kayo Alien Bundle was superior compared to the Kayo Bundle (and I like Wrasslin).
In some ways, I hope there is no repeat of that Kayo/Kwan thing. In other ways, I hope there's another bundle of the quality of the Alien/Kayo/Kwan release. Afro-Futurist Celani 8 versus Mutant bundle? (Like Kwan versus Aliens?) Now that would be something.
Celani looks good, I will buy her. As for the rest of the bundle, not so interesting if you own already half the store items. I might have bought the bundle if I would not need 4 add-ons for the Storm Scapes backdrops, but it costs less than 3 add-ons if I buy it directly. As for the free incentives, well, most of the categories don*t contain anything I want. Nor if I could bundle the free bucks to one category ...
I like it. The drawing has a Catwoman/Audey Hepburn vibe. Looks cool. May I ask if your friend generated it on a website or drew it? If they drew it, I would be interested in seeing more of their art.
Well, it seems that we've mostly stopped complaining about the deal (which I didn't find impressive either) and are finally discussing the actual bundle. My own position is that of an illustrator. And what I illustrate are usually stories. They're posted online on my own site, so I don't really need to grab attention with a catchy cover (although I'll usually add one, but it probably won't entail 3D). If someone clicks on the link, they are already interested enough to at least check it out.
None of the stories so far have been SF, or post apcolyptic, and I don't do pinups, so right there a lot of the stuff in the store is basically off target from the get-go. I try to make the image fit the story, and the store here has no idea what the story may be, and I don't expect it to. Besides, there are a lot of stories. Even I can't predict which one I'll be working on next. But it probably still won't be SF or post-apocalyptic.
So.
The character comes with yet another pack of extreme makeup that I cannot imagine ever needing or using, but that's fairly inevitable these days. I may very well use the morph, because it's a good morph. If we're going for themes, that morph *looks* like a survivor. I probably will use the skin, if I can get it lit decently. I work in 3DL almost exclusively. Trying to get dark skin lit properly in a scene with people who aren't dark skinned, can be problematic.
Both hairs look excelent. And *Thank you AprilYSH for including 3DL maaterials.* This is one of the dreadlocks styles that actually looks like some of the dreads I've seen. The Prae hair is lovely, but I'm not even going to try to guess how long it will take to render. And this is another one which will be getting smacked with Disparate Dreamer's Hana 3DL hair shaders. I'm still waiting for somebody to grab this ball and run with it, and offer a broader range of 3DL hair shaders than can make all of this frapping Iray hair usable.
Nothing to say about the pose sets.
The clothing? Well, like I say, I haven't got much of a call for post-apocolypse per se. But I do a lot of kitbashing, and most of these come in separate pieces which may well get used for that. I really like the Huntress set. I'd particularly like to see how parts of it work on male figures. I've got the cross-figure converter, so I'll soon find out. The Dystopian Dreams has some interesting possibilities. The open-toed boots look silly as all get out in the desert setting of the promos, but I could see them happily worn by a Boho type in an urban setting. The road warrior and rogue getups both have bits than might be useful, although I would prefer them not to look *quite* so painted on, and I can't help but find them a little repetitive, but, still, possibly useful.
Not my favorite bundle by any means, but there are things that I can see getting some use out of.
So far I don't regret getting the pro bundle. And I think the main character is fairly pretty.
I think she's lovely. A very classy lady.
Does anyone remember the old days when threads like this one would be full of people sharing renders using characters and such from the bundle? @NylonGirl 's render is the first one I've noticed in this thread and we are already on page 5... Your pic looks very nice BTW!
Admittedly, I've been complicit in this as well, but yeah more pretty pics please!.
Agreed
Celani looks amazing in both Mark's and NylonGirls renders. I can definitely see the Eva Pigford similarity someone mentioned earlier! The tone of her skin looks beautiful.
Yeah, if I didn't get the character right away, I always looked forward to the renders to see what more was possible and decide if the character was for me or not. Plus it's just fun to see what everyone creates in general.
And the two renders above look great!
So, a further 30% off is possible now on this bundle with the current 30% coupon (it can be used for gift cards). I'm reconsidering how many bonus items are of use to me in the 7 categories. Thanks again Daz!
Love the styling!
I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble, but the fine print says 'excludes new releases'. It might stretch the $10/15 off each category a bit father though. I already grabbed the bundle so I can't test this, but others might be able to confirm/deny. However, that will 'coupon block' the other coupon in play (the Celani 8 pro bundle 48 hour discount coupon is for an extra 25% off.).
Of course, if you are using store credit to buy the bundle that you banked at a discount via a gift card, yeah that's an extra discount, so there's that. But you'd need to buy the gift card first, bank the store credit, then use said credit on the purchase. I do all my Daz store purchases (except gift cards of course) via gift card store credit as a matter of course, so for me it's not an 'extra' 30% off of what I would usually pay. The last time I banked store credit, it was around 30% off or so and the time before that was a bit more...
And I can confirm the 30% did work with a gift card that I just purchased. 30% off of a gift card is an excellent excuse to bank more store credit. Discounts higher than that on gift cards are fairly rare, especially when that's without prereq purchases.
Beautiful. The closeup of the skin in this render is gorgeous
Without prereq is also the biggest i got. And it can be stacked with this: https://www.daz3d.com/5-dollar-interactive-licenses-for-your-apps-and-games to get up to 44% discount.
Sadly, i'm very low on resources for a couple months and 200 (or 112+item) is out of the question for me. I'm even hesitating on a 50 gc for $35.
That's what I get for not paying attention. Ahh well. 30% off is better than 0%...
Here are some "out of the box" renders, except I used her Translucency Low setting and lowered her Duel Lobe Specular Reflectivity to .50:
I think she's pretty and I really like her. She seems to have "personality" which, to me, can be rare for 3D figures. I think Capsces poses and expressions really bring a lot to the table and highlight a lot of that "personality" - I can't wait to pick up those poses!
She looks really versatile to me and I think I can use her in a lot of different types of renders. I can see her glammed up but also could see her in the trenches fighting against the toughest monsters. I think she's going to be one of my faves! Her chin and jaw are a bit "strong" for my personal taste, but that should be an easy adjustment to bring their size down a tad.
And this is one of the PA figures Dezzi in her road warrior outfit with Yara hair.
Why oh why did I have to post my renders directly under @Divamakeup. It is like posting your 4 year olds crayon drawing under a rembrandt.
David
hahah Don't say that - Your renders are gorgeous, David (and mine are definitely nothing special). I love the over-the-shoulder closeup. She's got "tude" but also looks really cute. Dezzi is adorable, it looks like Adiene and Vex did a great job on her!