Not a fan of the new product library layout

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  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,544

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Well it's a start, just checked, YAY!  Besides the product description, what else was it that we wanted to see on the product library pages, besides the now re-added order number and order date?

    Ability to "Go To" a specific page of products. The number of pages is shown, but you have to click through one at a time to go to page X of many. Not so bad if you have 5 pages of products, not so fun if you have 400 and want to go to page 200.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,394
    NorthOf45 said:

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Well it's a start, just checked, YAY!  Besides the product description, what else was it that we wanted to see on the product library pages, besides the now re-added order number and order date?

    Ability to "Go To" a specific page of products. The number of pages is shown, but you have to click through one at a time to go to page X of many. Not so bad if you have 5 pages of products, not so fun if you have 400 and want to go to page 200.

    That would be nice, but I don't recall that being a feature of the old product library.

    The only thing I think is missing from the "old way" is the product description, which, as has been stated before, is particularly important for dicontinued products.

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,544
    Havos said:
    NorthOf45 said:

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Well it's a start, just checked, YAY!  Besides the product description, what else was it that we wanted to see on the product library pages, besides the now re-added order number and order date?

    Ability to "Go To" a specific page of products. The number of pages is shown, but you have to click through one at a time to go to page X of many. Not so bad if you have 5 pages of products, not so fun if you have 400 and want to go to page 200.

    That would be nice, but I don't recall that being a feature of the old product library.

    The only thing I think is missing from the "old way" is the product description, which, as has been stated before, is particularly important for dicontinued products.

    I can't say for sure, I might have convinced myself it was like that before. The Mandela effect perhaps, but I do recall others who mentioned it. I don't have the patience to read the other 12 pages of entries.

  • NorthOf45 said:
    Besides the product description, what else was it that we wanted to see on the product library pages, besides the now re-added order number and order date?

    Ability to "Go To" a specific page of products. The number of pages is shown, but you have to click through one at a time to go to page X of many. Not so bad if you have 5 pages of products, not so fun if you have 400 and want to go to page 200.

    And the reason this is such a problem is because the paging isn't reflected in the displayed browser URL — that always shows whichever product you've selected from the list. I never liked that way of doing anything. I'm fairly sure I remember a couple of store iterations back, we could just edit the page number into the URL. Mind you, way back then it wasn't such a problem anyway since I (and probably most of you) didn't have quite so many hundred pages in my Product Library...

    And I just noticed something else, we also get the SKU number (just below the store page link). Handy.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,775
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.
  • barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    +1yes

  • barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    They need to stop listening to whoever is coming up with these bright ideas to begin with.  Now if they put it back the way it was, and ditched Daz Central (fat chance) everything would be peachy.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Becasue real people's face don't make expressions from bones inside the face.  It wasn't a problem with the G3s, but the G8s have a couple of bones that cause angled bends in the expressions that are completely unnatural... most notably the v-angled "Joker" smile.

  • GreeboGreebo Posts: 161

    Not that many years ago, you could enter the page number in a field on the product page and jump to page 200 of 400
    Don't know what genius decided to get rid of that "useless" feature.

  • Cybersox said:

    Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Becasue real people's face don't make expressions from bones inside the face.  It wasn't a problem with the G3s, but the G8s have a couple of bones that cause angled bends in the expressions that are completely unnatural... most notably the v-angled "Joker" smile.

    Lol yeah, it was a rhetorical question in the vein of "whyyyyyyy" and shaking my fist impotently at the sky. That and the explosion of DFEs that came with transferring custom characters to G8 were nasty surprises when I switched. I decided the DFE issue was a problem for future me, and... well, it's the future.

    At least there's a decent smile pack that doesn't produce nightmare fuel. Usually I don't bother buying expressions, but some of these triggered my "those would be so cute if they worked out" sense. Then I loaded them up (only half of them come with dials, the G8M ones are shape only so they're all or nothing which is another reason to return) and went, "...oh. Right. That."

    One of my boys has a reasonably large mouth and the one I was really hoping to use ended up making it look kinda like an angular cat butt.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

     

    Unusual, but very nice!

    Now I would like the product descriptions back (yes, I do have quite a number of discontinued products ... the downside of being a longtime customer).

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,905
    Greebo said:

    Not that many years ago, you could enter the page number in a field on the product page and jump to page 200 of 400
    Don't know what genius decided to get rid of that "useless" feature.

    Yes, you could. It definitely was a feature. I have hundreds of Product Library pages and could type in the page number in the url section and whoosh! I was there. This is totally stupid to not be able to do that. In case people are wondering why someone would need to get to the middle of their library, if you're printing out all the pages of your Product Library, or doing images for all your products, etc-  if a stupid Windows update shuts down your computer you lose your place and have to go back to page one! 

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,216

    I appreciate the compliment, but I won't take down my freebies, they will stay available. I just won't be giving daz3d anymore money. Corporations won't learn or change or listen to their customers unless it negatively affects their profit margins. And I know I am but one person, but still. My piddly $50-$100 a month being gone, probably won't make much of a difference, but I'd rather give it to a different store that is a bit more customer friendly. Or maybe if a few PAs start their own stores, then I'll support them, as long as daz3d doesn't see a single red cent of my money. Ever Again. 

    ah, i didn't fear you might take your freebies away - being active in the 3d scene and being a daz customer doesn't necessarily go hand in hand.
    and i got your point from your previous post already, that's why i used the term "frightening" - not for you or me, but for daz as a business. because from what i gathered in this thread (and others), you're by far not the only one being sick about various reforms and novelties, and/or the attitude towards us customers. plus everyone here is saying this openly and aloud, not just mumbling by themselves. which means there ARE a lot of other annoyed people who don't write but don't think less...

    EDIT: well, i dunno how much a salary around here is, but i'd say 20-30 people like you with their "piddly 100$" already pay 1 employee. multiply this by the number of annoyed people in the customer database, and suddenly it doesn't seem so piddly any more. yeah, and then come those who spend way more, it multiplies even faster.

    You're not alone, zombietaggerung. I'm "taking a break" from the store.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414

    aaaah finally, good job to put back good things the way they were before. glad to see the order, sku etc!

    now, i don't have 400.. but still 65 pages of products listed, and yeah it's a pain to go thru that. wouldn't be that much tho if the "pages" weren't so ridiculously short. why the heck limit the lenght to what, 40 products??? i had a script on my old firefox that made it grow to 100, haven't tried it on chrome yet since i don't remember where it is, but why isn't this list longer by default anyways? even if a field to jump would still be great, i'd love a longer list.

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,468

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Amen to that! (I have quite a lot of discontinued stuff and the wayback machine is a bit of a pain sometimes)

  • It is partly fixed & I am pleased. 

    I am taking a break from the Daz Store too, It's not a statement of discontent, instead a reflection of the fact I have spent this month's budget of £22.Next budget month starts a week today.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    MelanieL said:

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Amen to that! (I have quite a lot of discontinued stuff and the wayback machine is a bit of a pain sometimes)

    did you actually find anything useful in terms of discontinued product pages via wayback machine? don't you actually need a correct url to start?

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,468
    MelanieL said:

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Amen to that! (I have quite a lot of discontinued stuff and the wayback machine is a bit of a pain sometimes)

    did you actually find anything useful in terms of discontinued product pages via wayback machine? don't you actually need a correct url to start?

    That's what I mean by a pain! You can sometimes find them by taking the product name from Product Library and setting it all to lower case with hyphens is place of blanks.
    e.g. "Lisa's Botanicals - Sunflower" in Product Library I guessed would translate to https://www.daz3d.com/lisas-botanicals-sunflower " in wayback machine, where I found a working link for Jan 2013. Some products are a fairly simple guess, others take more trial and error. Hence why I'd like to see the descriptions back in Product Library.
    (You can also try the PA name to get a snapshot of their back catalog in days of yore, but the links from there don't always work.)

     

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    MelanieL said:
    MelanieL said:

    Yea ! Progress is being made with improving the product library page. Check it out. The two most important things (the order number and date) have now been added back. yes

    Now if we also get a product description, especially for products that have been discontinued.

    Amen to that! (I have quite a lot of discontinued stuff and the wayback machine is a bit of a pain sometimes)

    did you actually find anything useful in terms of discontinued product pages via wayback machine? don't you actually need a correct url to start?

    That's what I mean by a pain! You can sometimes find them by taking the product name from Product Library and setting it all to lower case with hyphens is place of blanks.
    e.g. "Lisa's Botanicals - Sunflower" in Product Library I guessed would translate to https://www.daz3d.com/lisas-botanicals-sunflower " in wayback machine, where I found a working link for Jan 2013. Some products are a fairly simple guess, others take more trial and error. Hence why I'd like to see the descriptions back in Product Library.
    (You can also try the PA name to get a snapshot of their back catalog in days of yore, but the links from there don't always work.)

     

    good to know, i wouldn't even have thought of that. thx a lot for the detailed info, might come in handy ^^ - however yeah i agree, having the descriptions more or less like they are or were on the old product pages directly in the product library is very useful anyways but a must for discontinued stuff.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

    What is the benefit of the product page vs the readme?
  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,468
    j cade said:
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

     

    What is the benefit of the product page vs the readme?

    In my case, for many of the older products which are no longer in the store the ReadMe's don't exist. (My Sunflowers example above is a case in point)

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    MelanieL said:
    j cade said:
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

     

    What is the benefit of the product page vs the readme?

    In my case, for many of the older products which are no longer in the store the ReadMe's don't exist. (My Sunflowers example above is a case in point)

    Not only for old products.  Lots of new products are missing readmes, too.

  • MelanieL said:
    In my case, for many of the older products which are no longer in the store the ReadMe's don't exist. (My Sunflowers example above is a case in point)

    Either "don't exist" or only existed as a minimal placeholder carried over from the ancient ArtZone site. I've come across way too many of those in my ReadMe archive wanderings.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,093

    @DAZ

    Thank you for listening to us and doing the sensible thing regarding bringing back order numbers and purchase dates of products. Whoever made the decision to leave them out only increased the grumbling, dissatisfaction and complaining. This is of no use to DAZ. Somebody needs to have a talk with this person, remove him or her from making such decisions, or widen the decision-making team to prevent such 'slips' from being enacted.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited September 2020

    the new layout does not work withy my workflow, feeling the final discouragement from buying content

    and still hating the webp product image

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  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,093
    mcorr said:
    Torquinox said:

    It would be great for Daz to put the purchase details and item descriptions back in the library pages, but I will be surprised if it ever actually happens. Done is done, and I imagine they had their reasons for removing all that in the first place.

    I'm not sure about that. If enough people speak up, they'll probably come around (if they don't on their own recognicance).

    @ Torquinox

    They've restored product purchase dates and purchase order numbers. Your imagination was mistaken (and mine was fortunately correct). It was (probably) just some yahoo making decisions that a second pair of higher-up eyes didn't clear. Much less 'intent' and 'purpose' than you assume. Certainly no well thought out purpose anyway. DAZ doesn't always get everything right (in fact, they do stuff I'd never do because I think some of that is really bad for the bottomline), but they are not devoid of being able to hear people, which is its saving grace. It's what keeps the business concept hobbling along, as do the rock bottom sales they know we love so much.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,590

    Glad to see order numbers back.

    mcorr said:
    mcorr said:
    Torquinox said:

    It would be great for Daz to put the purchase details and item descriptions back in the library pages, but I will be surprised if it ever actually happens. Done is done, and I imagine they had their reasons for removing all that in the first place.

    I'm not sure about that. If enough people speak up, they'll probably come around (if they don't on their own recognicance).

    @ Torquinox

    They've restored product purchase dates and purchase order numbers. Your imagination was mistaken (and mine was fortunately correct). It was (probably) just some yahoo making decisions that a second pair of higher-up eyes didn't clear. Much less 'intent' and 'purpose' than you assume. Certainly no well thought out purpose anyway. DAZ doesn't always get everything right (in fact, they do stuff I'd never do because I think some of that is really bad for the bottomline), but they are not devoid of being able to hear people, which is its saving grace. It's what keeps the business concept hobbling along, as do the rock bottom sales they know we love so much.

    When the descriptions are back, then I'll cheer, Not one moment sooner.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    Sevrin said:
    MelanieL said:
    j cade said:
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

     

    What is the benefit of the product page vs the readme?

    In my case, for many of the older products which are no longer in the store the ReadMe's don't exist. (My Sunflowers example above is a case in point)

    Not only for old products.  Lots of new products are missing readmes, too.

    That makes sense. I don't think I have that many, mainly because I rarely buy something without going to the readme and reading the file list - If daz ever breaks compatability with the daz deals addon I will definitely raise some rabble. So even though this issue doesn't effect me personally I can definitely empathize with the frustration

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,033
    j cade said:
    Sevrin said:
    MelanieL said:
    j cade said:
    barbult said:
    I appreciate that progress has been made in restoring features we asked for.

    Agreed. I'm genuinely surprised, but pleasantly so. And just in time, because I have some returns to do, lol. Why do G8M expressions always look so scary?

    Hopefully they're here to stay. Getting the rest would be nice, we've all got items whose product pages are long gone, but the order info and SKUs are absolutely essential and I'm glad DAZ brought those back first.

     

    What is the benefit of the product page vs the readme?

    In my case, for many of the older products which are no longer in the store the ReadMe's don't exist. (My Sunflowers example above is a case in point)

    Not only for old products.  Lots of new products are missing readmes, too.

    That makes sense. I don't think I have that many, mainly because I rarely buy something without going to the readme and reading the file list - If daz ever breaks compatability with the daz deals addon I will definitely raise some rabble. So even though this issue doesn't effect me personally I can definitely empathize with the frustration

    From what I can tell, they frequently break compatibility (though in smaller ways), and @Overdrawn & @Ati scramble to get things back in order.

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