Store Redesign - Is this the new Daz store software?

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,533

    putting stuff in "quotes" improves the forum search considerably enlightened

  • SempieSempie Posts: 658

    I think it's mostly OK. Would just perfer to see monochrome backgrounds, as the ilustrated ones make the layout fuzzy and chaotic, and uneasy to the eye.

     

  • Just an FYI if you're using the Opera browser:

    Upgrade to version 71.0.3770.198 if you only see the first row of items on each page (followed by grey bars).

    Cleans up the issue.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172
    edited October 2020

    I completely hate it. The color in the background, the individual ads are too close together (fine side to side, but not enough top to bottom) and the sideways images are HORRIBLE. WAY too busy. It's too much.
    I. HATE. IT.

    Laurie

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  • I see it too.

    I'm not 100% convinced by it. It feels a little as if all the individual items bleed into each other. I think I'd want something subtle to impose a bit more separation between products: more whitespace, or a faint divider line.

    The Wishlist marker is also rather small, so wishlisted items don't really stand out.

    I guess I'll get used to it, but it doesn't instantly feel like much of an improvement.

     

    Good point. Still, there are more flaws. Why does the "Sale" banner not just state the amount (i.e. "40% off"). We realize a sale when we see it ;)

    sandrayln said:

    Could we get different icon colors for "Add to cart" and "Purchased", please?  They're both small green squares with white icons in the square, which makes them spectacularly hard to tell apart at a glance.

     

  • The vertical spacing between "new" and "sale" is too large.

    I also think that the items are now less separated, which is a really bad thing for the user. UI design did not really improve. Just like coming from Windows 7 to windows 8 (vomit) ...

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,468

    For me it just got worse - here's the horrible mess I'm seeing on Internet Explorer today (yesterday it was bright and white but still fairly compact)

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    MelanieL said:

    For me it just got worse - here's the horrible mess I'm seeing on Internet Explorer today (yesterday it was bright and white but still fairly compact)

    IE is no longer receiving upgrades and should not be used.  Use MS Edge if you want to continue to use a Microsoft browser.

  • Novica said:

    @sevrin   Thanks for showing that. It makes it clear to me it was SO much better "as it was."   And to the person mentioning a forum overhaul-  DON'T TOUCH THAT DAZ!!!!!  Other than the repetitive signin being fixed, that is. I certainly don't want Daz to screw the forums up too!!!!! (Shudder.) 

    well.. i am one of those who find a forum overhaul would be great because this is one of the most bothersome forum interfaces/software i have ever seen.. the search function? absolutely ridiculous - type any word and you will get full comments with pictures and you can scroll thru 100 pages until you find, maybe, what you're looking for. and there are other issues and annoying UI features i'm not going to list here...

    BUT, yup, i actually prefer this crappy forum that i know rather than anything new - because it WILL be screwed up too... me too *shudder*

    Please be carefull what you ask for. The last time they completely switched the forum the threads were not migrated into the new system and and got lost forever (as far as I know). All the usefull information that got lost. I do agree on the search function. It is really terrible.

    @mcorr Well, grammer is a dangerous thing. It depends on the meaning. In German it would actually also be "kleine fotomann". The base form of the word is 'klein' meaning small. Adjectives like 'kleine' or 'kleiner' say something about the word following it. 'kleine' means "fotoman(n) is small" but 'kleiner' means "fotoman(n) is smaller than" (it is a comparitive). So yes, for German "kleiner fotomann" could indeed be correct, but it is not the same meaning. I applaud you though for recognizing a Germanic language in my username. And I am terribly sorry for having to say this, but your deduction is wrong. Without the double 'n' you should have deduced that it is Dutch or Flemish which are spoken in the Netherlands, Belgium and the north western of France.

    Ugh... I spent to much time on this. crying

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293
    edited October 2020

    Reading some of the complaints & not really liking 3 separate lines in information at the bottom of the promo art icon I think the title of the product belongs in bold over the top of the promo art icon, the sales percentage as said, both on the left under the promo art icon: a deep red block with white text, the price, a deep green block with white text, both on the right under the promo art icon: the wishlist and add to cart icons to the right under the promo art icon, and finally those little information icons should be superimposed over and across the bottom 1/8 of the promo art icon in a white bar wide enough to display icons. Can html CSS do that sort of layout? Will it work on smart phones, tablets, and whatever? I don't know.

    I like bigger promo art icons and more white space though.

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  • AtiAti Posts: 9,139

    I like bigger promo art icons and more white space though.

    The "be careful what you wish for" expression has been used above already. I'm seeing nothing but white space after the first row of items, and I can tell you: it's not exactly useful. :D

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,139
    edited October 2020

    Okay, I checked the source. It's the last (empty) cat-icon li line for each item (at least in the first row that's visible) that's causing the issues. It's 33554400 pixels high.

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  • NathNath Posts: 2,848
    mcorr said:

    @ kleinefotoman

    BTW .... the correct German is "kleinerfotomann" ... not sure that will inspire you to alter your screenname, but that`s what it is =)

     

    While in Dutch "kleinefotoman" is correct...

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,139
    Ati said:

    Okay, I checked the source. It's the last (empty) cat-icon li line for each item (at least in the first row that's visible) that's causing the issues. It's 33554400 pixels high.

    Removing the "gap:.25rem" style makes all the items visible again, even if terribly ugly.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    Novica said:

    @sevrin   Thanks for showing that. It makes it clear to me it was SO much better "as it was."   And to the person mentioning a forum overhaul-  DON'T TOUCH THAT DAZ!!!!!  Other than the repetitive signin being fixed, that is. I certainly don't want Daz to screw the forums up too!!!!! (Shudder.) 

    well.. i am one of those who find a forum overhaul would be great because this is one of the most bothersome forum interfaces/software i have ever seen.. the search function? absolutely ridiculous - type any word and you will get full comments with pictures and you can scroll thru 100 pages until you find, maybe, what you're looking for. and there are other issues and annoying UI features i'm not going to list here...

    BUT, yup, i actually prefer this crappy forum that i know rather than anything new - because it WILL be screwed up too... me too *shudder*

    Please be carefull what you ask for. The last time they completely switched the forum the threads were not migrated into the new system and and got lost forever (as far as I know). All the usefull information that got lost. I do agree on the search function. It is really terrible.

    @mcorr Well, grammer is a dangerous thing. It depends on the meaning. In German it would actually also be "kleine fotomann". The base form of the word is 'klein' meaning small. Adjectives like 'kleine' or 'kleiner' say something about the word following it. 'kleine' means "fotoman(n) is small" but 'kleiner' means "fotoman(n) is smaller than" (it is a comparitive). So yes, for German "kleiner fotomann" could indeed be correct, but it is not the same meaning. I applaud you though for recognizing a Germanic language in my username. And I am terribly sorry for having to say this, but your deduction is wrong. Without the double 'n' you should have deduced that it is Dutch or Flemish which are spoken in the Netherlands, Belgium and the north western of France.

    Ugh... I spent to much time on this. crying

    In German, "kleine" followed by a noun would indicate feminine gender, while "kleiner" would imply masculine gender, not relative size.

    None of that means that the store looks any better than it did.  There are actions which could have improved the functionality of the store.  Maybe those will come with the new store software, but Daz hasn't been inspiring confidence with their interface choices lately.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,533

    I was actually wondering if Mccor was Dutch when I saw the comment on their username cheeky a German friend of mine was always getting flustered over Dutch German

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    Novica said:

    @sevrin   Thanks for showing that. It makes it clear to me it was SO much better "as it was."   And to the person mentioning a forum overhaul-  DON'T TOUCH THAT DAZ!!!!!  Other than the repetitive signin being fixed, that is. I certainly don't want Daz to screw the forums up too!!!!! (Shudder.) 

    well.. i am one of those who find a forum overhaul would be great because this is one of the most bothersome forum interfaces/software i have ever seen.. the search function? absolutely ridiculous - type any word and you will get full comments with pictures and you can scroll thru 100 pages until you find, maybe, what you're looking for. and there are other issues and annoying UI features i'm not going to list here...

    BUT, yup, i actually prefer this crappy forum that i know rather than anything new - because it WILL be screwed up too... me too *shudder*

    Please be carefull what you ask for. The last time they completely switched the forum the threads were not migrated into the new system and and got lost forever (as far as I know). All the usefull information that got lost. I do agree on the search function. It is really terrible.

    i know. that's why i MENTION this would be very needed but paradoxally, i'm NOT ASKING for it. gawd beware! because unlike the product page (screwed up but easy to fix) or the store (screwed up but maybe they'll get something acceptable in a few months/years), screwing up the forum might be irreparable...

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited October 2020

    There is something wrong with the bundles

    https://www.daz3d.com/twosret-8-pharaoh-living-bundle

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  • I am wondering why DAZ introduces those icons at all?!.
    In my opinion, they are totally useless. Icons just state the obvious while cluttering the UI.
    Anyone with the slightest knowledge of DAZ will recognize what the asset is about without all those icons anyway.
    However, if they would use them for filtering, it would be okay to introduce them, but for sure, not under the promo cover of the asset next to the shopping icons.

    But obviously, all this icon tagging will take time.
    And since it's not as if the quality control isn't bad enough already — with all those wrong references inside the structure (categories in singular instead of plural (environment/environments, animal/animals, prop/props, etc.), assets that have first the name of the PA instead of the category (if at all), not to mention the mess how shaders are categorized, or other senseless or outright wrong structures and obvious typos) —, I expect there will be a lot of erroneous icons soon on the store.

    Therefore my say is, skip those icons and that useless tagging in favor of having more time for better quality control of the file structure some PAs offer.
    In my experience, the asset structure from the competitors with the beginning R is, in general, much more consistent. — Sorry to say that.

    However, PAs, your assets are still outstanding; it is just annoying if the structure is not as it should be, and therefore messes up the library.

    In my humble opinion, the staff at DAZ should care more to fix all those erroneous structures of already published assets and keep an eye open for the future that upcoming assets keep to rules.

  • Xen2kXen2k Posts: 79
    edited October 2020

    Like many other posters here I cannot quite understand why a well-designed and functional website has been replaced by this new design. New does not automatically equal better.

    It might sound a bit exagerated but browsing the store has become somewhat tedious now. Price information was visually much more appealing in the previous design.

     

    The worst part for me is the current promo page. The background remains fixed while scrolling. This can be a nice effect - but this background is too "restless". I really have to concentrate to not look at it when scrolling because it irritates my visual perception.

    I seriously hope there will be extensive adjustments...

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  • Kaleb242Kaleb242 Posts: 344

    I'm sorry, but this redesign is awful... I was hoping it was just a temporary late night A/B test that I stumbled on that would just fix itself and go away eventually.

    Reducing product titles to a single line with an ellipsis "..." and making us hover over thumbnails to get the entire product title in 2-3 lines with inconsistent padding that causes the entire layout to shift around is a really bad user experience. Nothing is gained by this "... feature". The shifting layout is extremely distracting, almost seizure inducing... entire rows of thumbnails are wiggling up and down all over the place, making the web browser reflow everything.
    Hiding the full product title doesn't help anything at all. Even short product titles cause the layout to wiggle around on hover as padding becomes inconsistent, and the add to cart icon even breaks out of the frame on promo pages.

    An entire row dedicated to tiny category icons that are unnecessary, useless, and more confusing than helpful in some cases, when it's far more obvious to know what category the product is by seeing its full product name unshortened by an ellipsis, and a full thumbnail unobscurred by redundant NEW and SALE thumbnails. There are already better ways to browse by category if somone really needs to see just those things.

    What you really need is a way to filter by category — not a row of tiny category icons. I'd rather be able to exclude "poses" or "props" — or see only "lights" and "figures" using CATEGORY FILTER checkboxes.

    Really bad "soft launch", amateurish even — I'm on the verge of writing my own client-side CSS to overwrite this mess and make the site more usable again, or just stop shopping here entirely until it gets fixed next year.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,550

    lol so many tempests in a latte cup on these forums

     

  • XpiderManXpiderMan Posts: 426
    edited October 2020

    I like the idea of using icons, but some are not easy to know what they are unless you place your mouse over it, but this does not work if using a smartphone. Also, maybe the price should be the last line. I don't think there was anything wrong with the way the store used to look before, so if maybe do a little mix of both could work.

    Here's a mock I did, just for fun. I moved the "New" text to the left, since some vendors have their titles left aligned. I removed "Sale" since the discount in red already insinuate that and leaves more space to view the vendor's image and title. I described the item as it would be in the Daz Smart Content library and kept the icons as well. Having both the text and icons might be repetitive, but it's just a general idea. :)

     

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    XpiderMan said:

    I like the idea of using icons, but some are not easy to know what they are unless you place your mouse over it, but this does not work if using a smartphone. Also, maybe the price should be the last line. I don't think there was anytning wrong with the way the store used to look before, so if maybe do a little mix of both could work. Here's a mock I did, just for fun. Having the text and icons might be repetitive, but it's just a general idea. :)

     

    Looks better, but duplicating G8M isn't helpful.  I wouldn't mind the icons if you could click one and filter for just that thing, but you can't.  If someone needs an icon to figure out that "Monster Slayer Hair" is hair, they may expect to receive actual hair at their mailing address, and are setting themselves up for disappointment.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436
    edited October 2020

    By all means offer your feedback on the redesign and suggestions for improvement, but please do so in a civil and constructive manner. Aside from anything else, tearing into the designers is a good way to get your feedback dismissed.

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  • if you open up a bundle, then the items contained do not really show any text, as this is written inside the icon. I attribute that to the new shop design being "work in progress". But some design decisions are not really state of the art. All web designers I personally know would do come up with a different, more intuitive design. But I may just know the wrong people.

     

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  • SilvereSilvere Posts: 46

    By all means offer your feedback on the redesign and suggestions for improvement, but please do so in a civil and constructive manner. Aside from anything else, tearing into the designers is a good way to get your feedback dismissed.

    It's fair to delete our feedback for being harsh and I for my part reacted too emotionally, but I'm desperately hoping you are not actually dismissing the feedback. Because that, honestly, is quite backwards on how to deal with the problem at hand.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    MelanieL said:

    For me it just got worse - here's the horrible mess I'm seeing on Internet Explorer today (yesterday it was bright and white but still fairly compact)

    Which IE version?  Everything is looking fine here in IE11, both in Win 8 and Win 10. 

  • Leo LeeLeo Lee Posts: 187

    It makes my eyes scream in pain

    Yeah, I'll wait for the next. Till there, I'll use sunglasses.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    Nath said:

    Oh, the plugin symbol is a plug... I had been wondering why a pair of underpants stood for 'plugin'

    No, the underpants are the icon for "Models". Whatever that actually is.

    Which illustrates the entire problem with this redesign pretty well, I think.  

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