Genesis 8.1 / Victoria 8.1

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  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214

    Matt_Castle said:

    Kharma said:

    thank you, I was confused because I clearly saw the PBRSkin Shader in my Iray shaders,  but now the issue is when I apply that skin shader to G8.1 and then apply a texture from a G8 figure it seems to wipeout the skin shader.  How do I get both that shader and a G8 texture on G8.1 ? 

    As far as how I've been doing it, copy and pasting parameters only affects parameter settings (and only those with matching names), not the underlying shader. As the PBRSkin shader shares a lot of its parameters with Iray Uber, you can mostly copy and paste from Iray Uber over to PBRSkin.

    Note that PBRSkin has a lot of its functions disabled initially (things like Dual Lobe Specular, Translucency, SSS, Transmission, Top Coat, etc), so you'll need to find and turn on these settings, and obviously Iray Uber settings may not exactly be perfect for PBRSkin.

    The other niggles are that PBRSkin does not support the standard gloss options Uber offers (you may need to manually copy specular maps into the Dual Lobe Specular options), and that for some reason, some of the colour parameters use integer RGB values, rather than the decimal values that Iray has otherwise normally used, so these won't paste directly and will need to be copied manually.

    (I won't be surprised if one of the early products is an automated copy of Iray Uber parameters to PBRSkin...)

    Thank you so much for the explanation , I did discover that alot of options were turned off so I turned them on and played with some sliders but didn't copy paste any settings as I didn't know which ones to do.  Here is my new render from just playing with the sliders.  Better or at least different?

     

     

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,041

    I was happy to find a lot of hair stuff from G8F works fine (Benita Vellus, Lush arm hair, and some abdominal vellus hair). Benita shape and maps.

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  • duckbombduckbomb Posts: 585

    So... do you find it "worth it"?  Seems like an update, to be sure, so I understand the x.1 name, but is this worth jumping in on for you or not?

    Honestly, I'm on the fence.  DAZ history has taught me that waiting could be the best option here, but I dunno.  She's pretty. Lol

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,432

    Now they're charging for incremental, slight upgrades? Nah, I'm good with Genesis 1 and 2.

  • charlescharles Posts: 849
    edited January 2021

    So to answer my question. Had to apply new Geoshell to g81, set all elements to uber, and copy and paste surfaces from g8 shell to g81 shell and use the torso for head and set it's uv to base female.

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  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416
    edited January 2021

    duckbomb said:

    So... do you find it "worth it"?  Seems like an update, to be sure, so I understand the x.1 name, but is this worth jumping in on for you or not?

    Honestly, I'm on the fence.  DAZ history has taught me that waiting could be the best option here, but I dunno.  She's pretty. Lol

    It may not be for everyone - no biggie. Buy it, or don't buy it. I like her and am excited to see what comes of these updates. For my part, I really, Really, REALLY like everything about the eyes much better. Heck, I even like the new tear/water moisture effect - something I have always derided and rolled my own eyes over.

    People who aren't sure should maybe just sit on the sidelines and see how things develop. You can alway jump in later, or not at all, but deciding on Day 1 is a little premature. We all know she will go on better and better sales eventually. I was eager to check out all the new bits and bobs on Day 1 and I am glad I did!

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,775

    Gogger said:

    Initial tests of Victoria 8.1 - I like her!

    That's really nice. 

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited January 2021

    I think whatever 'problems' or annoyances about skin and shaders will be worked out soon enough by some of our master coders/scripters.

    Meantime I absolutely LOVE her new expression abilities so I'm grabbing her.

    But I'm a nutty optimist still buying stuff even tho I haven't had a working PC for nine months and counting. But I plan on getting one DAZ soon if I can figure out what to get and from where to get it.

     

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited January 2021

    She looks pretty good to me. Like Victoria's younger kid sister. Definitely different figure shape, and love the face and texture.

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  • Daventaki said:

    Philippi_Child said:

    Maybe I'm not understanding something but none of the G8F figures I've tried to use on the new 8.1 figure work. So maybe I something I'm not doing right.

     

    Can you explain what your steps are? Maybe we can help you out.  So far all the ones ive tried either via dial or preset have worked.

    well, I will load up the 8.1 figure as I would 8.0. Then select a figure like Bluejaunte's Lyra. And I would apply the head and body of Lyra presets by by double clicking the icons in my content pane for Lyra.
    After I've done this there is no change in 8.1 appearance or any sliders of any kind in panes on the right shaping, posing, etc. 

    I don't problem with 8.0

     

     

  • charlescharles Posts: 849

    Philippi_Child said:

    Daventaki said:

    Philippi_Child said:

    Maybe I'm not understanding something but none of the G8F figures I've tried to use on the new 8.1 figure work. So maybe I something I'm not doing right.

     

    Can you explain what your steps are? Maybe we can help you out.  So far all the ones ive tried either via dial or preset have worked.

    well, I will load up the 8.1 figure as I would 8.0. Then select a figure like Bluejaunte's Lyra. And I would apply the head and body of Lyra presets by by double clicking the icons in my content pane for Lyra.
    After I've done this there is no change in 8.1 appearance or any sliders of any kind in panes on the right shaping, posing, etc. 

    I don't problem with 8.0

     

     

    I might have missed that, could you eplain it one more time? :b 

  • charlescharles Posts: 849

    Serene Night said:

    She looks pretty good to me. Like Victoria's younger kid sister. Definitely different figure shape, and love the face and texture.

    Great photo! Obviously she shaves where it counts. 

  • PetraPetra Posts: 1,156
    edited January 2021

    Played with the PBR Skin shader and love it.

    I used Genesis Female 8.1 and used a skin texture, I think Amira with makeup and all the rest of it.

    Then applied the PBR Skin shader and Victoria 8.1 eyes.

    I LOVE it, it makes the skin look so much better.

    Some options in the surface tab needed to be switched on and I changed the base colour and the translucency colour.

    Having so much fun.:)

     

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  • If it hasn't been mentioned already, the promos in Z's ASL Alphabet and V8.1 Bundle include an off-shoulder & bra clothing item that appears to be not yet released:

     

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,033
    edited January 2021

    Small problem: A lot of keyed ERC controled morphs stopped working with Genesis 8_1. Those keyed sub components are still listed in the property hirachy list, but they don' t do anything anymore.
    Is there a way for a quick fix?

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  • KentKent Posts: 114

    Hi all

    I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

    Thank you!

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  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,564

    kent Kent said:

    Hi all

    I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

    Thank you!

    I don't have V8.1 but I assume the vellus hairs would be a conforming prop in the anatomy folder with the eyelashes etc.

  • KentKent Posts: 114

    fred9803 said:

    kent Kent said:

    Hi all

    I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

    Thank you!

    I don't have V8.1 but I assume the vellus hairs would be a conforming prop in the anatomy folder with the eyelashes etc.

    Hi Fred

    Thank you for taking the time to look at my question (and answer me)  :)

    Victoria 8.1 comes with these only, as far as I can figure out:

     

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  • MadaMada Posts: 2,016

    deepred6502 said:

    If it hasn't been mentioned already, the promos in Z's ASL Alphabet and V8.1 Bundle include an off-shoulder & bra clothing item that appears to be not yet released:

     

     

    Its out now :)
    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-phenom-lingerie-for-genesis-8-females

     

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,901

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

  • kent Kent said:

    fred9803 said:

    kent Kent said:

    Hi all

    I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

    Thank you!

    I don't have V8.1 but I assume the vellus hairs would be a conforming prop in the anatomy folder with the eyelashes etc.

    Hi Fred

    Thank you for taking the time to look at my question (and answer me)  :)

    Victoria 8.1 comes with these only, as far as I can figure out:

     

    Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

  • charlescharles Posts: 849
    edited January 2021

    vwrangler said:

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

    do you have any of these poses when using "mouth open"? 

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  • vwrangler said:

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

    You will be looking under Cheeks and Jaw, there's Jaw Open slider that helps with opening the mouth. I'm not too thrilled about lack of the familiar dials (simple smile included, and lips movements), but I guess we'd be getting used to using the facs gizmo and facial bones sooner than later. 

  • SotoSoto Posts: 1,440
    edited January 2021

    vwrangler said:

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

    It's Jaw Open now. 

    Pose Controls/Head/Cheek and Jaw

     

    EDIT: Answered already XD

     

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  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,460

    I don't have any renders to hand yet, but I really like Victoria 8.1...

    ...While she might at first appear a bit less glamorous than Victoria 8, she has a more typical everyday body shape that will lend itself much better to blending with other shape morphs for custom characters - it's always easier to add to small breasts than it is to reduce large breasts with the morphs we have - much less of an arch in her lower back, but a pinch in at the waist and she can be glammed-up in a thrice.

     

    There might be a couple of things I would prefer to be different, but to get that sort of detail, I'd really need to improve my own sculpting skills and get stuck in myself - V8.1 is a step in the more versatile direction, which I see as a good thing.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,564

     

     

    Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

    I only have G8.1 and I assumed Victoria 8.1 would come with the vellus hair, but it seems only the University Bundle has the gens and the hair like the old pro bundles.

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,901
    edited January 2021

    charles said:

    vwrangler said:

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

    do you have any of these poses when using "mouth open"? 

    No, because I don't have any of those packages for 8.0, so they couldn't migrate over. The original "Mouth Open" slider was part of the Genesis 8 Head Morphs when 8.0 came out, and doesn't seem to have made the crossing.

    However, I think I've found what happened. There's now a slider called "Jaw Open" that didn't exist for 8.0. According to the parameters inside the slider, it's now part of the FACS stuff that they've added. I have a horrible feeling a certain amount of stuff got renamed and added to the FACS items, and that will make them harder to find.

    The weird thing is that "Mouth Close" still exists. Why you would get rid of one and not the other, or not just keep them both, I don't understand.

    EDIT: And answered twice upstream by Valzheimer and Hellboy already! Man, this thread moves fast!

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  • KentKent Posts: 114

    kent Kent said:

    fred9803 said:

    kent Kent said:

    Hi all

    I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

    Thank you!

    I don't have V8.1 but I assume the vellus hairs would be a conforming prop in the anatomy folder with the eyelashes etc.

    Hi Fred

    Thank you for taking the time to look at my question (and answer me)  :)

    Victoria 8.1 comes with these only, as far as I can figure out:

     

     

     

    Ok, so I just found a discussion between thoreandan and Luciel and took a screenshot for others to see.  I also add a screenshot of my Dev kit content folder.  I'm not seeing that.

     

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  • charlescharles Posts: 849

    valzheimer said:

    vwrangler said:

    So, this is weird.

    As far as I can tell, very technically, Genesis 8.1 Female cannot open her mouth.

    Along with the visemes, the old Mouth Open sliders have disappeared. The 8.0 versions of them aren't accessible if you're using 8.1.

    There are a bunch of new/renamed sliders, some of which do the same as the old, and some don't. The closest to "Mouth Open" seems to be "Mouth Funnel", but it doesn't do the same thing.

    I wonder if that was an oversight, or if some sort of update is planned to remedy these issues.

    You will be looking under Cheeks and Jaw, there's Jaw Open slider that helps with opening the mouth. I'm not too thrilled about lack of the familiar dials (simple smile included, and lips movements), but I guess we'd be getting used to using the facs gizmo and facial bones sooner than later. 

    Good find, I like the jaw recess, much more natural than the jaw in-out.

  • Cora ReginaCora Regina Posts: 731
    edited January 2021

    fred9803 said:

     

     

    Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

    I only have G8.1 and I assumed Victoria 8.1 would come with the vellus hair, but it seems only the University Bundle has the gens and the hair like the old pro bundles.

    Yep, the vellus hair is paywalled inside the $$$$$ bundles (it's included in both yesterday's and today's). I also thought that ugh, fine, it should at least come with Victoria 8.1, then. But nope, you've gotta pay the big, big bucks to get what they're still advertising as a general upgrade for the base Genesis 8.1 figures.

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