Genesis 8.1 / Victoria 8.1

charles

Cora Regina said:

fred9803 said:

 

 

Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

I only have G8.1 and I assumed Victoria 8.1 would come with the vellus hair, but it seems only the University Bundle has the gens and the hair like the old pro bundles.

Yep, the vellus hair is paywalled inside the $$$$$ bundles (it's included in both yesterday's and today's). I also thought that ugh, fine, it should at least come with Victoria 8.1, then. But nope, you've gotta pay the big, big bucks to get what they're still advertising as a general upgrade for the base Genesis 8.1 figures.

PerttiA

Jabba said:

I don't have any renders to hand yet, but I really like Victoria 8.1...

...While she might at first appear a bit less glamorous than Victoria 8, she has a more typical everyday body shape that will lend itself much better to blending with other shape morphs for custom characters - it's always easier to add to small breasts than it is to reduce large breasts with the morphs we have - much less of an arch in her lower back, but a pinch in at the waist and she can be glammed-up in a thrice.

 

There might be a couple of things I would prefer to be different, but to get that sort of detail, I'd really need to improve my own sculpting skills and get stuck in myself - V8.1 is a step in the more versatile direction, which I see as a good thing.

I think she is also the first Victoria that's not 6 feet tall, which brings her closer to reality.

charles

deepred6502 said:

If it hasn't been mentioned already, the promos in Z's ASL Alphabet and V8.1 Bundle include an off-shoulder & bra clothing item that appears to be not yet released:

 

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-phenom-lingerie-textures 

Gogger

kent Kent said:

Hi all

I've played with the new Victoria 8.1 and did a test render which I'm attaching here.  I cannot figure out how to 'activate' the face and body hairs (vellus hairs).  Could someone please advise me on that?  

Thank you!

Cross Posted since it is being asked everywhere: I bought the bundle, but couldn't find the vellus hair until just now - under :
Genesis 8 Female
Anatomy
Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

 

I'm working up a render now.

 

takezo_3001

Kharma said:

G8.1 with Keyana morph and mats. I tried to use the PBRSkin shader on the lighter skin and the darker skin is Keyanna mat only.  I am not sure what this new shader is supposed to be doing other than making the original texture lighter.   

I believe that you have to tweak the shader to work with the character, the default setting is just a base that is not meant to be used out-of-the-box like most other character shader packs that are meant to be ready-made.

fred9803

Gogger said:

Cross Posted since it is being asked everywhere: I bought the bundle, but couldn't find the vellus hair until just now - under :
Genesis 8 Female
Anatomy
Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

LOL just where I said it would be even though I don't have it.... the most logical place. Could have been under Hair though.

Wicked Whomp

charles said:

Cora Regina said:

fred9803 said:

 

 

Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

I only have G8.1 and I assumed Victoria 8.1 would come with the vellus hair, but it seems only the University Bundle has the gens and the hair like the old pro bundles.

Yep, the vellus hair is paywalled inside the $$$$$ bundles (it's included in both yesterday's and today's). I also thought that ugh, fine, it should at least come with Victoria 8.1, then. But nope, you've gotta pay the big, big bucks to get what they're still advertising as a general upgrade for the base Genesis 8.1 figures.

Vellus hair is mentioned on the dedicated page to Genesis 8.1 under "Other Improvements Summary" with no mention nor any other indication that it is a premium feature. Doesn't take a detective to find, look for yourself. Their, along with everyone elses confusion is justified.

charles

Wicked Whomp said:

charles said:

Cora Regina said:

fred9803 said:

 

 

Did you buy one of the bundles, or just V8.1?

I only have G8.1 and I assumed Victoria 8.1 would come with the vellus hair, but it seems only the University Bundle has the gens and the hair like the old pro bundles.

Yep, the vellus hair is paywalled inside the $$$$$ bundles (it's included in both yesterday's and today's). I also thought that ugh, fine, it should at least come with Victoria 8.1, then. But nope, you've gotta pay the big, big bucks to get what they're still advertising as a general upgrade for the base Genesis 8.1 figures.

Vellus hair is mentioned on the dedicated page to Genesis 8.1 under "Other Improvements Summary" with no mention nor any other indication that it is a premium feature. Doesn't take a detective to find, look for yourself. Their, along with everyone elses confusion is justified.

I completely agree with you, I noticed it their as well. Someone decided it was going to make a good bullet point on the sales page while hiding it in the bundles. Notice it's the very last item in the bundles.

fred9803

 

I completely agree with you, I noticed it their as well. Someone decided it was going to make a good bullet point on the sales page while hiding it in the bundles. Notice it's the very last item in the bundles.

The bullet points would be OK if there was a "included in pro bundles" in parentheses at the end of the points for the anatomical elements and body hair. Overlooked of misleading depends on your view.

Mr Bowen

The hair not being included is a disappoinment, but I have other such hair products from here. It looks nicely done, though.

Here are 2 test renders of Victoria 8.1 sans extra hairs. She looks like different characters in some of the product page images. In some images, including my renders here, she reminds me of Judy from Cyberpunk 2077.

 

The Inner Circle

Just a couple of Vicky 8.1 renders using the HD - first with the Vellus hair - second without 

 

I think they did a great job - teething troubles aside. It is funny how the Vellus hair once installed shows as SKU 80029 yet if you search on that it comes back as not found.

I guess it will become a stand alone product for sale once they have gotten the milage out of the bundles.

David

Sevrin

The Inner Circle said:

I think they did a great job - teething troubles aside. It is funny how the Vellus hair once installed shows as SKU 80029 yet if you search on that it comes back as not found.

I guess it will become a stand alone product for sale once they have gotten the milage out of the bundles.

The Genesis Anatomical Elements have a SKU, as well, and are only included in pro bundles.

Richard Haseltine

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

MimicMolly

Richard Haseltine said:

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

Good. I don't really like this new Victoria. (Something about her head shape. I think it's her mouth, not sure.) But I might pick up another 8.1 Base Character in the future. :)

Luciel

Richard Haseltine said:

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

Are they going to remove it as an advertised feature from the Genesis 8.1 page then? 

It still states "Fine, short, vellus hairs have been added for the female face and body, bringing added realism for close-up shots". So surely that should be removed entirely if the product doesn't actually include it?

 

It's not a feature of Genesis 8.1 if it's a paid addon, especially as Genesis 3 and 8 also have vellus hair addons (probably even 2, 1 or V4..). It's like stating "Genesis 8.1 has wings and horns, a car, hovership and 296 apartments".. 

Nath

Richard Haseltine said:

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

That is good. Glad to hear it. Hopefully, that also means that, under "Other Improvements Summary" the text

• Fine, short, vellus hairs have been added for the female face and body, bringing added realism for close-up shots. For example, fine, short, and natural hairs can be seen on the arms and face.

will be removed from the Genesis 8.1 - page (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-1). Because that would still suggests to unwary shoppers that the vellus hair is part of Genesis 8.1, rather than Victoria 8.1

Richard Haseltine

While I understand the comments about the feature listing, that also refers to being able to use the mlae anatomical elements on the female (and vice versa, I think) without mentioning that you need a pro bundle for those.

evilded777

So, they've somewhat sorted the Vellus Hair thing, can someone tell me what I have got to buy to get the tutorial on the skin shader?

Please tell me it comes with V8.1 and not the bundle.

Luciel

PerttiA said:

Jabba said:

I don't have any renders to hand yet, but I really like Victoria 8.1...

...While she might at first appear a bit less glamorous than Victoria 8, she has a more typical everyday body shape that will lend itself much better to blending with other shape morphs for custom characters - it's always easier to add to small breasts than it is to reduce large breasts with the morphs we have - much less of an arch in her lower back, but a pinch in at the waist and she can be glammed-up in a thrice.

 

There might be a couple of things I would prefer to be different, but to get that sort of detail, I'd really need to improve my own sculpting skills and get stuck in myself - V8.1 is a step in the more versatile direction, which I see as a good thing.

I think she is also the first Victoria that's not 6 feet tall, which brings her closer to reality.

As some who's over "6 feet" tall, and has several female friends who are taller than me, how is being taller than whatever your local average not "reality". 

Richard Haseltine

Philippi_Child said:

Maybe I'm not understanding something but none of the G8F figures I've tried to use on the new 8.1 figure work. So maybe I something I'm not doing right.

 

Allegra said:

Are we supposed to be able to use G8 morphs on G8.1 because I have nothing, can load textures but can't apply morphs and no unique morphs show for G8.1 except the eyes?

jim_doria said:

There's a lot in this thread, and I've read a large amount but not all, so maybe I missed something. 

I put the two characters side by side and dialed in the same expression. Can definitely see the difference and I do like the mouth and eyes of 8.1 better. So yay?

But as for 8.1 being compatible with 8.0 morphs - I see no full body morphs on 8.1 at all. All my converted G3 FBMs are missing. All my G8 purchased characters are missing. Applying characters from my library does nothing. Is something broken or am I skipping a step somewhere?

Which versions of DS are you on? The pick up of morphs, and application of characters etc., does require 4.15.x.x

 

Richard Haseltine

Frinkky said:

gitika1 said:

Hylas said:

Catherine3678ab said:

 

I loaded G8.1 on D/S4.12. I copied "some" morphs AND "autofit clones" from G8F's data folder to G8.1F's data folder ... and so far, seems to be working. I'm sure there'll be quirks along the ways but that's par for the course.

I wonder why it was necessary for you to copy anything from/to any data folders?

I just loaded G8.1F and had all my G8F morphs and clones available right away.

Thanks Catherine3678ab, Hylas, and Faeryl Womyn - I am using 4.12 as well; the questions and answers provided by the 3 of you were very helpful!

I'm still on 4.12 too - I've had to copy my G8 morphs over to G8.1 data folder too but I assumed that's because I've manually installed most items plus a lot is my own custom stuff without metadata. It is possible that 4.15 has extra functionality to merge morph directories for G8 and G8.1 though.

The only issue I've seen is that the new PBR skin shader doesn't work at all in 4.12 which is a bit of a head scratcher - it should all just be nodes linked in the MDL. Unless it's utilising iray features not included in 4.12's bundled iray version but there's nothing really groundbreaking there - it just adds another normal/bump map and exposes tiling options (already available through the inbuilt Image Editor) and specular occlusion is just another image layer to control spec strength via an image map globally. Finally, there's some logic added to the translucency and SSS settings but all that should have changed there would be how the various nodes are linked. Still, I'd expect the default layers to work which makes me think it's been deliberately coded to not work on anything <4.15 for... reasons.

The new shader requires features not prsent in older versions of DS (I think you cana ctually see its addition in the change log, there was speculation about it but of course we didn't have the user-facing files to take advantage until this week). The automatic tie to Genesis 8 female stuff, especially morphs, also depends on newer features. Unless you can dissect the code I don't think you can be confident that the same could have been achieved in older versions of DS.

Richard Haseltine

vrba79 said:

Now they're charging for incremental, slight upgrades? Nah, I'm good with Genesis 1 and 2.

The updates to Genesis 8.1 are free, additional content (such as Victoria 8.1 and the Velus hair) is new content, not tweaked old content.

Richard Haseltine

evilded777 said:

So, they've somewhat sorted the Vellus Hair thing, can someone tell me what I have got to buy to get the tutorial on the skin shader?

Please tell me it comes with V8.1 and not the bundle.

Tutorial? The shader itself is in the default resoruces that come with DS - you should have an update for that.

Luciel

Richard Haseltine said:

While I understand the comments about the feature listing, that also refers to being able to use the mlae anatomical elements on the female (and vice versa, I think) without mentioning that you need a pro bundle for those.

Thats a different statement. If you read what the page states..

"Male anatomical elements will now work on females. Conversely, female anatomical elements will work on males."

All that statement says is that anatomy will work on the different bases, not that the anatomy is added, or included, only that you can use it.

On the other hand

"Fine, short, vellus hairs have been added for the female face and body"

"Body hair has been added for the male face and body"

Suggests there has been something added.

 

When you buy a food item with "added" sugar, you likely expect some sugar. When something says "product now combines with sugar" you don't.

 

pickett_chuck_d8cad7ed95

I know I should read this whole thread first, but am going to try and ask this question anyway. Just purchased the University Bundle and have updated the essentials, both auto and manually (it first asked me to and then just to make sure because my content is on another drive). I click on Victoria 8.1 and it comes up and looks textured in texture view but when I use Iray view it looks completely white like there's a geo shell. I can add the genesis female 8.1 textures, but shouldn't the Victoria 8.1 come up like all the other characters I click on, or do I need new special shaders or something. Thanks

Nath

Luciel said:

PerttiA said:

Jabba said:

I don't have any renders to hand yet, but I really like Victoria 8.1...

...While she might at first appear a bit less glamorous than Victoria 8, she has a more typical everyday body shape that will lend itself much better to blending with other shape morphs for custom characters - it's always easier to add to small breasts than it is to reduce large breasts with the morphs we have - much less of an arch in her lower back, but a pinch in at the waist and she can be glammed-up in a thrice.

 

There might be a couple of things I would prefer to be different, but to get that sort of detail, I'd really need to improve my own sculpting skills and get stuck in myself - V8.1 is a step in the more versatile direction, which I see as a good thing.

I think she is also the first Victoria that's not 6 feet tall, which brings her closer to reality.

As some who's over "6 feet" tall, and has several female friends who are taller than me, how is being taller than whatever your local average not "reality". 

+1

(speaking as a female who is over "6 feet" tall...)

XpiderMan

Richard Haseltine said:

vrba79 said:

Now they're charging for incremental, slight upgrades? Nah, I'm good with Genesis 1 and 2.

The updates to Genesis 8.1 are free, additional content (such as Victoria 8.1 and the Velus hair) is new content, not tweaked old content.

I'm afraid I'll pass as well. Paying full price for a figure I already have just because it has some tweaks doesn't make sense. If this was pre-COVID-19, I would had fallen for it, but lately I've been more careful with my expenses. Sorry Daz. :(

MelissaGT

Richard Haseltine said:

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

Haha ok, so I bought yesterday's bundle for nothing, then. Oh well. Not submitting another ticket.  

Sevrin

XpiderMan said:

I'm afraid I'll pass as well. Paying full price for a figure I already have

Do what you like with your money, but the only thing Victoria 8 and Victoria 8.1 have in common is the name "Victoria". 

XpiderMan

I just hope Daz doesn't re-release existing G8 characters and could instead focus on new ones such as Callie 8.1, Scott 8.1, Giannia 8.1, etc. :)